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(04-04-2019 11:38 AM)Claw Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:20 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  why is trump so afraid of releasing his tax returns. We all know the auditing reason is BS. Why is he scared?

He isn't only protecting himself, he is protecting every person and business entity that might be connected in any way to his returns.

Once the Democrats started attacking his personal lawyer and close associates, they forever removed any chance of Trump ever willingly releasing his tax returns. He is not going to open all of his businesses and associates to that kind of attack.

I don't blame him.

I suspect he will refuse to do this and it will go to court. Even the House has no right to illegal search and seizure without due process. Ultimately he will win unless the House has some actual probable cause.

You have to be joking, right?

But no, he won't win. The chair has the authority to request the tax information. He does not however have the right to make any of that information public.
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(04-04-2019 11:41 AM)TTT Wrote:  Dems didn't like the outcome to Mueller's Report, so they are back to his tax returns. It'll never end. Sour grapes. The Democratic Party is a giant salt mine. So salty.

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(04-04-2019 10:48 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The thing is that the Dems want to do the job that the Republicans refused to do. Everybody knew that Trump did business with the Russians including a Russian mob who bought residence in Trump Tower. The Russians dirty money gets laundered through other people. Trump is one of their choices to do this thing. Trump accepted dirty money which is illegal. He should check the background of people before making deals with them.

None of this would show up on a tax return.
The IRS is perfectly within its rights to report any activity like you describe if they see it

(04-04-2019 11:31 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:20 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  why is trump so afraid of releasing his tax returns. We all know the auditing reason is BS. Why is he scared?

The answer is simple. He’s isn’t scared. He just knows his opposition. They are scrambling for anything to turn into a talking point. That is why they want his returns. It will be;
1. He didn’t pay enough.
2. He used tax shelters.
3. He’s not as/more rich than he claims.
4. Etc., etc., etc.

Also as I’ve stated before, one IRS agent can tell you your return is fine and another will pop you with a fine and penalties. The tax laws are there for power and the ones who wrote them know better than anyone.

This.

I'm far more interested (which still isn't much at all) in the actions taken by the people who WROTE the tax law who then TAKE ADVANTAGE of it than I am in those who didn't.

How was Enron caught? It wasn't through Congress... and CERTAINLY not through public disclosure. The public, including the investment public missed it entirely
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(04-04-2019 12:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:38 AM)Claw Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:20 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  why is trump so afraid of releasing his tax returns. We all know the auditing reason is BS. Why is he scared?

He isn't only protecting himself, he is protecting every person and business entity that might be connected in any way to his returns.

Once the Democrats started attacking his personal lawyer and close associates, they forever removed any chance of Trump ever willingly releasing his tax returns. He is not going to open all of his businesses and associates to that kind of attack.

I don't blame him.

I suspect he will refuse to do this and it will go to court. Even the House has no right to illegal search and seizure without due process. Ultimately he will win unless the House has some actual probable cause.

You have to be joking, right?

But no, he won't win. The chair has the authority to request the tax information. He does not however have the right to make any of that information public.

So you say the 4th amendment doesn’t apply? Please explain why?
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(04-04-2019 12:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:38 AM)Claw Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:20 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  why is trump so afraid of releasing his tax returns. We all know the auditing reason is BS. Why is he scared?

He isn't only protecting himself, he is protecting every person and business entity that might be connected in any way to his returns.

Once the Democrats started attacking his personal lawyer and close associates, they forever removed any chance of Trump ever willingly releasing his tax returns. He is not going to open all of his businesses and associates to that kind of attack.

I don't blame him.

I suspect he will refuse to do this and it will go to court. Even the House has no right to illegal search and seizure without due process. Ultimately he will win unless the House has some actual probable cause.

You have to be joking, right?

But no, he won't win. The chair has the authority to request the tax information. He does not however have the right to make any of that information public.

What do you think is a joke? The highlighted portion?

I have no idea what Trump would do, but I hardly find it laughable that someone thinks he would fight it.

If the chair has the right to request it, but not the right to make the information public, why would there need to be a public announcement of such a request/why would Trump be ASKED to release it?

