(03-25-2019 05:40 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 12:54 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 05:15 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I’ve heard a lot about how well the baby boomers supported good ‘ole state u, and I’ve heard a lot about how the millennials just don’t really care as much about college sports as the baby boomers do. But lost in the discussion for me is Generation X, the generation that raised the millennials and probably the one that they despise the most. How do you guys/gals view Generation X??

Not really sure on your original question, but just for a point of clarification it was the Baby Boomers who mostly raised Millennials. Usually parents/children skip a generation in the middle.

Boomers were born 1945-early 60s and would have had kids in the 70s-90s. Only the oldest Gen Xers would've had kids in the (late) 90s. Gen X mostly had Gen Z kids (post 2000).

Source: was born in 1991, my parents were born in 55-56 and all my friends parents were basically born in the late 50s early 60s.

I can never keep those labels for generations straight.

My kids were born early 2000s, if that's Generation Z, then that's the generation that sports team owners and college ADs should be concerned about. Forget about getting them to sit through anything as long as a football game (whether in person or on TV), and if you want them to even know who won a game you probably need to put the result in their Instagram or Snapchat feed. And I doubt that will change as the generation gets older.

In some ways it sounds like my kids, but we do get them to go to the games. When they were younger, if the stadium served ice cream, it helped. Whether they will go on their own is another question.

(03-29-2019 07:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 11:19 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 08:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  What happened to all those Boomers that were hippies in the 60’s/70’s?

Oh I know, they got a job, made money, and now have season tickets to their school’s football team.

People change.

It was a different time. The Boomers that were "hippies in the 60's/70's" had the Vietnam War and the military draft to be concerned about. There was the Civil rights movement, the Women's liberation movement. There were race riots in the cities. Once all that settled down, you got a job, made money and got season tickets to your school's football team.

It is not so much that people change, the world changes. If you were a parent of a baby boomer, you grew up in the depression era. You were happy to have food on the table and a roof over your head. Baby boomers grew up in an era with limited TV options, when baseball was still America's pastime and World Series games were played during the day. There was no ESPN or internet or cell phones. Newspapers were a major source of news.

I really don't see a difference in desire to attend a sporting event or watch a sporting event between generations. It is more about affordability. Generation X is probably not as comfortable financially as the Baby Boomers, but they still attend sporting events. ‎Millennials and Generation Z have a lot of options and challenges ahead of them. Attending a sporting event will likely be at the bottom of their-to-do-list considering the expense, unless the tickets are free.

Then how do you the define the Boomers that are still hippies, and did all of those movements settle down or just lose coverage? People are still talking about them today: different war, and the inequality of people. It appears to me that a lot of Boomers grew out of their “movement phase”.

Anyway, Millennials were the first generation wearing their fav player’s jersey and watching ESPN before school. Millennials are savvy when it comes to stats because they grew up with the internet and a dedicated sports network.

Lots of Boomers weren't hippies. They took the hard work, keep your head down values of their Silent Generation parents. And as you get older, things aren't as black and white. My oldest sister marched in peace rallies, voted for McGovern, then later voted for Reagan, Perot, W. and Obama. She's a true swing voter.

My 6 year old sits through an entire football and basketball game. He's like gen AA i guess? Granted he can't leave without me so has no choice.

I was born in 1980 and as others have said really do bridge the gap quite nicely between boomers and millenials. I remember a time before internet but much younger than me doesn't.

Baby Boomers really benefited from buying low when the economy was in the toilet and 20 percent interest rates, paying for housing at a price their parents did but living on the front end of a global economic expansion.

With rising equity they could keep trading up houses and buying ever more expensive vehicles with work bonuses. As children they grew up with a scarcity of goods. Even well off families had 1 car and nothing but cheap meals on the dinner table. For this reason consumerism seemed an exciting new prospect.

Generation X had to work harder and travel further to find the same success. They started families later and became more open to non-traditional arrangements (like stay at home Dads). Corporate careers by their time required a degree and a relocation to a major city.

Millennials grew up with plenty of sports camps, activities, disney vacations, toys ect. but had to absorb high housing and tuition prices because the boomers have run everything up with their salaries. Some Millennials though did benefit from jumping into the housing market back in 2010-2013 picking up foreclosures and record low interest rates.

So what is next I guess? There is so much price competition that I don't think we'll see inflation like we did in the 70's. Families are getting smaller and that will eventually hurt growth. More interest in progressive policies, less interest in consumerism. Live sports will still be worth paying for and going to a pro stadium will still be an experience.

