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RE: Thoughts on the "Recent Unpleasantness" or Huge/Shaver Thread #27
(04-01-2019 01:16 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 12:36 PM)Tribfan Wrote:  Why would a top asst at a top basketball program accept the HC job at W&M.

Because he wants to be a D1 head coach. Because he's from and knows the state. Because he knows how to recruit academic kids. Because its probably a pay raise.

Quote:It’s a huge career risk/suicide to downgrade to a one bid conference, and especially at a historically bad program that will require a complete rebuild.
I don't think he, or many coaches, view the CAA as a downgrade. If anything, it has been a stepping stone for career advancement. I believe whoever the new coach is feels confident that they can lure back the kids sticking their toes in the transfer portal. And if not, they will feel confident in bringing in the talent they want.

Quote:We need little known candidates, eg DIII, flying under the radar who won’t damage their brand by coming here.
I'm not against promoting a talented D3 coach, but I don't think we are focused on that level anymore.

Quote:Unfortunately our AD is incapable of finding such candidates, and even if she could her misplaced ego may not let her.
Let go of your hate. You can dislike her decision to move on from Shaver, but you have no idea on her true motivations, industry connections, or ability to negotiate a new hire.

Mr. J, you should change your name to Mr. Kool-Aid.
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RE: Thoughts on the "Recent Unpleasantness" or Huge/Shaver Thread #27
(04-01-2019 01:44 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 11:26 AM)Tribal Wrote:  It's NOT that Shaver was fired. It's that he was fired now...a year too early, if at all. Huge fired him just before we would've been top 2 in the preseason poll with all starters, a 7 footer, and a stud rookie on the roster. We have gone from CAAT contenders to a dumster fire based on an ill-informed, emotional, and disastrous decision.

Had we failed to make the Dance next season, most of us would've been fine with Tony's dismissal.

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If Shaver had not been fired, how confident are we to think that everyone would have chosen to return?

Logically, you would think that if guys planned to leave(i.e if it was a player mutiny), then they would stay now. I think there is one exception to that rule. I remain skeptical of that whole theory. However, unlike some that post here, I can admit when I am wrong. Perhaps it will be proven the case in the near future. It is also very possible that none of the players wanted the coach gone, but now are merely hoping to still be able to play basketball somewhere. Clearly, there were some people that wanted Coach Shaver gone regardless of the potential immediate outcome. It will be more palatable to the fans willing to ignore that decision if the new coach has great success in 2019-2020 and gets the guys to return.

I look forward to being proven wrong when the new hire is announced, all players return, and the team has great success this coming year. Given all the potential defections in the CAA, it is currently hard to even imagine what the opposition will look like.

But, I doubt I will be watching much basketball this winter. My heart just isn't in it.
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RE: Thoughts on the "Recent Unpleasantness" or Huge/Shaver Thread #27
(04-01-2019 03:10 PM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 01:16 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 12:36 PM)Tribfan Wrote:  Why would a top asst at a top basketball program accept the HC job at W&M.

Because he wants to be a D1 head coach. Because he's from and knows the state. Because he knows how to recruit academic kids. Because its probably a pay raise.

Quote:It’s a huge career risk/suicide to downgrade to a one bid conference, and especially at a historically bad program that will require a complete rebuild.
I don't think he, or many coaches, view the CAA as a downgrade. If anything, it has been a stepping stone for career advancement. I believe whoever the new coach is feels confident that they can lure back the kids sticking their toes in the transfer portal. And if not, they will feel confident in bringing in the talent they want.

Quote:We need little known candidates, eg DIII, flying under the radar who won’t damage their brand by coming here.
I'm not against promoting a talented D3 coach, but I don't think we are focused on that level anymore.

Quote:Unfortunately our AD is incapable of finding such candidates, and even if she could her misplaced ego may not let her.
Let go of your hate. You can dislike her decision to move on from Shaver, but you have no idea on her true motivations, industry connections, or ability to negotiate a new hire.

Mr. J, you should change your name to Mr. Kool-Aid.
Kool aid, really? Is that because I haven't gone all-in on bashing people and events that you and I don't truly know anything about? I've never said that I wanted Shaver fired. I also don't think it is impossible that Huge makes a great hire. These aren't mutually exclusive. At least wait until there is meaningful news or developments to lash out. I get the feeling that many on this board would be happier for the new coach to crash and burn than succeed. Sorry, that ain't me.
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RE: Thoughts on the "Recent Unpleasantness" or Huge/Shaver Thread #27
(04-01-2019 04:03 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 03:10 PM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 01:16 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 12:36 PM)Tribfan Wrote:  Why would a top asst at a top basketball program accept the HC job at W&M.