I think it pretty arguable that by announcing this, he's already violated the private nature of such things.
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(04-04-2019 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:41 AM)TTT Wrote:  Dems didn't like the outcome to Mueller's Report, so they are back to his tax returns. It'll never end. Sour grapes. The Democratic Party is a giant salt mine. So salty.

We.
Haven't.
Seen.
The.
Mueller.
Report.
YET!

wtfe.....do you really think any sane person cares about the witch hunt....

and don't forget, I coined that one before the Donald....

where the fk do you think it came from....

query it if you don't believe me...

you actually think we care about 'muh'....
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(04-04-2019 12:42 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 12:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:38 AM)Claw Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:20 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  why is trump so afraid of releasing his tax returns. We all know the auditing reason is BS. Why is he scared?

He isn't only protecting himself, he is protecting every person and business entity that might be connected in any way to his returns.

Once the Democrats started attacking his personal lawyer and close associates, they forever removed any chance of Trump ever willingly releasing his tax returns. He is not going to open all of his businesses and associates to that kind of attack.

I don't blame him.

I suspect he will refuse to do this and it will go to court. Even the House has no right to illegal search and seizure without due process. Ultimately he will win unless the House has some actual probable cause.

You have to be joking, right?

But no, he won't win. The chair has the authority to request the tax information. He does not however have the right to make any of that information public.

What do you think is a joke? The highlighted portion?

I have no idea what Trump would do, but I hardly find it laughable that someone thinks he would fight it.

If the chair has the right to request it, but not the right to make the information public, why would there need to be a public announcement of such a request/why would Trump be ASKED to release it?

I think it pretty arguable that by announcing this, he's already violated the private nature of such things.


IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY TO DO IT!
What part of this does even the most political person here not get?
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(04-04-2019 12:42 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 12:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:38 AM)Claw Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:20 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  why is trump so afraid of releasing his tax returns. We all know the auditing reason is BS. Why is he scared?

He isn't only protecting himself, he is protecting every person and business entity that might be connected in any way to his returns.

Once the Democrats started attacking his personal lawyer and close associates, they forever removed any chance of Trump ever willingly releasing his tax returns. He is not going to open all of his businesses and associates to that kind of attack.

I don't blame him.

I suspect he will refuse to do this and it will go to court. Even the House has no right to illegal search and seizure without due process. Ultimately he will win unless the House has some actual probable cause.

You have to be joking, right?

But no, he won't win. The chair has the authority to request the tax information. He does not however have the right to make any of that information public.

What do you think is a joke? The highlighted portion?

Yes...the willingly portion. He was N E V E R going to release them. He gains nothing from it. And he's clearly not concerned about honesty.
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(04-04-2019 12:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 12:42 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 12:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:38 AM)Claw Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:20 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  why is trump so afraid of releasing his tax returns. We all know the auditing reason is BS. Why is he scared?

He isn't only protecting himself, he is protecting every person and business entity that might be connected in any way to his returns.

Once the Democrats started attacking his personal lawyer and close associates, they forever removed any chance of Trump ever willingly releasing his tax returns. He is not going to open all of his businesses and associates to that kind of attack.

I don't blame him.

I suspect he will refuse to do this and it will go to court. Even the House has no right to illegal search and seizure without due process. Ultimately he will win unless the House has some actual probable cause.

You have to be joking, right?

But no, he won't win. The chair has the authority to request the tax information. He does not however have the right to make any of that information public.

What do you think is a joke? The highlighted portion?

Yes...the willingly portion. He was N E V E R going to release them. He gains nothing from it. And he's clearly not concerned about honesty.

and the point would be>>>???

did you wake up and take too many blue pills this a.m.?
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(04-04-2019 12:49 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY TO DO IT!
What part of this does even the most political person here not get?

I haven't read the statute so I don't know the authority under which the committee chair has this authority, but I seriously doubt it's a criminal activity. If there were evidence of criminal activity, ALL SORTS of jurisdictions (including at least the entire committee) would have the ability to see the records.

ETA... I believe that absent some reasonable expectation of finding something, a judge might rule that the chair is no longer entitled to see the records because he's signaled an inappropriate reason for the request. Had he said nothing, that argument would have failed.

