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Posted by Syracuse fan TexasMark in the College Sports forum, revenue leaders in hoops from 2017-18. XU makes the cut for the top 55 teams, no UC.

(04-02-2019 10:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Louisville and Cuse are the two most profitable teams. Syracuse profited over $17M from Men's Hoops and only Louisville was larger.

Here is the ranked order list of the gross revenue (not net profit) of the largest schools.

Here is a look at the 55 schools in the country that generate the most from college basketball, according to the numbers they supply to the federal government.

Louisville $43,134,625
Duke $36,412,223
Syracuse $31,772,639
Kentucky $30,743,306
Illinois $25,130,930
Indiana $25,086,839
North Carolina $24,660,258
Ohio State $24,056,371
Arizona $22,830,561
Wisconsin $22,438,795
Michigan State $21,882,125
Michigan $20,027,574
Marquette $19,668,714
Northwestern $19,562,252
Nebraska $19,340,390
Kansas $18,802,173
Texas $18,495,410
Villanova $17,605,994
Minnesota $17,454,711
Florida State $17,304,819
Arkansas $17,275,988
Texas Christian $16,239,880
North Carolina State $16,100,635
Tennessee $15,978,734
Alabama $15,298,808
Gonzaga $14,723,219
Dayton 14,201,764
Maryland $14,157,452
Iowa State $13,956,343
Missouri $13,772,989
Oklahoma $13,473,566
Virginia $13,468,010
Virginia Tech $13,410,392
Xavier $13,060,660
Georgetown $12,849,462
Oklahoma State $12,438,667
Pittsburgh $12,102,078
Memphis $11,859,500
Florida $11,460,512
Oregon $11,384,188
UCLA $11,325,876
Clemson $11,280,040
Auburn $11,214,964
South Carolina $11,112,728
Penn State $10,949,652
Iowa $10,828,407
Providence $10,768,267
Mississippi $10,572,245
Georgia $10,252,418
Washington $10,226,399
Purdue University $9,891,222
Texas Tech $9,889,275
Utah $9,754,858
Vanderbilt $9,739,474
Texas A & M $9,225,600


BTW, where is UConn? Have they fallen that much?

(04-03-2019 07:17 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Posted by Syracuse fan TexasMark in the College Sports forum, revenue leaders in hoops from 2017-18. XU makes the cut for the top 55 teams, no UC.

(04-02-2019 10:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Louisville and Cuse are the two most profitable teams. Syracuse profited over $17M from Men's Hoops and only Louisville was larger.

Here is the ranked order list of the gross revenue (not net profit) of the largest schools.

Here is a look at the 55 schools in the country that generate the most from college basketball, according to the numbers they supply to the federal government.

Louisville $43,134,625
Duke $36,412,223
Syracuse $31,772,639
Kentucky $30,743,306
Illinois $25,130,930
Indiana $25,086,839
North Carolina $24,660,258
Ohio State $24,056,371
Arizona $22,830,561
Wisconsin $22,438,795
Michigan State $21,882,125
Michigan $20,027,574
Marquette $19,668,714
Northwestern $19,562,252
Nebraska $19,340,390
Kansas $18,802,173
Texas $18,495,410
Villanova $17,605,994
Minnesota $17,454,711
Florida State $17,304,819
Arkansas $17,275,988
Texas Christian $16,239,880
North Carolina State $16,100,635
Tennessee $15,978,734
Alabama $15,298,808
Gonzaga $14,723,219
Dayton 14,201,764
Maryland $14,157,452
Iowa State $13,956,343
Missouri $13,772,989
Oklahoma $13,473,566
Virginia $13,468,010
Virginia Tech $13,410,392
Xavier $13,060,660
Georgetown $12,849,462
Oklahoma State $12,438,667
Pittsburgh $12,102,078
Memphis $11,859,500
Florida $11,460,512
Oregon $11,384,188
UCLA $11,325,876
Clemson $11,280,040
Auburn $11,214,964
South Carolina $11,112,728
Penn State $10,949,652
Iowa $10,828,407
Providence $10,768,267
Mississippi $10,572,245
Georgia $10,252,418
Washington $10,226,399
Purdue University $9,891,222
Texas Tech $9,889,275
Utah $9,754,858
Vanderbilt $9,739,474
Texas A & M $9,225,600


BTW, where is UConn? Have they fallen that much?