Because he wants to be a D1 head coach. Because he's from and knows the state. Because he knows how to recruit academic kids. Because its probably a pay raise.

Quote:It’s a huge career risk/suicide to downgrade to a one bid conference, and especially at a historically bad program that will require a complete rebuild.
I don't think he, or many coaches, view the CAA as a downgrade. If anything, it has been a stepping stone for career advancement. I believe whoever the new coach is feels confident that they can lure back the kids sticking their toes in the transfer portal. And if not, they will feel confident in bringing in the talent they want.

Quote:We need little known candidates, eg DIII, flying under the radar who won’t damage their brand by coming here.
I'm not against promoting a talented D3 coach, but I don't think we are focused on that level anymore.

Quote:Unfortunately our AD is incapable of finding such candidates, and even if she could her misplaced ego may not let her.
Let go of your hate. You can dislike her decision to move on from Shaver, but you have no idea on her true motivations, industry connections, or ability to negotiate a new hire.

Mr. J, you should change your name to Mr. Kool-Aid.
Kool aid, really? Is that because I haven't gone all-in on bashing people and events that you and I don't truly know anything about? I've never said that I wanted Shaver fired. I also don't think it is impossible that Huge makes a great hire. These aren't mutually exclusive. At least wait until there is meaningful news or developments to lash out. I get the feeling that many on this board would be happier for the new coach to crash and burn than succeed. Sorry, that ain't me.

+1

Also I enjoy that to some on this board, merely waiting to formulate a fixed opinion on this whole saga until we actually learn who the coach is going to be is drinking the Kool Aid but the magical assumption that every single player was guaranteed to be back next year and we were going to be preseason favorites and be a lock to win the conference and go to the tourney… somehow isn’t?
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Thoughts on the "Recent Unpleasantness" or Huge/Shaver Thread #27
Two weeks ago, it was "Well Pierce was going to leave anyway!" Now, it's "We were probably going to lose a few anyway." Y'all won't admit Huge screwed up until...well, never.

Fact is, Shaver was fired following an ill-advised "vision" and now we don't have a coach and our best players/All-Met recruit are looking to jet.

So sad.

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RE: Thoughts on the "Recent Unpleasantness" or Huge/Shaver Thread #27
(04-01-2019 07:36 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Fact is, Shaver was fired following an ill-advised "vision" and now we don't have a coach and our best players/All-Met recruit are looking to jet.

So sad.

Fact is, Shaver was fired and now we don't have a coach. The rest is conjecture. I mean, this is a W&M board; of course someone's going to call you on that.
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RE: Thoughts on the "Recent Unpleasantness" or Huge/Shaver Thread #27
(04-01-2019 07:36 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Two weeks ago, it was "Well Pierce was going to leave anyway!" Now, it's "We were probably going to lose a few anyway." Y'all won't admit Huge screwed up until...well, never.

Fact is, Shaver was fired following an ill-advised "vision" and now we don't have a coach and our best players/All-Met recruit are looking to jet.

So sad.

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I mean I've said consistently from the start that I disagree with the decision, so...

But a very vocal few here are determined to paint everyone who's in the relative middle on this (those who were not at all in favor of firing Shaver, but also recognize that there was at least an argument to be made for that and don't necessarily believe Huge is an evil liberal arts professor out to fire every white male in Williamsburg) as crazed Huge apologists. I know it's not trendy, but it's ok to not have a knee jerk opinion and wait and see what happens!
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RE: Thoughts on the "Recent Unpleasantness" or Huge/Shaver Thread #27
(04-01-2019 07:48 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 07:36 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Fact is, Shaver was fired following an ill-advised "vision" and now we don't have a coach and our best players/All-Met recruit are looking to jet.

So sad.

Fact is, Shaver was fired and now we don't have a coach. The rest is conjecture. I mean, this is a W&M board; of course someone's going to call you on that.

Our best players and prize recruit aren't looking to jet? Really, because the last I checked, every single last one of them either entered the transfer portal, entered their name for the NBA draft, and/or suddenly removed any mention of W&M. That's not conjecture. Over the past 80 years, how many Tribe players opened themselves up for transfer but stayed? Good gawd, Knight, Milon, Pierce, Audige, and Loewe publicly stated they are exploring other options. This time last year, they wanted to be here.

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(04-01-2019 08:21 PM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 07:36 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Two weeks ago, it was "Well Pierce was going to leave anyway!" Now, it's "We were probably going to lose a few anyway." Y'all won't admit Huge screwed up until...well, never.