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(04-04-2019 12:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  What do you think is a joke? The highlighted portion?

Yes...the willingly portion. He was N E V E R going to release them. He gains nothing from it. And he's clearly not concerned about honesty.

To part one... okay... seems a silly retort though... He wasn't being asked to release them... but now knowing that they plan to request them, I suspect he has some grounds and would fight to keep them from seeing them anyway. He may or may not lose... but if they never mentioned it, he'd never be able to fight it. I don't think someone thinking there was a snowball's chance in hell to no chance at all is so far away from your opinion as to be noteworthy, but whatever. Now they've probably got a fight for something there wouldn't have been a fight over previously (like a FISA warrant before it's issued)

As to concern about honesty.... I expect more out of someone who routinely claims not to be a Democrat. It wouldn't be for the public NOR the head of this committee to determine the 'honesty' of his return. He has very reasonable and honest grounds for not wanting to release his records. The same as when Obama didn't release his grades. They are by law, not public information. HONESTY (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with it. At least unlike Obama, he never claimed to be putting forth the most transparent office ever. Obama was under no obligation to release his school records... but don't claim to be 'the most transparent ever' and then decline some really fairly meaningless requests for transparency.

If you want to question his transparency, that would be valid... but I think you'll find that the left would have issues no matter WHAT he did. Oh look, he released them, what a liar... Oh look he didn't, what a liar... and the right doesn't care about them.
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(04-04-2019 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:41 AM)TTT Wrote:  Dems didn't like the outcome to Mueller's Report, so they are back to his tax returns. It'll never end. Sour grapes. The Democratic Party is a giant salt mine. So salty.

We.
Haven't.
Seen.
The.
Mueller.
Report.
YET!

True. But we know enough that Trump didn't collude...and for some insanely odd reason that pisses off Dems.

Look, I (along w/ Trump and pretty much most of America) are in agreeance that they should release the report, or at least as much as they can...but you and I know the FULL report will never be released, EVER. So take whatever ideologically possessed conspiracy theories you may have and go live on an island w/ the rest of the 9/11 truthers, flat-earthers, and fake-moon landing truthers.

I'll just post what I posted in my other thread:

The more I research this all the more I realize that the full unredacted report will never be released and the Dems KNOW it! Why? Because there is confidential information regarding THOUSANDS of completely innocent US citizens in there who did not get any indictments. It can't be done. The 4TH AMENDMENT BARS THEM FROM DOING SO! DUH! The public cannot know intimate personal details about the subject of an investigation that was never actually charged with ANYTHING. It would be a gross miscarriage of justice and totally unconstitutional. If Barr were to OK such a thing, he would not be the AG for very long...because both Dem/Rep's would come down on his head. The "we want the full report released" cry is just a political trap. And Those on the left and right know this. This is all to try to get Trump/Barr and all these others to circle the wagons. DJT made fun of this whole ridiculous investigation for 2 years because he KNEW this report would exonerate him while simultaneously rallying his audience/supporters by saying it was a witchhunt (which it clearly was). I mean, what significant crimes were found other than Manafort laundering money 10 years ago, having nothing to do with Russia (other than the Ukranian group having ties to Russia) which BTW also involved the Podesta Group which is something you never hear MSM talk about....hmmm, I wonder why?

This whole thing is insane. 30 million bucks, diverting enormous agency resources to violating 4th amendment rights of thousands of US citizens on a hunch based on a FISA warrant that was improperly issued, signed off by a deupty AG who claims he didn't even READ the FISA report...AND mind you all this based on a op-research document that was politically motivated and apparently someone along the way took it seriously enough to give to the FBI. It's wonderful to know that this is how the intel agencies and the judiciary actually operate in this country.
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Trump will refuse to turn them over. The reason, who knows. It won't matter. He will refuse.

It will go to the courts.

By the time anything happens the next election will be over.
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(04-04-2019 01:41 PM)Claw Wrote:  Trump will refuse to turn them over. The reason, who knows. It won't matter. He will refuse.

It will go to the courts.

