saw this-
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...transfers/

The rule would be a nod more toward academics, requiring schools to commit a scholarship to the length of the pursuit of the graduate degree. In most cases, that's two years.

So player x goes to school y and is there for 1 year. School y unless player x gets his masters in 1 year has a dead scholarship the following year.....

I'd like to see a corollary to this rule. I'm all for rewarding students who do what they're supposed to do academically. Why not grant athletes who have completed their undergraduate degree in three years be granted a fifth year of eligibility? Then they could finish a master's degree while continuing to play. They would get that fifth year whether they stay at their original school or transfer somewhere else, or whether they had previously received a redshirt.

(04-05-2019 03:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  saw this-
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...transfers/

The rule would be a nod more toward academics, requiring schools to commit a scholarship to the length of the pursuit of the graduate degree. In most cases, that's two years.

So player x goes to school y and is there for 1 year. School y unless player x gets his masters in 1 year has a dead scholarship the following year.....

Great idea - an attempt to put the student back in student athlete

This is just one more reason to be cynical about the NCAA.

The idea for this rule was popularized by John Calipari.

Who has more one-and-done players than anyone else? Calipari.

So here we have a rule that will penalize any team with one-and-done graduate students, but won't penalize Calipari or Coach K or any other coach who makes his millions on the backs of one-and-done undergraduates.

(04-05-2019 04:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  This is just one more reason to be cynical about the NCAA.

The idea for this rule was popularized by John Calipari.

Who has more one-and-done players than anyone else? Calipari.

So here we have a rule that will penalize any team with one-and-done graduate students, but won't penalize Calipari or Coach K or any other coach who makes his millions on the backs of one-and-done undergraduates.

Calipari had a grad transfer this year.

(04-05-2019 04:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  This is just one more reason to be cynical about the NCAA.

The idea for this rule was popularized by John Calipari.

Who has more one-and-done players than anyone else? Calipari.

So here we have a rule that will penalize any team with one-and-done graduate students, but won't penalize Calipari or Coach K or any other coach who makes his millions on the backs of one-and-done undergraduates.

except that the one and dones are going away too....

basically will stop this crap free agency that is starting to ruin college basketball....

(04-05-2019 04:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 04:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  This is just one more reason to be cynical about the NCAA.

The idea for this rule was popularized by John Calipari.

Who has more one-and-done players than anyone else? Calipari.

So here we have a rule that will penalize any team with one-and-done graduate students, but won't penalize Calipari or Coach K or any other coach who makes his millions on the backs of one-and-done undergraduates.

Calipari had a grad transfer this year.

One grad transfer.

And an average of 2-3 one and dones each year he's been at Kentucky.

I get the intent but they’re basically penalizing players who graduate in four years

(04-05-2019 05:54 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  I get the intent but they’re basically penalizing players who graduate in four years

No, they're making it where the transfer is actually for academic purposes and not just for free agency in sports, which is exactly what it's become. A school can take you, but it actually has to be for academics and not just for sports. I know, a novel concept.

(04-05-2019 05:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 05:54 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  I get the intent but they’re basically penalizing players who graduate in four years

No, they're making it where the transfer is actually for academic purposes and not just for free agency in sports, which is exactly what it's become. A school can take you, but it actually has to be for academics and not just for sports. I know, a novel concept.

They may have the best of intentions, but it’s an bad rule and the net effect is going to be less opportunity for players. If you graduate you should be able to do whatever you want, just like coaches can.

(04-05-2019 05:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  not just for free agency in sports, which is exactly what it's become.

What you want is free agency for everyone except the athletes. Buzz Williams doesn't have to sit out a year before beginning to coach at Texas A&M, and no team is losing scholarships for it.

(04-05-2019 06:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 05:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  not just for free agency in sports, which is exactly what it's become.

What you want is free agency for everyone except the athletes. Buzz Williams doesn't have to sit out a year before beginning to coach at Texas A&M, and no team is losing scholarships for it.

Exactly.

To be honest I’m very hesitant about having “open season” for all transfers. But giving everyone the opportunity to grad transfer isn’t hurting anyone except mid major coaches who would themselves jump at an opportunity to get a power job

maybe call me old school, but transfers should be about academics.... This is what this is going to do. For those that are serious about getting their graduate degree, it's not going to impact them at all....

(04-05-2019 06:26 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 05:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 05:54 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  I get the intent but they’re basically penalizing players who graduate in four years

No, they're making it where the transfer is actually for academic purposes and not just for free agency in sports, which is exactly what it's become. A school can take you, but it actually has to be for academics and not just for sports. I know, a novel concept.

They may have the best of intentions, but it’s an bad rule and the net effect is going to be less opportunity for players. If you graduate you should be able to do whatever you want, just like coaches can.

If its about the students, then you give them a 2 year scholarship, but you don't count the 2nd year against the program.

(04-05-2019 09:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 06:26 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 05:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 05:54 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  I get the intent but they’re basically penalizing players who graduate in four years

No, they're making it where the transfer is actually for academic purposes and not just for free agency in sports, which is exactly what it's become. A school can take you, but it actually has to be for academics and not just for sports. I know, a novel concept.

They may have the best of intentions, but it’s an bad rule and the net effect is going to be less opportunity for players. If you graduate you should be able to do whatever you want, just like coaches can.

If its about the students, then you give them a 2 year scholarship, but you don't count the 2nd year against the program.

That is fine with me. Might be a good compromise.

(04-05-2019 09:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  If its about the students, then you give them a 2 year scholarship, but you don't count the 2nd year against the program.

^^This^^

Quote:"The percent that are actually gaining their degrees are rather small," said Justin Sell, the athletic director at South Dakota State. "There is the difficulty of trying to put something in place that doesn't negatively impact students that are using it for the right reason.

Based on this quote it seems like most transfers are not interested in a graduate degree anyway. If they are interested, as Bullet said, give them a 2nd year but don't punish the school for helping a student.

(04-05-2019 03:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  saw this-
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...transfers/

The rule would be a nod more toward academics, requiring schools to commit a scholarship to the length of the pursuit of the graduate degree. In most cases, that's two years.

So player x goes to school y and is there for 1 year. School y unless player x gets his masters in 1 year has a dead scholarship the following year.....

Sounds like a blatant attempt to limit a kids ability to transfer. If they are going to do that, then all undergrads who have not graduated by the end of their eligibility should continue to tie up a scholarship for one extra year. If this was about academic—-where is that proposal?

(04-06-2019 09:54 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 09:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  If its about the students, then you give them a 2 year scholarship, but you don't count the 2nd year against the program.

^^This^^

Quote:"The percent that are actually gaining their degrees are rather small," said Justin Sell, the athletic director at South Dakota State. "There is the difficulty of trying to put something in place that doesn't negatively impact students that are using it for the right reason.

Based on this quote it seems like most transfers are not interested in a graduate degree anyway. If they are interested, as Bullet said, give them a 2nd year but don't punish the school for helping a student.

In many ways, that would be similar to redshirting. 5 years to get 4 years of eligibility. 2 years to apply 1 year of eligibility. Its just that the "redshirt" would be after eligibility ended.

And there are a lot of 30 hour master programs, which could be completed in a calendar year.

Calipari wants to punish young men who graduate when the majority of his players don’t finish their freshman year. Anyone that thinks Calipari cares anything about the game is a Kentucky fan or naive.