(04-03-2019 06:13 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 12:52 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 08:04 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:35 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  C'mon. Don't worry. We have the best coach a $ million can buy.

#77 College FB HC salary. Probably underpaid.

Highest in the MAC. If you're paying that money, what are the expectations?

JFC. 1 bad season, 1 year after winning a MACC, and you're already tired of him.

You didn't hear...... Toledo is supposed to be the Clemson of the midwest.

(04-03-2019 06:54 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:13 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 12:52 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 08:04 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:35 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  C'mon. Don't worry. We have the best coach a $ million can buy.

#77 College FB HC salary. Probably underpaid.

Highest in the MAC. If you're paying that money, what are the expectations?

JFC. 1 bad season, 1 year after winning a MACC, and you're already tired of him.

You didn't hear...... Toledo is supposed to be the Clemson of the midwest.

We are the undisputed Clemson of Northwest Ohio. Findlay is the perennial runner-up, maybe North Carolina, while BG is Vanderbilt without the academics.

(04-03-2019 09:12 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:54 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:13 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 12:52 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 08:04 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  #77 College FB HC salary. Probably underpaid.

Highest in the MAC. If you're paying that money, what are the expectations?

JFC. 1 bad season, 1 year after winning a MACC, and you're already tired of him.

You didn't hear...... Toledo is supposed to be the Clemson of the midwest.

We are the undisputed Clemson of Northwest Ohio. Findlay is the perennial runner-up, maybe North Carolina, while BG is Vanderbilt without the academics.

BG is Peabody College.

(04-03-2019 09:28 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 09:12 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:54 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:13 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 12:52 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Highest in the MAC. If you're paying that money, what are the expectations?

JFC. 1 bad season, 1 year after winning a MACC, and you're already tired of him.

You didn't hear...... Toledo is supposed to be the Clemson of the midwest.

We are the undisputed Clemson of Northwest Ohio. Findlay is the perennial runner-up, maybe North Carolina, while BG is Vanderbilt without the academics.

BG is Peabody College.

I was thinking Owens......

(04-03-2019 09:39 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 09:28 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 09:12 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:54 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:13 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  JFC. 1 bad season, 1 year after winning a MACC, and you're already tired of him.

You didn't hear...... Toledo is supposed to be the Clemson of the midwest.

We are the undisputed Clemson of Northwest Ohio. Findlay is the perennial runner-up, maybe North Carolina, while BG is Vanderbilt without the academics.

BG is Peabody College.

I was thinking Owens......

Owens is actually Vandy's Graduate School of Mgt.

(04-03-2019 09:39 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 09:28 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 09:12 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:54 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:13 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  JFC. 1 bad season, 1 year after winning a MACC, and you're already tired of him.

You didn't hear...... Toledo is supposed to be the Clemson of the midwest.

We are the undisputed Clemson of Northwest Ohio. Findlay is the perennial runner-up, maybe North Carolina, while BG is Vanderbilt without the academics.

BG is Peabody College.

I was thinking Owens......

bgsu will always be Wood County Vocational to me...
Though it gives the trades a bad rep...

(04-03-2019 06:13 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 12:52 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 08:04 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:35 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  C'mon. Don't worry. We have the best coach a $ million can buy.

#77 College FB HC salary. Probably underpaid.

Highest in the MAC. If you're paying that money, what are the expectations?

JFC. 1 bad season, 1 year after winning a MACC, and you're already tired of him.

I think that question kind of presumes that winning the MAC is worth a million a year. There's a long recent history of coaches earning much less, having won the MAC or having curb-stomped this coach in Bowl game.

That million wasn't reward for past performance. It was faith that this coach would be able to improve the program top to bottom and put it in contention beyond the MAC. Fanbase, attendance.... as well as being in contention. It's looking like such a hire-a-buddy system, the program doesn't look to be on the invested trajectory. This coach doesn't seem willing to move under-performing segments on to their next gig, while paying and developing ... diverse young coaches with potential and talent. Fan complaints on this board are much less vitrolic than most. I think the bit of concern shown can be tolerated, given the appearance of facts. Anyone is free to counter.

It might be good sign some guys are moving on. Maybe the new Dline coach toughened up the position, weeding out some cats.

