(03-31-2019 08:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 06:54 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 09:23 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Yeah, that should stop people from leaving those countries.

It will definitely stop rewarding those countries.

I'm not sure how this helps at all. It seems more like a feel good measure. Do we want them to build a wall to keep their people in?

That wouldn't hurt my feelings in light of the siege we are currently under. Anyone who doesn't think this is a siege is delusional or very naive. This is an orchestrated event, or rather series of events, designed to crush our infrastructure by over-loading the welfare system.

(03-31-2019 09:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

All those Mexican countries are inundating our borders.

Yes they are. Good to see a leftie with common sense enough to recognize a crisis when they see one and not try to make political hay of it. +3

Don't forget that they have to cross Mexico to get to our border.

This is Mexico's problem before it is ours

Mexico could build a very short wall

(03-31-2019 10:52 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 09:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

All those Mexican countries are inundating our borders.

Yes they are. Good to see a leftie with common sense enough to recognize a crisis when they see one and not try to make political hay of it. +3

Um, that was a graphic they apologized for. Believe FBO was laughing at them for it.

I'm good with cutting aid but this will have zero effect on illegal immigration. Pointless for the intended reason. Might cause a handful more to leave their homes for ours if anything.

(03-31-2019 11:29 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 10:52 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 09:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

All those Mexican countries are inundating our borders.

Yes they are. Good to see a leftie with common sense enough to recognize a crisis when they see one and not try to make political hay of it. +3

Um, that was a graphic they apologized for. Believe FBO was laughing at them for it.

Too late. He's already given me +3. No take backsies.

#repwhore

(03-31-2019 10:51 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 08:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 06:54 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 09:23 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Yeah, that should stop people from leaving those countries.

It will definitely stop rewarding those countries.

I'm not sure how this helps at all. It seems more like a feel good measure. Do we want them to build a wall to keep their people in?

That wouldn't hurt my feelings in light of the siege we are currently under. Anyone who doesn't think this is a siege is delusional or very naive. This is an orchestrated event, or rather series of events, designed to crush our infrastructure by over-loading the welfare system.

So you were in favor of the Berlin Wall?

(03-31-2019 11:10 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Don't forget that they have to cross Mexico to get to our border.

This is Mexico's problem before it is ours

Mexico could build a very short wall

If we force Mexico to keep them, they may be a little more diligent at their southern border.

We should insist they are Mexico's and only Mexico's problem. Yes, they would stop them from even entering their country then. This is a no brainer.

(03-31-2019 11:34 AM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm good with cutting aid but this will have zero effect on illegal immigration. Pointless for the intended reason. Might cause a handful more to leave their homes for ours if anything.

See post 28

Use the money for the wall and/or encouraging Mexico to be more diligent... plus more DIRECT aid (not through their often corrupt governments, but the red cross etc)

(03-31-2019 11:34 AM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm good with cutting aid but this will have zero effect on illegal immigration. Pointless for the intended reason. Might cause a handful more to leave their homes for ours if anything.

with a strong USD and record low unemployment, how does that matter....

they need to get their own house in order....

sometimes, you have to shove when it comes to push....

you're not seeing the bigger subliminal pic.....this is how you build through strength amidst crisis....

more 128379843189741932741d chess flies over your head again....

This isn't going to increase illegal immigrants because very little of the money was getting to the people to begin with because of the government corruption and graft in Central America. Since it was having little direct effect on the people then stopping it is a good fiscal move to make.

(03-31-2019 11:34 AM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm good with cutting aid but this will have zero effect on illegal immigration. Pointless for the intended reason. Might cause a handful more to leave their homes for ours if anything.

If you think the common folk get any of the benefits of this foreign aid it's obvious you don't know Hispanic corruption. It's sort of like American corruption but it's not done under the table like in the US.

It's like stopping the illegal flow of money to a certain cartel and that cartel does its best to have the money flow started again by any means.

The leaders of those countries will try to undam the green wave, i.e., money.

(03-31-2019 12:56 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 11:34 AM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm good with cutting aid but this will have zero effect on illegal immigration. Pointless for the intended reason. Might cause a handful more to leave their homes for ours if anything.

If you think the common folk get any of the benefits of this foreign aid it's obvious you don't know Hispanic corruption. It's sort of like American corruption but it's not done under the table like in the US.

It's like stopping the illegal flow of money to a certain cartel and that cartel does its best to have the money flow started again by any means.

The leaders of those countries will try to undam the green wave, i.e., money.

there's a reason they wouldn't let me drive in TJ (I was an easy target)....again, I watched the Federales take over the Policia during my brief stint there...

Pablo (the driver) taught me 'the ropes' quick-like...

(03-31-2019 11:34 AM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm good with cutting aid but this will have zero effect on illegal immigration. Pointless for the intended reason. Might cause a handful more to leave their homes for ours if anything.

Disagree. We know the levels of corruption in these sh!thole countries are sucking up the vast majority of our aid. Cutting them off COULD force the leaders to tighten their grip on their own people. Let's face it - if Stalin's Russia was known as a 'communist deformed state' by those who advocated for "true" communism/socialism, then these 3 countries are could just as easily be called 'democratic deformed states' by those who believe we should be exporting democracy to the world.