Of course I think there will still be a lot of sports loyalty in the smaller cities and college towns due to proximity. Areas where the family size is still high and young families are formed that aren't that different from the ones of 20, 30, 40 years ago.

MLB is a good case study with a 40 year decline in interest but has reinvented itself as a casual sport with lots of TV inventory for advertisers. Baseball is still important but not in the same way that it was.

The G5 already have the smaller stadium model in place of the future which is an advantage over their P counterparts. Can they work streaming to their advantage? Invest in basketball where the potential to run with the big dogs is available?

(03-30-2019 11:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-29-2019 07:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 11:19 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 08:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  What happened to all those Boomers that were hippies in the 60’s/70’s?

Oh I know, they got a job, made money, and now have season tickets to their school’s football team.

People change.

It was a different time. The Boomers that were "hippies in the 60's/70's" had the Vietnam War and the military draft to be concerned about. There was the Civil rights movement, the Women's liberation movement. There were race riots in the cities. Once all that settled down, you got a job, made money and got season tickets to your school's football team.

It is not so much that people change, the world changes. If you were a parent of a baby boomer, you grew up in the depression era. You were happy to have food on the table and a roof over your head. Baby boomers grew up in an era with limited TV options, when baseball was still America's pastime and World Series games were played during the day. There was no ESPN or internet or cell phones. Newspapers were a major source of news.

I really don't see a difference in desire to attend a sporting event or watch a sporting event between generations. It is more about affordability. Generation X is probably not as comfortable financially as the Baby Boomers, but they still attend sporting events. ‎Millennials and Generation Z have a lot of options and challenges ahead of them. Attending a sporting event will likely be at the bottom of their-to-do-list considering the expense, unless the tickets are free.

Then how do you the define the Boomers that are still hippies, and did all of those movements settle down or just lose coverage? People are still talking about them today: different war, and the inequality of people. It appears to me that a lot of Boomers grew out of their “movement phase”.

Anyway, Millennials were the first generation wearing their fav player’s jersey and watching ESPN before school. Millennials are savvy when it comes to stats because they grew up with the internet and a dedicated sports network.

Lots of Boomers weren't hippies. They took the hard work, keep your head down values of their Silent Generation parents. And as you get older, things aren't as black and white. My oldest sister marched in peace rallies, voted for McGovern, then later voted for Reagan, Perot, W. and Obama. She's a true swing voter.

They worked hard but they enjoyed it. Today many have taken occupations for the money when the job duties they have to perform are not in their DNA.

But I also think some of it is as people become older they become more proactive and so younger generations will always seem lazier than the older ones. The defining characteristics of a generation has more to do with lifestyle do or don'ts. Boomer women don't wear beehive hairdos. Gen X women expect equality in the household. Millennials don't buy the biggest house they can possibly afford.

GenX is the overlooked generation and we always will be simply due to the fact we are one of the smaller generations. The Millenials used to be called "GenY" until they were renamed. GenZ will be the same - probably something stupid like the "Smartphone Gen"... As you may have noticed - we GenX people STILL don't have an official name. If you're going to take anything away from that - it's we are not considered important when it comes to the advertisers. We're too small compared to the preceding and following generations to us.

My older brother and I were born solidly in the GenX range while my younger brother was at the very tail end - a 'Xennial" if you want to go that route. My parents are baby boomers - but born only a few years after the line dividing the silent generation and the boomers. It's not pertinent to this thread aside from stating that there's a lot more blurring at the tail ends of these generations and that a significant portion of any generation will have parents from the previous generation. It's not always a guaranteed skip of the generation. Also, the generation stuff is overblown and really is most meaningful if you're trying to compare the midpoints between generations. Otherwise, it's a giant continuous progression. It has nothing to do with innate differences between people born in different generations. It's all about how the world shaped people depending on when they were born.

(04-03-2019 06:04 AM)miko33 Wrote:  My older brother and I were born solidly in the GenX range while my younger brother was at the very tail end - a 'Xennial" if you want to go that route. My parents are baby boomers - but born only a few years after the line dividing the silent generation and the boomers. It's not pertinent to this thread aside from stating that there's a lot more blurring at the tail ends of these generations and that a significant portion of any generation will have parents from the previous generation. It's not always a guaranteed skip of the generation. Also, the generation stuff is overblown and really is most meaningful if you're trying to compare the midpoints between generations. Otherwise, it's a giant continuous progression. It has nothing to do with innate differences between people born in different generations. It's all about how the world shaped people depending on when they were born.

