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(03-31-2019 12:37 PM)jarr Wrote:  Cheating pays. Calipari vs Pearl, two of the dirtiest schools and coaches playing for the right to play in the final 4. Millions of eyeballs glued to the TV, packed bars, packed arenas, t-shirts flying off the shelves, and tons of money lining the pockets. No one cares, why should anyone care?

SEC bball is finally catching up to football. Although I am sure they paid players for a long time. The difference with the SEC today vs. 20 years ago, they have Yankee coaches everywhere in both sports.
 
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(03-31-2019 10:45 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(03-31-2019 12:37 PM)jarr Wrote:  Cheating pays. Calipari vs Pearl, two of the dirtiest schools and coaches playing for the right to play in the final 4. Millions of eyeballs glued to the TV, packed bars, packed arenas, t-shirts flying off the shelves, and tons of money lining the pockets. No one cares, why should anyone care?

SEC bball is finally catching up to football. Although I am sure they paid players for a long time. The difference with the SEC today vs. 20 years ago, they have Yankee coaches everywhere in both sports.

I had to laugh yesterday after Uk lost there were twitter wars back and forth with Uk supporters accusing Pearl of being a lowlife cheater. Shoes on the other foot.
 
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(04-01-2019 08:24 AM)dsquare Wrote:  
(03-31-2019 10:45 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(03-31-2019 12:37 PM)jarr Wrote:  Cheating pays. Calipari vs Pearl, two of the dirtiest schools and coaches playing for the right to play in the final 4. Millions of eyeballs glued to the TV, packed bars, packed arenas, t-shirts flying off the shelves, and tons of money lining the pockets. No one cares, why should anyone care?

SEC bball is finally catching up to football. Although I am sure they paid players for a long time. The difference with the SEC today vs. 20 years ago, they have Yankee coaches everywhere in both sports.

I had to laugh yesterday after Uk lost there were twitter wars back and forth with Uk supporters accusing Pearl of being a lowlife cheater. Shoes on the other foot.

LOL...that would crack me up too. I still believe that UK is at the pinnacle of $EC basketball cheating and I have plenty of UK friends that know it and admit it, but say that is the price to play and they are too big to get busted again (Kind of like the NCAA being afraid to come down on UNC, whose major, major violations occurred well before SMU, whose violations were much less and is starting to come off punishment while UNC is still in the clear).

I do wonder if this Nike FBI investigation could surface these issues and force the NCAAs hand.
 
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(03-31-2019 02:11 PM)chatcat Wrote:  Oh waiter, check please.

sometimes I wonder if Jarr cheated on Urine tests or even stayed up all night studying for it.
 
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(04-01-2019 08:54 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 08:24 AM)dsquare Wrote:  
(03-31-2019 10:45 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(03-31-2019 12:37 PM)jarr Wrote:  Cheating pays. Calipari vs Pearl, two of the dirtiest schools and coaches playing for the right to play in the final 4. Millions of eyeballs glued to the TV, packed bars, packed arenas, t-shirts flying off the shelves, and tons of money lining the pockets. No one cares, why should anyone care?

SEC bball is finally catching up to football. Although I am sure they paid players for a long time. The difference with the SEC today vs. 20 years ago, they have Yankee coaches everywhere in both sports.

I had to laugh yesterday after Uk lost there were twitter wars back and forth with Uk supporters accusing Pearl of being a lowlife cheater. Shoes on the other foot.

LOL...that would crack me up too. I still believe that UK is at the pinnacle of $EC basketball cheating and I have plenty of UK friends that know it and admit it, but say that is the price to play and they are too big to get busted again (Kind of like the NCAA being afraid to come down on UNC, whose major, major violations occurred well before SMU, whose violations were much less and is starting to come off punishment while UNC is still in the clear).

I do wonder if this Nike FBI investigation could surface these issues and force the NCAAs hand.

The FBI investigation into the NCAA has been a farce so far as not one Head Coach has gone down and the only coaches who have been charged are Black assistant coaches. Guys like Sean Miller, Bruce Pearl, Calipari, Self, Coach K and others are still standing and it's not surprising at all.
 
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RE: If you aint cheating you aint competing
(04-01-2019 03:35 PM)Loco Bearcat Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 08:54 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 08:24 AM)dsquare Wrote:  
(03-31-2019 10:45 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(03-31-2019 12:37 PM)jarr Wrote:  Cheating pays. Calipari vs Pearl, two of the dirtiest schools and coaches playing for the right to play in the final 4. Millions of eyeballs glued to the TV, packed bars, packed arenas, t-shirts flying off the shelves, and tons of money lining the pockets. No one cares, why should anyone care?

SEC bball is finally catching up to football. Although I am sure they paid players for a long time. The difference with the SEC today vs. 20 years ago, they have Yankee coaches everywhere in both sports.