If possible, the U.S. should figure out a way to stop remittance payments to Mexico and the CA and SA countries until they get their people in line to stop the mass caravans to mob our border.

One fear in all this is China lurking in the background. They may try to gain footholds into the western hemisphere by stepping into the void left by the U.S. for not providing aid. No matter the options, these Mexico, Guatamala and El Salvador are no different than Jessie Jackson shakedown operations. Damned if we give, damned if we don't.

(03-31-2019 01:06 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 12:56 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 11:34 AM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm good with cutting aid but this will have zero effect on illegal immigration. Pointless for the intended reason. Might cause a handful more to leave their homes for ours if anything.

If you think the common folk get any of the benefits of this foreign aid it's obvious you don't know Hispanic corruption. It's sort of like American corruption but it's not done under the table like in the US.

It's like stopping the illegal flow of money to a certain cartel and that cartel does its best to have the money flow started again by any means.

The leaders of those countries will try to undam the green wave, i.e., money.

there's a reason they wouldn't let me drive in TJ (I was an easy target)....again, I watched the Federales take over the Policia during my brief stint there...

Pablo (the driver) taught me 'the ropes' quick-like...

That's why it's a good idea to carry paper money in small denominations in case you're stopped by the cops, "la mordida," is a very common happening there. It's better than going through the official channels. Just give the cops a few bucks and you're back on your way.

I haven't set foot in Juarez in about 18 years when my wife and I went there to buy a water fountain for our back yard. I miss it a little because it was a lotta fun but with the cartels and the cops you have your hands full and I don't like the hassles. No use having more problems than you need.

(03-31-2019 01:12 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 11:34 AM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm good with cutting aid but this will have zero effect on illegal immigration. Pointless for the intended reason. Might cause a handful more to leave their homes for ours if anything.

Disagree. We know the levels of corruption in these sh!thole countries are sucking up the vast majority of our aid. Cutting them off COULD force the leaders to tighten their grip on their own people. Let's face it - if Stalin's Russia was known as a 'communist deformed state' by those who advocated for "true" communism/socialism, then these 3 countries are could just as easily be called 'democratic deformed states' by those who believe we should be exporting democracy to the world.

If possible, the U.S. should figure out a way to stop remittance payments to Mexico and the CA and SA countries until they get their people in line to stop the mass caravans to mob our border.

One fear in all this is China lurking in the background. They may try to gain footholds into the western hemisphere by stepping into the void left by the U.S. for not providing aid. No matter the options, these Mexico, Guatamala and El Salvador are no different than Jessie Jackson shakedown operations. Damned if we give, damned if we don't.

They are doing that regardless if the USA gives "AID" to other countries in the Americas.

(03-31-2019 01:15 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 01:12 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 11:34 AM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm good with cutting aid but this will have zero effect on illegal immigration. Pointless for the intended reason. Might cause a handful more to leave their homes for ours if anything.

Disagree. We know the levels of corruption in these sh!thole countries are sucking up the vast majority of our aid. Cutting them off COULD force the leaders to tighten their grip on their own people. Let's face it - if Stalin's Russia was known as a 'communist deformed state' by those who advocated for "true" communism/socialism, then these 3 countries are could just as easily be called 'democratic deformed states' by those who believe we should be exporting democracy to the world.

If possible, the U.S. should figure out a way to stop remittance payments to Mexico and the CA and SA countries until they get their people in line to stop the mass caravans to mob our border.

One fear in all this is China lurking in the background. They may try to gain footholds into the western hemisphere by stepping into the void left by the U.S. for not providing aid. No matter the options, these Mexico, Guatamala and El Salvador are no different than Jessie Jackson shakedown operations. Damned if we give, damned if we don't.

They are doing that regardless if the USA gives "AID" to other countries in the Americas.

in trade terminology, that is XACLY! correct....

this is why you hammer them (china) with tariffs to renegotiate nafta....

you don't let off the pedal with you have their cods in 'small hands'....

(03-31-2019 11:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 10:51 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 08:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 06:54 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 09:23 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Yeah, that should stop people from leaving those countries.

It will definitely stop rewarding those countries.

I'm not sure how this helps at all. It seems more like a feel good measure. Do we want them to build a wall to keep their people in?

That wouldn't hurt my feelings in light of the siege we are currently under. Anyone who doesn't think this is a siege is delusional or very naive. This is an orchestrated event, or rather series of events, designed to crush our infrastructure by over-loading the welfare system.

So you were in favor of the Berlin Wall?

Not a direct equivalency IMHO. The Berlin Wall was part of a larger struggle between 2 superpowers. Insisting that Mexico take a hard line to enforce their southern border is not contrary to our values. When you consider that these people truly 1) do not want to be American's, 2) do not want to assimilate into our culture and 3) only care about making money to send back to their families in their native countries is enough evidence to me that these so-called "immigrants" are undesirables. While it would be preferable to have immigrants who have decent assets and are already well educated, the absolute minimum requirement SHOULD be that these poor and unskilled people WANT to be Americans because they love what America represents. They need to at least WANT to be a part of our values and WANT to be a part of our culture before they should be allowed to be here.

More good work by our President...