Taking the midpoint I think is a better way to think about it.

Boomers 1954: Age 15 during Woodstock.
Gen X 1972: Age 19 when Nirvana hit.
Millennials 1988: Age 19 when the iPhone debuted.

Your age relative to the mid-point makes you more relevant to the stereotype. Those who went on to post graduate studies stayed younger longer because they entered the workforce at a later year.

(04-03-2019 06:04 AM)miko33 Wrote:  GenX is the overlooked generation and we always will be simply due to the fact we are one of the smaller generations. The Millenials used to be called "GenY" until they were renamed. GenZ will be the same - probably something stupid like the "Smartphone Gen"... As you may have noticed - we GenX people STILL don't have an official name. If you're going to take anything away from that - it's we are not considered important when it comes to the advertisers. We're too small compared to the preceding and following generations to us.

My older brother and I were born solidly in the GenX range while my younger brother was at the very tail end - a 'Xennial" if you want to go that route. My parents are baby boomers - but born only a few years after the line dividing the silent generation and the boomers. It's not pertinent to this thread aside from stating that there's a lot more blurring at the tail ends of these generations and that a significant portion of any generation will have parents from the previous generation. It's not always a guaranteed skip of the generation. Also, the generation stuff is overblown and really is most meaningful if you're trying to compare the midpoints between generations. Otherwise, it's a giant continuous progression. It has nothing to do with innate differences between people born in different generations. It's all about how the world shaped people depending on when they were born.

I know the U.S. Baby Boomers are classically defined as people born 1946-64. I’ve never seen a consensus definition of GenX, although I assume I’m part of it.

This need to put labels on successive generations — was that a thing before 1950? I can’t find any evidence, but I don’t believe it was.

(04-05-2019 12:36 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  This need to put labels on successive generations — was that a thing before 1950? I can’t find any evidence, but I don’t believe it was.

That's because there wasn't as big of a push for studying demographics for marketing purposes.

People have always made comparisons between age groups and lamented the older or younger generations. You can find ancient Greek or Roman literature saying basically the same things that people are saying in this thread.

(03-26-2019 12:24 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 10:06 AM)debragga Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 10:41 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Millenials aren't even in college anymore or very few remain. They are in the workforce now. It's on to Generation Z now.

Depends on whose definition you use. The traditional students in college now were born between around 1995-2000, which is near the line of millennials/Gen Z. Most students older than that would be millennials.

The definition we used back at Missouri State doing research on the subject for marketing under grad work was as followed:

Greatest Generation 1910-1924
Silent Generation 1925-1944
Baby Boomers 1945-1964
Generation X 1965-1980
Millennials 1981-1995
Generation Z 1995-

I would say the Gen X / Millennial split should probably be around 1988 or so instead of 1980. For kids growing up, that's where the lifestyle really changed.

Basically computers, video games, internet, digital music, phones with buttons, remote controlled tvs, CDs, cable tv, etc all started becoming mainstream during the late 80s - for those born around 1988 or later, that's all they've ever known in their lives.

For us born in the early 1980s, we as kids used record players, cassette tapes, vhs, 8-track, rotary phones, dot matrix printers, typewriters, first experience with PCs usually were learning MSDOS when we were older elementary students / teens or with the first Apple computers (pre-iMac) dying from dysentery on the Oregon Trail game, and only had local channels unless you were rich. We also actually played outside in non-structured, unwatched environments as little kids, and dodgeball was played at gym class. Flying was expensive, and were torture because people smoked inside those planes. We rolled the windows down and had no seatbelts in the back seat of cars and airbags didn't exist. Our sports experiences on tv were watching Bird vs Magic in their primes in the NBA, the GOAT Joe Montana leading Niners to SBs, and the Yankees were nothing special while the Mets were the hot bad boys of sports. Big East football didn't exist yet but the basketball was good.

(04-05-2019 01:40 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 12:24 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 10:06 AM)debragga Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 10:41 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Millenials aren't even in college anymore or very few remain. They are in the workforce now. It's on to Generation Z now.

Depends on whose definition you use. The traditional students in college now were born between around 1995-2000, which is near the line of millennials/Gen Z. Most students older than that would be millennials.