Fact is, Shaver was fired following an ill-advised "vision" and now we don't have a coach and our best players/All-Met recruit are looking to jet.

So sad.

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I mean I've said consistently from the start that I disagree with the decision, so...

But a very vocal few here are determined to paint everyone who's in the relative middle on this (those who were not at all in favor of firing Shaver, but also recognize that there was at least an argument to be made for that and don't necessarily believe Huge is an evil liberal arts professor out to fire every white male in Williamsburg) as crazed Huge apologists. I know it's not trendy, but it's ok to not have a knee jerk opinion and wait and see what happens!

Thank you
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RE: Thoughts on the "Recent Unpleasantness" or Huge/Shaver Thread #27
(04-01-2019 08:21 PM)Tribal Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 07:48 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 07:36 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Fact is, Shaver was fired following an ill-advised "vision" and now we don't have a coach and our best players/All-Met recruit are looking to jet.

So sad.

Fact is, Shaver was fired and now we don't have a coach. The rest is conjecture. I mean, this is a W&M board; of course someone's going to call you on that.

Our best players and prize recruit aren't looking to jet? Really, because the last I checked, every single last one of them either entered the transfer portal, entered their name for the NBA draft, and/or suddenly removed any mention of W&M. That's not conjecture. Over the past 80 years, how many Tribe players opened themselves up for transfer but stayed? Good gawd, Knight, Milon, Pierce, Audige, and Loewe publicly stated they are exploring other options. This time last year, they wanted to be here.

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Exploring options is not looking to jet. How many of the past 80 years have has a transfer portal existed? Words have meanings, and as Tribe2011 said above, everything isn't all or nothing. Those players might still want to be here, but are preparing to not be here if it's a bad situation for them. It can be both things.

My department has been bought by 4-5 different companies. Each time, I tidied up my resume because it would be foolish not to. Change brings uncertainties, and it makes sense to prepare yourself for different outcomes. All we know is that the players have entered the portal, we don't know that they're gone. They might be, but they also might not be. As far as I know, nobody's left campus.
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RE: Thoughts on the "Recent Unpleasantness" or Huge/Shaver Thread #27
The problem as I see it is that a coach was fired because of a failure to make the NCAA tournament. The prevailing logic is that a different coach can take WM over the proverbial hump.

Now there could be several flaws in this logic, the first being, that maybe that CAA CG against Delaware is the high water mark for the foreseeable future for WM Mens basketball. The second that perhaps the school overplayed its hand in the attractiveness of the Mens Basketball program. Think about it, it is a program with little success, its historically greatest win is several decades ago, BUT seemed to be poised to perhaps finally crack through next year (on paper anyway).

Now that is all up in the air, and the longer the program goes without naming a coach, the odds increase that a lot of the players who were going to be part of next years team will depart.

The fact of the matter is, WM men's hoops is an average program (and give Tony Shaver credit, because it was a poor program when he inherited it), that plays in a bottom feeder one bid conference (remember when the CAA was considered the best mid-tier conference?).

So ask yourself this question do you "shake" things up and bring in a perceived better coach if you can even attract one? Or do you let this play out and see what next season brings, under the stability of the coach who at least made the program somewhat viable?

Seems to me a problem, a very big problem was created without any reason, and now WM is the epitome of the song "Don't know what you got, till its gone" (that is a song right? or is that the lyric in a song?)
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RE: Thoughts on the "Recent Unpleasantness" or Huge/Shaver Thread #27
(04-02-2019 09:19 AM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  The problem as I see it is that a coach was fired because of a failure to make the NCAA tournament. The prevailing logic is that a different coach can take WM over the proverbial hump.

Now there could be several flaws in this logic, the first being, that maybe that CAA CG against Delaware is the high water mark for the foreseeable future for WM Mens basketball. The second that perhaps the school overplayed its hand in the attractiveness of the Mens Basketball program. Think about it, it is a program with little success, its historically greatest win is several decades ago, BUT seemed to be poised to perhaps finally crack through next year (on paper anyway).

Now that is all up in the air, and the longer the program goes without naming a coach, the odds increase that a lot of the players who were going to be part of next years team will depart.

The fact of the matter is, WM men's hoops is an average program (and give Tony Shaver credit, because it was a poor program when he inherited it), that plays in a bottom feeder one bid conference (remember when the CAA was considered the best mid-tier conference?).

So ask yourself this question do you "shake" things up and bring in a perceived better coach if you can even attract one? Or do you let this play out and see what next season brings, under the stability of the coach who at least made the program somewhat viable?