Uconns athletic department reported a 40M deficit

(04-03-2019 07:17 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Posted by Syracuse fan TexasMark in the College Sports forum, revenue leaders in hoops from 2017-18. XU makes the cut for the top 55 teams, no UC.

(04-02-2019 10:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Louisville and Cuse are the two most profitable teams. Syracuse profited over $17M from Men's Hoops and only Louisville was larger.

Here is the ranked order list of the gross revenue (not net profit) of the largest schools.

Here is a look at the 55 schools in the country that generate the most from college basketball, according to the numbers they supply to the federal government.

Louisville $43,134,625
Duke $36,412,223
Syracuse $31,772,639
Kentucky $30,743,306
Illinois $25,130,930
Indiana $25,086,839
North Carolina $24,660,258
Ohio State $24,056,371
Arizona $22,830,561
Wisconsin $22,438,795
Michigan State $21,882,125
Michigan $20,027,574
Marquette $19,668,714
Northwestern $19,562,252
Nebraska $19,340,390
Kansas $18,802,173
Texas $18,495,410
Villanova $17,605,994
Minnesota $17,454,711
Florida State $17,304,819
Arkansas $17,275,988
Texas Christian $16,239,880
North Carolina State $16,100,635
Tennessee $15,978,734
Alabama $15,298,808
Gonzaga $14,723,219
Dayton 14,201,764
Maryland $14,157,452
Iowa State $13,956,343
Missouri $13,772,989
Oklahoma $13,473,566
Virginia $13,468,010
Virginia Tech $13,410,392
Xavier $13,060,660
Georgetown $12,849,462
Oklahoma State $12,438,667
Pittsburgh $12,102,078
Memphis $11,859,500
Florida $11,460,512
Oregon $11,384,188
UCLA $11,325,876
Clemson $11,280,040
Auburn $11,214,964
South Carolina $11,112,728
Penn State $10,949,652
Iowa $10,828,407
Providence $10,768,267
Mississippi $10,572,245
Georgia $10,252,418
Washington $10,226,399
Purdue University $9,891,222
Texas Tech $9,889,275
Utah $9,754,858
Vanderbilt $9,739,474
Texas A & M $9,225,600


BTW, where is UConn? Have they fallen that much?

17-18 was a weird year as far as basketball revenue is concerned with us being in a different venue that didn't allow us to collect parking, concessions, and full ticket revenue (as well as charging us rent), so this is certainly not the norm. I'd expect us to be back up in the Top 40 or so this year.

Agree 17-18 was not the norm given the 5/3rd re-do and the fact we had to rent from NKU. As a reference though, here is an article from 2015 that puts our CBB revenue generation at $6.9M. I imagine with the additional premium seating options at the new arena with more concession options we should be able to generate higher receipts.

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2018/6/1...-mid-major

(04-03-2019 07:20 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 07:17 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Posted by Syracuse fan TexasMark in the College Sports forum, revenue leaders in hoops from 2017-18. XU makes the cut for the top 55 teams, no UC.

(04-02-2019 10:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Louisville and Cuse are the two most profitable teams. Syracuse profited over $17M from Men's Hoops and only Louisville was larger.

Here is the ranked order list of the gross revenue (not net profit) of the largest schools.

Here is a look at the 55 schools in the country that generate the most from college basketball, according to the numbers they supply to the federal government.

Louisville $43,134,625
Duke $36,412,223
Syracuse $31,772,639
Kentucky $30,743,306
Illinois $25,130,930
Indiana $25,086,839
North Carolina $24,660,258
Ohio State $24,056,371
Arizona $22,830,561
Wisconsin $22,438,795
Michigan State $21,882,125
Michigan $20,027,574
Marquette $19,668,714
Northwestern $19,562,252
Nebraska $19,340,390
Kansas $18,802,173
Texas $18,495,410
Villanova $17,605,994
Minnesota $17,454,711
Florida State $17,304,819
Arkansas $17,275,988
Texas Christian $16,239,880
North Carolina State $16,100,635
Tennessee $15,978,734
Alabama $15,298,808
Gonzaga $14,723,219
Dayton 14,201,764
Maryland $14,157,452
Iowa State $13,956,343
Missouri $13,772,989
Oklahoma $13,473,566
Virginia $13,468,010
Virginia Tech $13,410,392
Xavier $13,060,660
Georgetown $12,849,462
Oklahoma State $12,438,667
Pittsburgh $12,102,078
Memphis $11,859,500
Florida $11,460,512
Oregon $11,384,188
UCLA $11,325,876
Clemson $11,280,040
Auburn $11,214,964
South Carolina $11,112,728
Penn State $10,949,652
Iowa $10,828,407
Providence $10,768,267
Mississippi $10,572,245
Georgia $10,252,418
Washington $10,226,399
Purdue University $9,891,222
Texas Tech $9,889,275
Utah $9,754,858
Vanderbilt $9,739,474
Texas A & M $9,225,600