The definition we used back at Missouri State doing research on the subject for marketing under grad work was as followed:

Greatest Generation 1910-1924
Silent Generation 1925-1944
Baby Boomers 1945-1964
Generation X 1965-1980
Millennials 1981-1995
Generation Z 1995-

I would say the Gen X / Millennial split should probably be around 1988 or so instead of 1980. For kids growing up, that's where the lifestyle really changed.

Basically computers, video games, internet, digital music, phones with buttons, remote controlled tvs, CDs, cable tv, etc all started becoming mainstream during the late 80s - for those born around 1988 or later, that's all they've ever known in their lives.

For us born in the early 1980s, we as kids used record players, cassette tapes, vhs, 8-track, rotary phones, dot matrix printers, typewriters, first experience with PCs usually were learning MSDOS when we were older elementary students / teens or with the first Apple computers (pre-iMac) dying from dysentery on the Oregon Trail game, and only had local channels unless you were rich. We also actually played outside in non-structured, unwatched environments as little kids, and dodgeball was played at gym class. Flying was expensive, and were torture because people smoked inside those planes. We rolled the windows down and had no seatbelts in the back seat of cars and airbags didn't exist. Our sports experiences on tv were watching Bird vs Magic in their primes in the NBA, the GOAT Joe Montana leading Niners to SBs, and the Yankees were nothing special while the Mets were the hot bad boys of sports. Big East football didn't exist yet but the basketball was good.

Kids born in 1988 used VHS, cassette, rotary, etc. Watched MJ with the Bulls. I think it's later than that. Those kids are 31 now.

Also, to whoever said Gen X raised Millennials, that's a lie. Boomers overwhelmingly raised Millennials, especially the ones born in the '80's.

(04-05-2019 02:20 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 01:40 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 12:24 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 10:06 AM)debragga Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 10:41 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Millenials aren't even in college anymore or very few remain. They are in the workforce now. It's on to Generation Z now.

Depends on whose definition you use. The traditional students in college now were born between around 1995-2000, which is near the line of millennials/Gen Z. Most students older than that would be millennials.

The definition we used back at Missouri State doing research on the subject for marketing under grad work was as followed:

Greatest Generation 1910-1924
Silent Generation 1925-1944
Baby Boomers 1945-1964
Generation X 1965-1980
Millennials 1981-1995
Generation Z 1995-

I would say the Gen X / Millennial split should probably be around 1988 or so instead of 1980. For kids growing up, that's where the lifestyle really changed.

Basically computers, video games, internet, digital music, phones with buttons, remote controlled tvs, CDs, cable tv, etc all started becoming mainstream during the late 80s - for those born around 1988 or later, that's all they've ever known in their lives.

For us born in the early 1980s, we as kids used record players, cassette tapes, vhs, 8-track, rotary phones, dot matrix printers, typewriters, first experience with PCs usually were learning MSDOS when we were older elementary students / teens or with the first Apple computers (pre-iMac) dying from dysentery on the Oregon Trail game, and only had local channels unless you were rich. We also actually played outside in non-structured, unwatched environments as little kids, and dodgeball was played at gym class. Flying was expensive, and were torture because people smoked inside those planes. We rolled the windows down and had no seatbelts in the back seat of cars and airbags didn't exist. Our sports experiences on tv were watching Bird vs Magic in their primes in the NBA, the GOAT Joe Montana leading Niners to SBs, and the Yankees were nothing special while the Mets were the hot bad boys of sports. Big East football didn't exist yet but the basketball was good.

Kids born in 1988 used VHS, cassette, rotary, etc. Watched MJ with the Bulls. I think it's later than that. Those kids are 31 now.

Also, to whoever said Gen X raised Millennials, that's a lie. Boomers overwhelmingly raised Millennials, especially the ones born in the '80's.

Yeah I get that but when they were experiencing those, those things had become the relics of the past already, who kids born in the early 80s were using them across the board globally. Basically kids who were born in 1988 by the time they were old enough to remember had PCs in their homes (if their family could afford it) and right when they could really use the PCs without parental guidance had the internet, and then had cell phones before they were adults basically. They basically never or barely experienced analog life, they were born into the digital age. I basically use that as the overwhelming definition of the separation of our generations - what I experienced as a little 80s kid was completely different that those that grew up in the 90s and on because of the seismic technological shift.

As far as whom raised whom, boomers raised the kids born in the 80s, and then Gen X basically raised the ones born in the digital era. All you have to do is the math - 1988/1990 minus 20 through 30s are parents born in the 60s through early 70s for the most part, and back in those days parents had a much higher rate of getting married and having children in their early to mid 20s unlike now where we are veering towards 30 to mid 30s.