By the time anything happens the next election will be over.

the reason is simple....it would be another hatchet whackjobber....

is that what it's come to....

it's pretty dayum simple...

ol' boy changed the game....or have you not realized that at this point....

there is nothing sane about how the two parties are playing together these days....

this is the fk'n battle...
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(04-04-2019 01:27 PM)TTT Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:41 AM)TTT Wrote:  Dems didn't like the outcome to Mueller's Report, so they are back to his tax returns. It'll never end. Sour grapes. The Democratic Party is a giant salt mine. So salty.

We.
Haven't.
Seen.
The.
Mueller.
Report.
YET!

True. But we know enough that Trump didn't collude...and for some insanely odd reason that pisses off Dems.

Look, I (along w/ Trump and pretty much most of America) are in agreeance that they should release the report, or at least as much as they can...but you and I know the FULL report will never be released, EVER. So take whatever ideologically possessed conspiracy theories you may have and go live on an island w/ the rest of the 9/11 truthers, flat-earthers, and fake-moon landing truthers.

I'll just post what I posted in my other thread:

The more I research this all the more I realize that the full unredacted report will never be released and the Dems KNOW it! Why? Because there is confidential information regarding THOUSANDS of completely innocent US citizens in there who did not get any indictments. It can't be done. The 4TH AMENDMENT BARS THEM FROM DOING SO! DUH! The public cannot know intimate personal details about the subject of an investigation that was never actually charged with ANYTHING. It would be a gross miscarriage of justice and totally unconstitutional. If Barr were to OK such a thing, he would not be the AG for very long...because both Dem/Rep's would come down on his head. The "we want the full report released" cry is just a political trap. And Those on the left and right know this. This is all to try to get Trump/Barr and all these others to circle the wagons. DJT made fun of this whole ridiculous investigation for 2 years because he KNEW this report would exonerate him while simultaneously rallying his audience/supporters by saying it was a witchhunt (which it clearly was). I mean, what significant crimes were found other than Manafort laundering money 10 years ago, having nothing to do with Russia (other than the Ukranian group having ties to Russia) which BTW also involved the Podesta Group which is something you never hear MSM talk about....hmmm, I wonder why?

This whole thing is insane. 30 million bucks, diverting enormous agency resources to violating 4th amendment rights of thousands of US citizens on a hunch based on a FISA warrant that was improperly issued, signed off by a deupty AG who claims he didn't even READ the FISA report...AND mind you all this based on a op-research document that was politically motivated and apparently someone along the way took it seriously enough to give to the FBI. It's wonderful to know that this is how the intel agencies and the judiciary actually operate in this country.

No. We don't.

And don't get hung up with cost of the thing.
Yes, the Mueller investigation is costly. But the millions seized from Manafort have it on track to break even
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(04-04-2019 01:24 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 12:49 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY TO DO IT!
What part of this does even the most political person here not get?

I haven't read the statute so I don't know the authority under which the committee chair has this authority, but I seriously doubt it's a criminal activity. If there were evidence of criminal activity, ALL SORTS of jurisdictions (including at least the entire committee) would have the ability to see the records.

ETA... I believe that absent some reasonable expectation of finding something, a judge might rule that the chair is no longer entitled to see the records because he's signaled an inappropriate reason for the request. Had he said nothing, that argument would have failed.

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(04-04-2019 12:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  What do you think is a joke? The highlighted portion?

Yes...the willingly portion. He was N E V E R going to release them. He gains nothing from it. And he's clearly not concerned about honesty.

To part one... okay... seems a silly retort though... He wasn't being asked to release them... but now knowing that they plan to request them, I suspect he has some grounds and would fight to keep them from seeing them anyway. He may or may not lose... but if they never mentioned it, he'd never be able to fight it. I don't think someone thinking there was a snowball's chance in hell to no chance at all is so far away from your opinion as to be noteworthy, but whatever. Now they've probably got a fight for something there wouldn't have been a fight over previously (like a FISA warrant before it's issued)

As to concern about honesty.... I expect more out of someone who routinely claims not to be a Democrat. It wouldn't be for the public NOR the head of this committee to determine the 'honesty' of his return. He has very reasonable and honest grounds for not wanting to release his records. The same as when Obama didn't release his grades. They are by law, not public information. HONESTY (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with it. At least unlike Obama, he never claimed to be putting forth the most transparent office ever. Obama was under no obligation to release his school records... but don't claim to be 'the most transparent ever' and then decline some really fairly meaningless requests for transparency.