BTW, where is UConn? Have they fallen that much?

Uconns athletic department reported a 40M deficit

This is just revenue though.

Look at Dayton! They destroy UC in basketball revenue. That's crazy.

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I wonder how they determine revenue. For example does the donation to UCats count as basketball revenue or just the actual "ticket cost". My assumption would be all the donations are not counted.

eh maybe Cronin doesn't have as much to work with as i thought....

Maybe he really is getting blood from a stone.

(04-03-2019 10:12 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  eh maybe Cronin doesn't have as much to work with as i thought....

Maybe he really is getting blood from a stone.

By the same token this validates the university's position that they can only give Mick a modest pay raise (the functional pay cut according to Mike DeCourcey).

As I posted earlier, I think our revenue numbers will go up with the new arena and amenities.

(04-03-2019 10:19 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 10:12 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  eh maybe Cronin doesn't have as much to work with as i thought....

Maybe he really is getting blood from a stone.

By the same token this validates the university's position that they can only give Mick a modest pay raise (the functional pay cut according to Mike DeCourcey).

As I posted earlier, I think our revenue numbers will go up with the new arena and amenities.

I hope so. Seeing Dayton, Providence and the like on the list ahead of us is just inexcusable.

(04-03-2019 10:24 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 10:19 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 10:12 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  eh maybe Cronin doesn't have as much to work with as i thought....

Maybe he really is getting blood from a stone.

By the same token this validates the university's position that they can only give Mick a modest pay raise (the functional pay cut according to Mike DeCourcey).

As I posted earlier, I think our revenue numbers will go up with the new arena and amenities.

I hope so. Seeing Dayton, Providence and the like on the list ahead of us is just inexcusable.

Its apples to oranges. Those schools don't have football, so nearly every dollar goes to hoops. The biggest events on those campuses are the basketball games, whereas at UC we have football and basketball dollars coming in.

(04-03-2019 09:54 AM)mlb Wrote:  Look at Dayton! They destroy UC in basketball revenue. That's crazy.

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This basically speaks to how desperately needed the 5/3rd arena renovations were, given that Dayton is so high on that list.

As others have stated, 2017-18 data is skewed by the fact that UC spent their entire season at NKU. However, I'd be very curious as to how much revenue the basketball team pulled in this past season with the new video and ribbon boards (for ads), club seats, loge boxes, and suites. Scanning that list, pretty much every one of those programs have all or a combination of those extra revenue sources, which was missing from UC for far too long.

No doubt in my mind Cincinnati has a spot in that list if this report is ran this time next year.

(04-03-2019 10:12 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  eh maybe Cronin doesn't have as much to work with as i thought....

Maybe he really is getting blood from a stone.

Or maybe the product he is putting out there isn't worthy of generating tons of revenue. This can be a cyclical argument.

(04-03-2019 10:45 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 10:12 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  eh maybe Cronin doesn't have as much to work with as i thought....

Maybe he really is getting blood from a stone.

Or maybe the product he is putting out there isn't worthy of generating tons of revenue. This can be a cyclical argument.

He hasn't grown the program as Huggins did. I'm not talking about on-court performance, but rather demand for tickets, TV ratings, merchandise sales, etc. Cronin doesn't have the strong personality that would stamp the program and stand out in a pro town.

(04-03-2019 10:45 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 10:12 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  eh maybe Cronin doesn't have as much to work with as i thought....

Maybe he really is getting blood from a stone.

Or maybe the product he is putting out there isn't worthy of generating tons of revenue. This can be a cyclical argument.

LOL, I've never heard of someone supporting their argument by calling it circular.