I was born regrettably in 2005.

I don't remember anything before the Roku or Obamacare. I heard of the great recession from my grandfather who passed away at age 89 in 2013. He said that recession was scary times.

All the technology I've had in my hands was a replica PS2 controller to play some boring ass combat arms game.

I haven't had a meal that wasn't from Blue Apron since the time I was seven years old when my parents took us to Dave and Busters for my birthday. My mom got so drunk on tall beers she puked in the ladies bathroom that night.

(04-05-2019 01:40 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 12:24 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 10:06 AM)debragga Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 10:41 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Millenials aren't even in college anymore or very few remain. They are in the workforce now. It's on to Generation Z now.

Depends on whose definition you use. The traditional students in college now were born between around 1995-2000, which is near the line of millennials/Gen Z. Most students older than that would be millennials.

The definition we used back at Missouri State doing research on the subject for marketing under grad work was as followed:

Greatest Generation 1910-1924
Silent Generation 1925-1944
Baby Boomers 1945-1964
Generation X 1965-1980
Millennials 1981-1995
Generation Z 1995-

I would say the Gen X / Millennial split should probably be around 1988 or so instead of 1980. For kids growing up, that's where the lifestyle really changed.

Basically computers, video games, internet, digital music, phones with buttons, remote controlled tvs, CDs, cable tv, etc all started becoming mainstream during the late 80s - for those born around 1988 or later, that's all they've ever known in their lives.

For us born in the early 1980s, we as kids used record players, cassette tapes, vhs, 8-track, rotary phones, dot matrix printers, typewriters, first experience with PCs usually were learning MSDOS when we were older elementary students / teens or with the first Apple computers (pre-iMac) dying from dysentery on the Oregon Trail game, and only had local channels unless you were rich. We also actually played outside in non-structured, unwatched environments as little kids, and dodgeball was played at gym class. Flying was expensive, and were torture because people smoked inside those planes. We rolled the windows down and had no seatbelts in the back seat of cars and airbags didn't exist. Our sports experiences on tv were watching Bird vs Magic in their primes in the NBA, the GOAT Joe Montana leading Niners to SBs, and the Yankees were nothing special while the Mets were the hot bad boys of sports. Big East football didn't exist yet but the basketball was good.

I would say 1982. Those would be seniors in HS in 2000 (hence millennial)

Kids born in the mid 80s are solidly in the millennial category

(04-07-2019 09:35 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 01:40 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 12:24 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 10:06 AM)debragga Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 10:41 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Millenials aren't even in college anymore or very few remain. They are in the workforce now. It's on to Generation Z now.

Depends on whose definition you use. The traditional students in college now were born between around 1995-2000, which is near the line of millennials/Gen Z. Most students older than that would be millennials.

The definition we used back at Missouri State doing research on the subject for marketing under grad work was as followed:

Greatest Generation 1910-1924
Silent Generation 1925-1944
Baby Boomers 1945-1964
Generation X 1965-1980
Millennials 1981-1995
Generation Z 1995-

I would say the Gen X / Millennial split should probably be around 1988 or so instead of 1980. For kids growing up, that's where the lifestyle really changed.

Basically computers, video games, internet, digital music, phones with buttons, remote controlled tvs, CDs, cable tv, etc all started becoming mainstream during the late 80s - for those born around 1988 or later, that's all they've ever known in their lives.

For us born in the early 1980s, we as kids used record players, cassette tapes, vhs, 8-track, rotary phones, dot matrix printers, typewriters, first experience with PCs usually were learning MSDOS when we were older elementary students / teens or with the first Apple computers (pre-iMac) dying from dysentery on the Oregon Trail game, and only had local channels unless you were rich. We also actually played outside in non-structured, unwatched environments as little kids, and dodgeball was played at gym class. Flying was expensive, and were torture because people smoked inside those planes. We rolled the windows down and had no seatbelts in the back seat of cars and airbags didn't exist. Our sports experiences on tv were watching Bird vs Magic in their primes in the NBA, the GOAT Joe Montana leading Niners to SBs, and the Yankees were nothing special while the Mets were the hot bad boys of sports. Big East football didn't exist yet but the basketball was good.

I would say 1982. Those would be seniors in HS in 2000 (hence millennial)

Kids born in the mid 80s are solidly in the millennial category

Yes the senior class of 2000 was the start of the millennials in the definition that we used. With the first full group being the Class of 2003, those born in 1984/85 considering they started school in 1990.