(04-04-2019 05:15 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:13 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 12:52 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 08:04 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:35 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  C'mon. Don't worry. We have the best coach a $ million can buy.

#77 College FB HC salary. Probably underpaid.

Highest in the MAC. If you're paying that money, what are the expectations?

JFC. 1 bad season, 1 year after winning a MACC, and you're already tired of him.

I think that question kind of presumes that winning the MAC is worth a million a year. There's a long recent history of coaches earning much less, having won the MAC or having curb-stomped this coach in Bowl game.

That million wasn't reward for past performance. It was faith that this coach would be able to improve the program top to bottom and put it in contention beyond the MAC. Fanbase, attendance.... as well as being in contention. It's looking like such a hire-a-buddy system, the program doesn't look to be on the invested trajectory. This coach doesn't seem willing to move under-performing segments on to their next gig, while paying and developing ... diverse young coaches with potential and talent. Fan complaints on this board are much less vitrolic than most. I think the bit of concern shown can be tolerated, given the appearance of facts. Anyone is free to counter.

Last season's Sr's and RJr's were Campbell's. His last recruiting Class was 2016 and was rank #88 with an average composite for players of .7992.
Candle's:
2017 #78 #1 MAC .8082$
2018 #67 #1 MAC .8265
2019 #71 #1 MAC .8287

Avg Attendance for Campbell's(10-2 with wins over Arkansas and Iowa State) last season 2015 20,842 #2 MAC.
Candle's
2016 20,628 #3 MAC
2017 21,194 #1 MAC
2018 21,352 #1 MAC

Campbell had a 7-5 season, got curb stomped by Utah State 41-15 in a Bowl game, and never won a MACC. Matt's currently pulling down $3.5 mil a year. Cut the fixation
with the $1 million, seems almost like envy. Too much of that in the US. I think it's
great when somebody can make a buck.

I'm appreciative that our University can pay its head football coach over one million dollars. If we want to achieve greatness, it takes that type of investment, plus some to reach that level.

I honestly just can't remember any other off-season with this many transfers. Depth is critical for any program.

(04-04-2019 10:19 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  I'm appreciative that our University can pay its head football coach over one million dollars. If we want to achieve greatness, it takes that type of investment, plus some to reach that level.

I honestly just can't remember any other off-season with this many transfers. Depth is critic for any program.

When was the last time UT had three #1 signing classes in a row. The 2019 Class was way ahead of the rest of the MAC. Lot's of talent means transfers, especially now that the rules have changed.

(04-04-2019 08:33 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(04-04-2019 05:15 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:13 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 12:52 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 08:04 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  #77 College FB HC salary. Probably underpaid.

Highest in the MAC. If you're paying that money, what are the expectations?

JFC. 1 bad season, 1 year after winning a MACC, and you're already tired of him.

I think that question kind of presumes that winning the MAC is worth a million a year. There's a long recent history of coaches earning much less, having won the MAC or having curb-stomped this coach in Bowl game.

That million wasn't reward for past performance. It was faith that this coach would be able to improve the program top to bottom and put it in contention beyond the MAC. Fanbase, attendance.... as well as being in contention. It's looking like such a hire-a-buddy system, the program doesn't look to be on the invested trajectory. This coach doesn't seem willing to move under-performing segments on to their next gig, while paying and developing ... diverse young coaches with potential and talent. Fan complaints on this board are much less vitrolic than most. I think the bit of concern shown can be tolerated, given the appearance of facts. Anyone is free to counter.

Last season's Sr's and RJr's were Campbell's. His last recruiting Class was 2016 and was rank #88 with an average composite for players of .7992.
Candle's:
2017 #78 #1 MAC .8082$
2018 #67 #1 MAC .8265
2019 #71 #1 MAC .8287

Avg Attendance for Campbell's(10-2 with wins over Arkansas and Iowa State) last season 2015 20,842 #2 MAC.
Candle's
2016 20,628 #3 MAC
2017 21,194 #1 MAC
2018 21,352 #1 MAC

Campbell had a 7-5 season, got curb stomped by Utah State 41-15 in a Bowl game, and never won a MACC. Matt's currently pulling down $3.5 mil a year. Cut the fixation
with the $1 million, seems almost like envy. Too much of that in the US. I think it's
great when somebody can make a buck.