If you want to question his transparency, that would be valid... but I think you'll find that the left would have issues no matter WHAT he did. Oh look, he released them, what a liar... Oh look he didn't, what a liar... and the right doesn't care about them.

1. He's been asked my scores of folks for years now to release his tax returns. But yes, there is no requirement to do so.
2. I'm not talking about the honesty of his tax filings. I'm talking about a guy who lies about everything...so I don't trust him to ever honor his pledge to release them as soon as this "routine audit" is over.
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(04-04-2019 01:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 01:24 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 12:49 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY TO DO IT!
What part of this does even the most political person here not get?

I haven't read the statute so I don't know the authority under which the committee chair has this authority, but I seriously doubt it's a criminal activity. If there were evidence of criminal activity, ALL SORTS of jurisdictions (including at least the entire committee) would have the ability to see the records.

ETA... I believe that absent some reasonable expectation of finding something, a judge might rule that the chair is no longer entitled to see the records because he's signaled an inappropriate reason for the request. Had he said nothing, that argument would have failed.

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(04-04-2019 12:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  What do you think is a joke? The highlighted portion?

Yes...the willingly portion. He was N E V E R going to release them. He gains nothing from it. And he's clearly not concerned about honesty.

To part one... okay... seems a silly retort though... He wasn't being asked to release them... but now knowing that they plan to request them, I suspect he has some grounds and would fight to keep them from seeing them anyway. He may or may not lose... but if they never mentioned it, he'd never be able to fight it. I don't think someone thinking there was a snowball's chance in hell to no chance at all is so far away from your opinion as to be noteworthy, but whatever. Now they've probably got a fight for something there wouldn't have been a fight over previously (like a FISA warrant before it's issued)

As to concern about honesty.... I expect more out of someone who routinely claims not to be a Democrat. It wouldn't be for the public NOR the head of this committee to determine the 'honesty' of his return. He has very reasonable and honest grounds for not wanting to release his records. The same as when Obama didn't release his grades. They are by law, not public information. HONESTY (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with it. At least unlike Obama, he never claimed to be putting forth the most transparent office ever. Obama was under no obligation to release his school records... but don't claim to be 'the most transparent ever' and then decline some really fairly meaningless requests for transparency.

If you want to question his transparency, that would be valid... but I think you'll find that the left would have issues no matter WHAT he did. Oh look, he released them, what a liar... Oh look he didn't, what a liar... and the right doesn't care about them.

1. He's been asked my scores of folks for years now to release his tax returns. But yes, there is no requirement to do so.
2. I'm not talking about the honesty of his tax filings. I'm talking about a guy who lies about everything...so I don't trust him to ever honor his pledge to release them as soon as this "routine audit" is over.

1. again, what's your point other Rx bendover
2. again, what's your point relative to politics

it's like you woke up in a 5 yr. old body w/o a clue...

see, I don't care if you respond......you know I'll roast your nuts over an open fire...

stink doesn't play nice when it comes to line 4....
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RE: Dems weaponize the IRS.....again
This whole episode of American politics is not good. It’s a moment of shame for all intellectually honest people of both parties.

All one has to do is step back and ask ones self, is this (the confiscation of personal property without a warrant to look for dirt on a political opponent) a good precedent to be setting for either party? I can’t imagine a sane person answering yes.
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RE: Dems weaponize the IRS.....again
(04-04-2019 01:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  No. We don't.

This is only true if you accept that Comey's decision to not prosecute Hillary was at least, and likely even MORE of a cover-up (since the summary admitted they had plenty of evidence, just not enough evidence of INTENT) and of course, the dems have already floated the idea that Trump didn't intend to collude but that he still did.

