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RE: Nate Knight
(02-16-2020 02:40 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 01:52 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 06:17 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  Unbelievable how much he has taken over games. Is it safe to say that hes the best Tribe player ever?
It's safe to say one of the best. IMO, he is certainly the best all around player to come to Williamsburg and his nationally recognized stats back that up. He is a 2-time Abdul Jabbar finalist and has put up numbers on par with NCAA all-timers. But, it's hard for me to say it just yet when there was another tribe player in the house yesterday who is the all time scoring leader and the 1st & only (so far at least) CAA player of the year. He has gone on to be a highly successful pro and is a cornerstone for the upward trajectory of the program. Once Nate gets CAA POY, which I expect after this season, we can revisit this.

My point was that those things seem a lock. Top 3 all-time in 3 different major statistical categories. I guess the tourney performance this year might be the tiebreaker for those on the fence. If we make the final, Id say that he overtakes Marcus.

I would say that a deep CAAT run would equal Marcus for importance and overtake him on a strictly statistical basis. An NCAAT appearance would entitle Nate to a statue. I hesitate to compare Nate or Marcus to the greats of the past (like Giermak, Chambers, and Cohen) because the game was just so different back then. It still boggles my mind how many points those guys scored back before there was a three point shot -- in fact, turn all of Marcus' and Nate's treys into deuces and calculate how many points it would have been. Also, some of those early players played only 3 seasons. Cohen impresses me a ton because, like Nate, he excelled at both scoring and rebounding.
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Saw on ESPN TV last night before the UVA game that Nathan was second in the country for Player Efficiency Rating!

Looked it us and found this link:

http://insider.espn.com/mens-college-bas...statistics

He is being compared to some elite players and the only Mid Major in top ten:

Since you might not get the link to work here are the top 10 Player Efficiency Rating Leaders:

RK PLAYER GP MPG AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER
1 Luka Garza, IOWA 25 31 4.4 8.1 26.7 11.9 21.6 16.8 36.84
2 Nathan Knight, W&M 27 29 7.8 11.6 27.1 10.1 31.6 20.9 36.03
3 Max Mahoney, BU 26 26 15.3 8.7 22.4 11.2 22.1 16.6 35.23
4 Vernon Carey Jr., DUKE 25 24 6.7 12.3 25.3 11.2 24.4 17.8 34.89
5 Onyeka Okongwu, USC 23 30 7.3 12.0 19.4 11.5 19.2 15.4 33.00
6 Obi Toppin, DAY 25 31 11.0 11.9 22.0 4.9 24.1 14.5 32.92
7 Daniel Oturu, MINN 23 34 5.9 14.6 23.2 11.8 23.2 17.5 32.32
8 Filip Petrusev, GONZ 27 25 7.4 12.0 24.8 9.0 21.9 15.4 31.29
9 Austin Wiley, AUB 25 21 5.3 15.9 19.0 16.3 27.3 21.8 30.85
10 Tyrique Jones, XAV 25 27 9.9 11.4 20.6 16.5 25.6 21.0 30.74

AST: Assist Ratio - the percentage of a player's possessions that ends in an assist. Assist Ratio = (Assists x 100) divided by [(FGA + (FTA x 0.44) + Assists + Turnovers]
TO: Turnover Ratio - the percentage of a player's possessions that end in a turnover. Turnover Ratio = (Turnover x 100) divided by [(FGA + (FTA x 0.44) + Assists + Turnovers]
USG: Usage Rate - the number of possessions a player uses per 40 minutes. Usage Rate = {[FGA + (FT Att. x 0.44) + (Ast x 0.33) + TO] x 40 x League Pace} divided by (Minutes x Team Pace)
ORR: Offensive rebound rate
DRR: Defensive rebound rate
REBR: Rebound Rate - the percentage of missed shots that a player rebounds. Rebound Rate = (100 x (Rebounds x Team Minutes)) divided by [Player Minutes x (Team Rebounds + Opponent Rebounds)]
PER: Player Efficiency Rating is the overall rating of a player's per-minute statistical production. The league average is 15.00 every season
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Actually, just to clarify, but Boston University (BU), Dayton, and Gonzaga are all mid-majors, too. Point well taken, though!
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(02-13-2020 10:55 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Yeah, he's out of NCAA eligibility.