1 million for one of the MAC’s best FB coaches seems about right...
It’s all market driven !!

(04-04-2019 08:33 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(04-04-2019 05:15 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:13 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 12:52 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 08:04 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  #77 College FB HC salary. Probably underpaid.

Highest in the MAC. If you're paying that money, what are the expectations?

JFC. 1 bad season, 1 year after winning a MACC, and you're already tired of him.

I think that question kind of presumes that winning the MAC is worth a million a year. There's a long recent history of coaches earning much less, having won the MAC or having curb-stomped this coach in Bowl game.

That million wasn't reward for past performance. It was faith that this coach would be able to improve the program top to bottom and put it in contention beyond the MAC. Fanbase, attendance.... as well as being in contention. It's looking like such a hire-a-buddy system, the program doesn't look to be on the invested trajectory. This coach doesn't seem willing to move under-performing segments on to their next gig, while paying and developing ... diverse young coaches with potential and talent. Fan complaints on this board are much less vitrolic than most. I think the bit of concern shown can be tolerated, given the appearance of facts. Anyone is free to counter.

Last season's Sr's and RJr's were Campbell's. His last recruiting Class was 2016 and was rank #88 with an average composite for players of .7992.
Candle's:
2017 #78 #1 MAC .8082$
2018 #67 #1 MAC .8265
2019 #71 #1 MAC .8287

Avg Attendance for Campbell's(10-2 with wins over Arkansas and Iowa State) last season 2015 20,842 #2 MAC.
Candle's
2016 20,628 #3 MAC
2017 21,194 #1 MAC
2018 21,352 #1 MAC

Campbell had a 7-5 season, got curb stomped by Utah State 41-15 in a Bowl game, and never won a MACC. Matt's currently pulling down $3.5 mil a year. Cut the fixation
with the $1 million, seems almost like envy. Too much of that in the US. I think it's
great when somebody can make a buck.

and the boldfaced seems almost like a poor intelligences attempt to avoid discussion and put someone on the defensive instead of holding meaningful conversation.

There are lots of people that could make those bucks, it doesn't have to be Candle.

Campbell isn't our coach. We do not play them. We do not play their schedule. We are no closer, probably further to playing their schedule or to their level. Why the fixation with Campbell? By your own argument, Candle won the MACC with recruits from Campbell's and did little with those mostly from his watch so the fixation may be working against you.

"One million" has and is a milestone. That's why the "fixation." There is nothing wrong or to be worried about if others have discomfort with the salary of your boy. There are coaches in the final 16 whose base salary would be challenged by that and our coach certainly does not more work than they do nor bring in the revenue that they do. There were many sound reasons to challenge the amount in the first place but even more in hindsight. His off-season performance seems to have added to the reasons, retaining coaches that had little success.

Be it instead $999,999 or $1,000,001, there are going to be complaints from supporters of a cash-strapped university putting up that kind of money for something that matters not to the diplomas of the far majority. Maybe just get used to existance of the fixated or ignore if it disturbs you so?

(04-04-2019 05:31 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(04-04-2019 08:33 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(04-04-2019 05:15 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 06:13 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 12:52 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Highest in the MAC. If you're paying that money, what are the expectations?

JFC. 1 bad season, 1 year after winning a MACC, and you're already tired of him.

I think that question kind of presumes that winning the MAC is worth a million a year. There's a long recent history of coaches earning much less, having won the MAC or having curb-stomped this coach in Bowl game.

That million wasn't reward for past performance. It was faith that this coach would be able to improve the program top to bottom and put it in contention beyond the MAC. Fanbase, attendance.... as well as being in contention. It's looking like such a hire-a-buddy system, the program doesn't look to be on the invested trajectory. This coach doesn't seem willing to move under-performing segments on to their next gig, while paying and developing ... diverse young coaches with potential and talent. Fan complaints on this board are much less vitrolic than most. I think the bit of concern shown can be tolerated, given the appearance of facts. Anyone is free to counter.