I had to laugh yesterday after Uk lost there were twitter wars back and forth with Uk supporters accusing Pearl of being a lowlife cheater. Shoes on the other foot.

LOL...that would crack me up too. I still believe that UK is at the pinnacle of $EC basketball cheating and I have plenty of UK friends that know it and admit it, but say that is the price to play and they are too big to get busted again (Kind of like the NCAA being afraid to come down on UNC, whose major, major violations occurred well before SMU, whose violations were much less and is starting to come off punishment while UNC is still in the clear).

I do wonder if this Nike FBI investigation could surface these issues and force the NCAAs hand.

The FBI investigation into the NCAA has been a farce so far as not one Head Coach has gone down and the only coaches who have been charged are Black assistant coaches. Guys like Sean Miller, Bruce Pearl, Calipari, Self, Coach K and others are still standing and it's not surprising at all.

These guys aren’t stupid. They know to have a fall guy and someone positioned inbetween themselves, the money, and the recruit. That said, don’t they have one coach talking about “an offer” to a player being substantial?
 
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RE: If you aint cheating you aint competing
(04-01-2019 03:35 PM)Loco Bearcat Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 08:54 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 08:24 AM)dsquare Wrote:  
(03-31-2019 10:45 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(03-31-2019 12:37 PM)jarr Wrote:  Cheating pays. Calipari vs Pearl, two of the dirtiest schools and coaches playing for the right to play in the final 4. Millions of eyeballs glued to the TV, packed bars, packed arenas, t-shirts flying off the shelves, and tons of money lining the pockets. No one cares, why should anyone care?

SEC bball is finally catching up to football. Although I am sure they paid players for a long time. The difference with the SEC today vs. 20 years ago, they have Yankee coaches everywhere in both sports.

I had to laugh yesterday after Uk lost there were twitter wars back and forth with Uk supporters accusing Pearl of being a lowlife cheater. Shoes on the other foot.

LOL...that would crack me up too. I still believe that UK is at the pinnacle of $EC basketball cheating and I have plenty of UK friends that know it and admit it, but say that is the price to play and they are too big to get busted again (Kind of like the NCAA being afraid to come down on UNC, whose major, major violations occurred well before SMU, whose violations were much less and is starting to come off punishment while UNC is still in the clear).

I do wonder if this Nike FBI investigation could surface these issues and force the NCAAs hand.

The FBI investigation into the NCAA has been a farce so far as not one Head Coach has gone down and the only coaches who have been charged are Black assistant coaches. Guys like Sean Miller, Bruce Pearl, Calipari, Self, Coach K and others are still standing and it's not surprising at all.

People have been looking at this the wrong way. The targets in these criminal investigations are not the coaches, it’s been the agents and shoe reps.

That being said, the NCAA has been toothless in this process in taking action at places where these issues have been taking place (UofL, Auburn, Arizona, etc).
 
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(04-01-2019 04:28 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 03:35 PM)Loco Bearcat Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 08:54 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 08:24 AM)dsquare Wrote:  
(03-31-2019 10:45 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  SEC bball is finally catching up to football. Although I am sure they paid players for a long time. The difference with the SEC today vs. 20 years ago, they have Yankee coaches everywhere in both sports.

I had to laugh yesterday after Uk lost there were twitter wars back and forth with Uk supporters accusing Pearl of being a lowlife cheater. Shoes on the other foot.

LOL...that would crack me up too. I still believe that UK is at the pinnacle of $EC basketball cheating and I have plenty of UK friends that know it and admit it, but say that is the price to play and they are too big to get busted again (Kind of like the NCAA being afraid to come down on UNC, whose major, major violations occurred well before SMU, whose violations were much less and is starting to come off punishment while UNC is still in the clear).

I do wonder if this Nike FBI investigation could surface these issues and force the NCAAs hand.

The FBI investigation into the NCAA has been a farce so far as not one Head Coach has gone down and the only coaches who have been charged are Black assistant coaches. Guys like Sean Miller, Bruce Pearl, Calipari, Self, Coach K and others are still standing and it's not surprising at all.

These guys aren’t stupid. They know to have a fall guy and someone positioned inbetween themselves, the money, and the recruit. That said, don’t they have one coach talking about “an offer” to a player being substantial?

I believe you're referring to Will Wade at LSU....The FBI had a wire tap on him talking to some recruits middleman "Dude I went to him with a fraggin strong offer about a month ago". ''It was a hell of an offer, hell of an offer", etc...All the big time coaches have a stooge, err assistant coach whose primary function is to take the bullet if stuff hits the fan. Does the name Jon Loyer ring a bell around here.
 
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(04-01-2019 04:51 PM)JUSTGOPLAY Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 04:28 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 03:35 PM)Loco Bearcat Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 08:54 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 08:24 AM)dsquare Wrote:  I had to laugh yesterday after Uk lost there were twitter wars back and forth with Uk supporters accusing Pearl of being a lowlife cheater. Shoes on the other foot.