At some institutions eligibility is compulsory. At others it’s advisory. Who’s to say a school having successfully stretched the eligibility envelope in one direction for years wouldn’t be afraid to work the other end of the spectrum. It’s probably only a matter of time.
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Forbes piece on Knight

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmull/2...ssion=true

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(02-17-2020 02:41 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Forbes piece on Knight

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmull/2...ssion=true

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Great article! Nate is a special person!
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(02-17-2020 04:05 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  
(02-17-2020 02:41 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Forbes piece on Knight

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmull/2...ssion=true

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Great article! Nate is a special person!
Yep, Kentucky should be excited to get him next year
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I think it will be really interesting to see if he gets drafted and where. He doesn't really play against anyone who is close to NBA caliber in our conference games so the tape doesn't tell you much. He's played very well against P6 teams the last two years which is a better gauge. What I know is that he can score around the basket with both hands. You don't see that very often in the NBA. I think he handles the ball well enough for a stretch four and for sure for a true center. I still don't think he stays focused on defense. That may be desire or just lack of foot speed.

Someone in the NBA is going to take a chance on him, and I won't be surprised if it is a pick in the top 20. The so called experts on line don't even look at small school players (they usually just copy each other), but the NBA talent scouts and GMs do. He's a very low risk in terms of downside, especially with no real injury history, he stays out of trouble, etc. He's only been playing real competitive hoops for five years.
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(02-17-2020 02:41 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Forbes piece on Knight

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmull/2...ssion=true

Yes, great article, thanks for posting. Not complaining, just observing, but too bad that first photo had to be set in the gym of American University. Maybe a photo from the Oklahoma or Stanford games would have been more impressive to the detail-oriented observer.
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Anyone else see Brian Mull and think Brian Hutt?
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Hard to believe we'll be seeing Nate play at Kaplan for the final time on February 29th. I would hope we'll draw
another big crowd and packed student section for this special final home game.

Hey folks, why not retire his #13 then?
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(02-18-2020 05:30 AM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  Hey folks, why not retire his #13 then?

He certainly deserves having his number retired. My guess is that his retirement is built into the new arena inaugural season festivities.
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I'm pretty sure they retired Lowenhaupt's number in his last game. I think it would be fitting to send him out with all of his team mates, student friends, etc. in attendance. Plus this fan base knows him the best.
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(02-18-2020 09:45 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  I'm pretty sure they retired Lowenhaupt's number in his last game. I think it would be fitting to send him out with all of his team mates, student friends, etc. in attendance. Plus this fan base knows him the best.

I believe that Cieplicki's jersey was retired in his last game also.
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I'm all for it, just think that small chance that they retire 2 in the same season.
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(02-18-2020 10:26 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  I'm all for it, just think that small chance that they retire 2 in the same season.

In reality, they retired Marcus' number when he left. It was said that the number would never be worn again, and it hasn't!!
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Dont want to jinx the NCAA tourney to say its his last game at Kaplan and then have us somehow end up hosting an NIT game.
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(02-15-2020 06:17 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  Unbelievable how much he has taken over games. Is it safe to say that hes the best Tribe player ever?

He's definitely on my Mt. Rushmore of Tribe Men's Basketball, but all of this discussion about Nate and Marcus got me thinking...and being thankful.

I was fortunate to have been a student when Keith Cieplicki AND Lynn Norenberg were earning their honors, so it's been a while since we've had anyone whose career was retire-your-number-worthy. How lucky are we to have witnessed the careers of both Marcus Thornton and Nathan Knight, practically back to back?

Let's pray Dane's recruiting game is strong enough to keep the good times rolling...but it may be a while before we see two players of this caliber in such a short span.
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(02-18-2020 10:42 AM)ScottyB757 Wrote:  
(02-15-2020 06:17 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  Unbelievable how much he has taken over games. Is it safe to say that hes the best Tribe player ever?

He's definitely on my Mt. Rushmore of Tribe Men's Basketball, but all of this discussion about Nate and Marcus got me thinking...and being thankful.

I was fortunate to have been a student when Keith Cieplicki AND Lynn Norenberg were earning their honors, so it's been a while since we've had anyone whose career was retire-your-number-worthy. How lucky are we to have witnessed the careers of both Marcus Thornton and Nathan Knight, practically back to back?

Let's pray Dane's recruiting game is strong enough to keep the good times rolling...but it may be a while before we see two players of this caliber in such a short span.

Watching Delaware's "Nate" torch us during the first half on Saturday reminded me a lot Keith Cieplicki. I still believe that Cieplicki would have led us to the NCAA tourney during his career if it were not for that pretty good player by the name of David Robinson. And yes, I am still trying to block the 1982-83 season from my memory.
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For the 2nd straight year, Nate is one of the 5 finalists for the Kareem Abdul Jabbar award.
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