Last season's Sr's and RJr's were Campbell's. His last recruiting Class was 2016 and was rank #88 with an average composite for players of .7992.
Candle's:
2017 #78 #1 MAC .8082$
2018 #67 #1 MAC .8265
2019 #71 #1 MAC .8287

Avg Attendance for Campbell's(10-2 with wins over Arkansas and Iowa State) last season 2015 20,842 #2 MAC.
Candle's
2016 20,628 #3 MAC
2017 21,194 #1 MAC
2018 21,352 #1 MAC

Campbell had a 7-5 season, got curb stomped by Utah State 41-15 in a Bowl game, and never won a MACC. Matt's currently pulling down $3.5 mil a year. Cut the fixation
with the $1 million, seems almost like envy. Too much of that in the US. I think it's
great when somebody can make a buck.

and the boldfaced seems almost like a poor intelligences attempt to avoid discussion and put someone on the defensive instead of holding meaningful conversation.

There are lots of people that could make those bucks, it doesn't have to be Candle.

Campbell isn't our coach. We do not play them. We do not play their schedule. We are no closer, probably further to playing their schedule or to their level. Why the fixation with Campbell? By your own argument, Candle won the MACC with recruits from Campbell's and did little with those mostly from his watch so the fixation may be working against you. B

"One million" has and is a milestone. That's why the "fixation." There is nothing wrong or to be worried about if others have discomfort with the salary of your boy. There are coaches in the final 16 whose base salary would be challenged by that and our coach certainly does not more work than they do nor bring in the revenue that they do. There were many sound reasons to challenge the amount in the first place but even more in hindsight. His off-season performance seems to have added to the reasons, retaining coaches that had little success.

Be it instead $999,999 or $1,000,001, there are going to be complaints from supporters of a cash-strapped university putting up that kind of money for something that matters not to the diplomas of the far majority. Maybe just get used to existance of the fixated or ignore if it disturbs you so?

I can handle it. Unfortunately, UT is known more for its athletic programs than academics around the country. While it may not matter to the far majority, football gives the University its greatest exposure. Candle will eventually move on to a higher paying gig. Glad UT has him now.

As far as Chambers is concern, the young man sees an opportunity with his size to play at a P5 school. Watch my words where he ends up. That size. playing as a freshman, he chose to play bigger.

[quote='Springboromark' pid='16048996' dateline='1555216653']
As far as Chambers is concern, the young man sees an opportunity with his size to play at a P5 school. Watch my words where he ends up. That size. playing as a freshman, he chose to play bigger.
[/quote

Watch some of last season's games a few times and grade his play. B gap was a huge problem for UT.

(04-03-2019 10:41 AM)utpotts Wrote:  The paranoia is over the top now.......

Most of these transfers are 3 stars, the only place they will play right away is in Div 2. 6 of the transfers I never heard of. Candle has bigger problems then worrying about the transfers. I hope we are able to go 6 - 6 this year. Candle should be looking over his shoulder now. All of Matt Campbell,s recruits are gone.

UT’s D line will be just fine without Chambers.

Non of the transfers will impact UT this season except possibly Thompkins. He will be missed the most but Jones should be able to fill that role as well. Chambers was surely not dominant and plays too high due to his size to adequately be a major run stopper. I was not happy to hear about Chambers leaving but on further reflection I think we’ll be fine.

UT is well stocked in talent across the board.

I strongly support Candle. Let’s not knock the guy so soon.

Go Rockets!

(04-14-2019 10:35 AM)FrickerRon Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 10:41 AM)utpotts Wrote:  The paranoia is over the top now.......

Most of these transfers are 3 stars, the only place they will play right away is in Div 2. 6 of the transfers I never heard of. Candle has bigger problems then worrying about the transfers. I hope we are able to go 6 - 6 this year. Candle should be looking over his shoulder now. All of Matt Campbell,s recruits are gone.

Doesn't have to be looking yet. Has four more years on his contract.

(04-14-2019 10:35 AM)FrickerRon Wrote:  

(04-03-2019 10:41 AM)utpotts Wrote:  The paranoia is over the top now.......

Most of these transfers are 3 stars, the only place they will play right away is in Div 2. 6 of the transfers I never heard of. Candle has bigger problems then worrying about the transfers. I hope we are able to go 6 - 6 this year. Candle should be looking over his shoulder now. All of Matt Campbell,s recruits are gone.

I hope this is sarcasm. Candle was on Campbell's staff, so it's not like Candle had nothing to do with the recruits. And, IIRC, Candle was the main recruiter at the end of Campbell's tenure.