Where does a basketball program's revenue come from? TV deals are done by the conference, so UC doesn't have much control there. Is it just attendance and concessions and, like, clothing sales?

I was surprised and impressed with attendance this year. Maybe it was just the renovated arena. Guess we'll see next year.

(04-03-2019 10:51 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 10:45 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 10:12 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  eh maybe Cronin doesn't have as much to work with as i thought....

Maybe he really is getting blood from a stone.

Or maybe the product he is putting out there isn't worthy of generating tons of revenue. This can be a cyclical argument.

He hasn't grown the program as Huggins did. I'm not talking about on-court performance, but rather demand for tickets, TV ratings, merchandise sales, etc. Cronin doesn't have the strong personality that would stamp the program and stand out in a pro town.

During the early Huggins years, UC was basically a basketball school that had a football team on the side.

Since leaving Nike/Jordan most apparel in stores is now football or non sport specific. Most new college apparel is released in the late summer and early fall. There is very limited releases in the winter. The days of big college basketball apparel launches in November seem to be over for everyone outside a handful of Nike schools.

The growth of football plus the NBA has
hurt college basketball. People don’t pay attention until the Super Bowl is over. It has become bubble watch, conference tournament, and NCAA tournament in terms of media attention. Bracket content.

(04-03-2019 11:21 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 10:51 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 10:45 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 10:12 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  eh maybe Cronin doesn't have as much to work with as i thought....

Maybe he really is getting blood from a stone.

Or maybe the product he is putting out there isn't worthy of generating tons of revenue. This can be a cyclical argument.

He hasn't grown the program as Huggins did. I'm not talking about on-court performance, but rather demand for tickets, TV ratings, merchandise sales, etc. Cronin doesn't have the strong personality that would stamp the program and stand out in a pro town.

During the early Huggins years, UC was basically a basketball school that had a football team on the side.

Since leaving Nike/Jordan most apparel in stores is now football or non sport specific. Most new college apparel is released in the late summer and early fall. There is very limited releases in the winter. The days of big college basketball apparel launches in November seem to be over for everyone outside a handful of Nike schools.

The growth of football plus the NBA has
hurt college basketball. People don’t pay attention until the Super Bowl is over. It has become bubble watch, conference tournament, and NCAA tournament in terms of media attention. Bracket content.

I'd throw AAU in there. The skills demonstrated in CBB are thrash, relative to what they've been in the past. The game is really hard to watch, IMO.

With UC being a non-entity nationally, and I'm no longer living in Cincy to feel the buzz i have entirely lost my interest in CBB. I only watch the Big Dance until UC loses, which......well, y'all know the rest.





mc

You can see the numbers here:

https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/

Click on 'Data for One School'

enter Cincinnati and click through for the report


Here is the value for UC men's basketball $7,465,979

(04-03-2019 11:07 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 10:45 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 10:12 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  eh maybe Cronin doesn't have as much to work with as i thought....

Maybe he really is getting blood from a stone.

Or maybe the product he is putting out there isn't worthy of generating tons of revenue. This can be a cyclical argument.

LOL, I've never heard of someone supporting their argument by calling it circular.

Where does a basketball program's revenue come from? TV deals are done by the conference, so UC doesn't have much control there. Is it just attendance and concessions and, like, clothing sales?

I was surprised and impressed with attendance this year. Maybe it was just the renovated arena. Guess we'll see next year.

It's all of those things, plus donations that are earmarked specifically for basketball and revenue from credits earned from advancement by conference mates in the NCAA tournament. In XU and Providence's case, they earn dollars for every team in the Big East that makes it to the tournament and additional money as they advance ($216M per unit going up to $280M per unit starting this year). Thus, the fact that the AAC has been a 2-3 bid league that hasn't advanced beyond the 1st weekend has cost UC money.

(04-03-2019 11:34 AM)marcuscan Wrote:  I'd throw AAU in there. The skills demonstrated in CBB are thrash, relative to what they've been in the past. The game is really hard to watch, IMO.

With UC being a non-entity nationally, and I'm no longer living in Cincy to feel the buzz i have entirely lost my interest in CBB. I only watch the Big Dance until UC loses, which......well, y'all know the rest.





mc

Are they? We have better shooters, better ball handlers, more versatile players. Watch people try to dribble with both hands 20 years ago. Free throw shooting goes up every year. Players are much more skilled today.