The trouble is, if you believe the above, then there is nothing short of a line in a completely unredacted report (which could never happen) saying 'the president and none of his people did anything at all' which of course, is not how such reports are or ever would be written that would convince you.

So why bother?

That just puts you with what is IMO the fringe right, and not anything remotely resembling the centrist you often claim to be

(04-04-2019 01:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  1. He's been asked my scores of folks for years now to release his tax returns. But yes, there is no requirement to do so.
2. I'm not talking about the honesty of his tax filings. I'm talking about a guy who lies about everything...so I don't trust him to ever honor his pledge to release them as soon as this "routine audit" is over.

The first part is no more meaningful than the scores of folks who asked Obama (or Bush) to release his grades. This is another of those items brought up to give the appearance of 'weight' because a claim lacks 'substance'.

as to part two... I don't recall him EVER saying, I will as soon as the audit is done. I pretty clearly recall an audit being done as part of the reason for no release, but that isn't the same thing. I don't know if Trump ever said that or not. But again, if it's not a requirement... why wouldn't he be allowed to change his mind? We're three years now into a witch hunt. If I were Trump, I wouldn't let people have ANYTHING I didn't have to give them, even if I HAD previously agreed to. It's not a lie to change your mind.
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RE: Dems weaponize the IRS.....again
(04-04-2019 01:45 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 01:41 PM)Claw Wrote:  Trump will refuse to turn them over. The reason, who knows. It won't matter. He will refuse.

It will go to the courts.

By the time anything happens the next election will be over.

the reason is simple....it would be another hatchet whackjobber....

is that what it's come to....

it's pretty dayum simple...

ol' boy changed the game....or have you not realized that at this point....

there is nothing sane about how the two parties are playing together these days....

this is the fk'n battle...

And he fights back. Glorious. Simply glorious.
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RE: Dems weaponize the IRS.....again
(04-04-2019 01:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 01:24 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 12:49 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY TO DO IT!
What part of this does even the most political person here not get?

I haven't read the statute so I don't know the authority under which the committee chair has this authority, but I seriously doubt it's a criminal activity. If there were evidence of criminal activity, ALL SORTS of jurisdictions (including at least the entire committee) would have the ability to see the records.

ETA... I believe that absent some reasonable expectation of finding something, a judge might rule that the chair is no longer entitled to see the records because he's signaled an inappropriate reason for the request. Had he said nothing, that argument would have failed.

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(04-04-2019 12:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  What do you think is a joke? The highlighted portion?

Yes...the willingly portion. He was N E V E R going to release them. He gains nothing from it. And he's clearly not concerned about honesty.

To part one... okay... seems a silly retort though... He wasn't being asked to release them... but now knowing that they plan to request them, I suspect he has some grounds and would fight to keep them from seeing them anyway. He may or may not lose... but if they never mentioned it, he'd never be able to fight it. I don't think someone thinking there was a snowball's chance in hell to no chance at all is so far away from your opinion as to be noteworthy, but whatever. Now they've probably got a fight for something there wouldn't have been a fight over previously (like a FISA warrant before it's issued)

As to concern about honesty.... I expect more out of someone who routinely claims not to be a Democrat. It wouldn't be for the public NOR the head of this committee to determine the 'honesty' of his return. He has very reasonable and honest grounds for not wanting to release his records. The same as when Obama didn't release his grades. They are by law, not public information. HONESTY (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with it. At least unlike Obama, he never claimed to be putting forth the most transparent office ever. Obama was under no obligation to release his school records... but don't claim to be 'the most transparent ever' and then decline some really fairly meaningless requests for transparency.

If you want to question his transparency, that would be valid... but I think you'll find that the left would have issues no matter WHAT he did. Oh look, he released them, what a liar... Oh look he didn't, what a liar... and the right doesn't care about them.

1. He's been asked my scores of folks for years now to release his tax returns. But yes, there is no requirement to do so.
2. I'm not talking about the honesty of his tax filings. I'm talking about a guy who lies about everything...so I don't trust him to ever honor his pledge to release them as soon as this "routine audit" is over.

Nobody with half a brain would release them to the rabid, nutty pack animals known as the Democrats in Congress.
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