LOL...that would crack me up too. I still believe that UK is at the pinnacle of $EC basketball cheating and I have plenty of UK friends that know it and admit it, but say that is the price to play and they are too big to get busted again (Kind of like the NCAA being afraid to come down on UNC, whose major, major violations occurred well before SMU, whose violations were much less and is starting to come off punishment while UNC is still in the clear).

I do wonder if this Nike FBI investigation could surface these issues and force the NCAAs hand.

The FBI investigation into the NCAA has been a farce so far as not one Head Coach has gone down and the only coaches who have been charged are Black assistant coaches. Guys like Sean Miller, Bruce Pearl, Calipari, Self, Coach K and others are still standing and it's not surprising at all.

These guys aren’t stupid. They know to have a fall guy and someone positioned inbetween themselves, the money, and the recruit. That said, don’t they have one coach talking about “an offer” to a player being substantial?

I believe you're referring to Will Wade at LSU....The FBI had a wire tap on him talking to some recruits middleman "Dude I went to him with a fraggin strong offer about a month ago". ''It was a hell of an offer, hell of an offer", etc...All the big time coaches have a stooge, err assistant coach whose primary function is to take the bullet if stuff hits the fan. Does the name Jon Loyer ring a bell around here.
03-lmfao
 
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I'll be curious how this plays out:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...na-program
 
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NCAA: "Are you cheating?"
Arizona: "No."
NCAA: "OK, Good enough for me."
 
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(05-05-2019 08:24 AM)Topcat Wrote:  NCAA: "Are you cheating?"
Arizona: "No."
NCAA: "OK, Good enough for me."
NCAA:
"OK, Good enough for us, but just to be sure, we'd better put Northern Arizona on a 3-year probation."
 
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(03-31-2019 04:27 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Is it cheating if everyone is participating? If you are not participating you are not putting yourself in a position to win.

Oh, the Lance Armstrong defense; that's why I named my daughter after Greg Lemond (her middle name).
 
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It's always good to occupy the moral high ground, but only if the occupation is legitimate. I'd rather be honest than win, and frankly, I can't imagine how much satisfaction folks get out of cheating and winning. Deep down, they must know that they wouldn't or couldn't or shouldn't have won otherwise.

If a coach focuses his or her recruiting efforts year after year toward signing one-and-done kids to achieve repeated short-term success at the expense of worthier academic goals, is that a form of cheating? I think so. I've never liked the athletic dog wagging the academic dog in a university setting. We should be better than that.

Yeah, I'm an old fart, and perhaps that's why I know that it's possible for athletes to excel both on the field/court and in the classroom. Oscar Robertson, Jack Twyman, Larry Willey, and a host of others did it. They're the kind of folks I like to point to as representing my Alma Mater.
 
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(03-31-2019 04:27 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Is it cheating if everyone is participating? If you are not participating you are not putting yourself in a position to win.

Oh, the Lance Armstrong defense; that's why I named my daughter after Greg Lemond (her middle name).

Your daughter's middle name is GREG?
 
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(03-31-2019 04:27 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Is it cheating if everyone is participating? If you are not participating you are not putting yourself in a position to win.

Oh, the Lance Armstrong defense; that's why I named my daughter after Greg Lemond (her middle name).

Your daughter's middle name is GREG?

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The older I get, the more I realize the NCAA recruiting rules are only in place for selective enforcement. The smaller your TV audience, the more your boosters have to pay to keep the penalties away. There are probably a few smart kids and families out there that don't want to get wrapped up in phantom contracts in the teenage years, but if coach K has moved on from making teams with them, that might say something. At the AAC level, cheating costs.
 
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(05-05-2019 10:12 AM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  
(03-31-2019 04:27 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Is it cheating if everyone is participating? If you are not participating you are not putting yourself in a position to win.

Oh, the Lance Armstrong defense; that's why I named my daughter after Greg Lemond (her middle name).

No. It is the reality of college athletics.
 
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(05-06-2019 11:01 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  
(05-05-2019 10:12 AM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  
(03-31-2019 04:27 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Is it cheating if everyone is participating? If you are not participating you are not putting yourself in a position to win.

Oh, the Lance Armstrong defense; that's why I named my daughter after Greg Lemond (her middle name).

No. It is the reality of college athletics.

It was Lance Armstrong's reality, as well. He basked in the glory of his ill-gotten victories for years despite numerous doping allegations against him. Then the US Anti Doping Agency and the International Cycling Union finally responded and crushed him. Is he remembered now for his many vacated Tour de France (and other) championships or for his cheating?

If cheating is the reality of college athletics, then we should demand change no matter the level of competition.
 
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