Seems to me a problem, a very big problem was created without any reason, and now WM is the epitome of the song "Don't know what you got, till its gone" (that is a song right? or is that the lyric in a song?)
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(04-02-2019 07:43 AM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 08:21 PM)Tribal Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 07:48 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 07:36 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Fact is, Shaver was fired following an ill-advised "vision" and now we don't have a coach and our best players/All-Met recruit are looking to jet.

So sad.

Fact is, Shaver was fired and now we don't have a coach. The rest is conjecture. I mean, this is a W&M board; of course someone's going to call you on that.

Our best players and prize recruit aren't looking to jet? Really, because the last I checked, every single last one of them either entered the transfer portal, entered their name for the NBA draft, and/or suddenly removed any mention of W&M. That's not conjecture. Over the past 80 years, how many Tribe players opened themselves up for transfer but stayed? Good gawd, Knight, Milon, Pierce, Audige, and Loewe publicly stated they are exploring other options. This time last year, they wanted to be here.

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Exploring options is not looking to jet. How many of the past 80 years have has a transfer portal existed? Words have meanings, and as Tribe2011 said above, everything isn't all or nothing. Those players might still want to be here, but are preparing to not be here if it's a bad situation for them. It can be both things.

My department has been bought by 4-5 different companies. Each time, I tidied up my resume because it would be foolish not to. Change brings uncertainties, and it makes sense to prepare yourself for different outcomes. All we know is that the players have entered the portal, we don't know that they're gone. They might be, but they also might not be. As far as I know, nobody's left campus.

Leaving a job or transferring from a school is a two step process. First you mentally leave and then you physically leave. Of course no one has physically left the school/basketball program yet, which leaves room for hope. However, there is no denying that Huge's decision to fire Shaver has led a number of players to explore their options, and mentally envision themselves somewhere else. Funny thing about opportunities, when you go looking you're very likely to find one. It's open season on our players and former commitment/incoming freshman. The mere fact these kids are rightly exploring their options, and being courted by other schools, makes it very likely some or all will end up finding a fit somewhere else. I really hope I'm wrong and a new coach is named soon and swoops in to fix this mess, but I don't see how this all gets put back together at this point.

The posters saying or suggesting there was a pending player mutiny that Huge was heading off need to provide some shred of evidence or stop smearing Shaver with conjecture.

If you go back over Shaver's 16 years at WM, he probably has the lowest rate of players transferring out of any coach/program in the CAA. Yet, we are to believe that a team that finished the season on a 5 or 6 game winning streak to end league play and didn't quit on the season or coach, was falling apart behind the scenes?

And yes, I can't claim that if Shaver was retained that no player would have left. But, I can claim will equal confidence that if Shaver had been retained we would not be looking at a mass exodus and potentially replacing six of our best players and the entire starting lineup. This is fact.

You also can't tell me that any potential hire isn't going to weigh the fact that all our best players are currently exploring options and being actively recruited by bigger programs in their decision making process.

Regardless of the ultimate outcome this was a foreseeable and unforced error that showed poor judgement and a lack of understanding of what is to coach a WM basketball program in the context of the resources alloted, academic standards, and the lack of basketball pedigree. I get it, if you have a P5 mindset of virtually unlimited resources and blue-blood basketball pedigree, then 16 years without making the dance is unacceptable. But, WM isn't name brand, we can't fire a very good coach and expect to lean on the historical strength of the program, name recognition, and conference affiliation to land a better coach and recruits. Shaver built the program up to the point where we had sustained success, but it took the better part of a decade to get to that point, starting from vapor. If this hire goes poorly, it could be another decade before we get back to the place we were 3 weeks ago. This is what Huge failed to realize before making her decision IMO. The fact that she did not anticipate the fan backlash supports this point.

I will be rooting for the new hire, whoever it ends up being. If next season is successful and WM goes dancing sometime in the next 5 years then Huge should get ample credit, though I will never agree with the decision not to let Shaver coach this team next year before making the call. If this program takes a big step back and fails to make the tournament in the next five years, then Huge should hold herself accountable to the same standard she held coach Shaver and resign.
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90, I respect you a lot, but I didn't read your post. I wasn't getting into finer points of what anyone's thinking, just disputing that it's a fact that any player is transferring at this time.
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(04-02-2019 10:42 AM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  90, I respect you a lot, but I didn't read your post. I wasn't getting into finer points of what anyone's thinking, just disputing that it's a fact that any player is transferring at this time.

That's fair, I did set out to respond narrowly to your post, but the post took on a life of its own. Apologies for the novel. Respect your opinions and posts too.

To narrowly respond to your post, I would say yes, it's fact that no players have left. I think its also factual to say the mere exercise of players looking and exploring options greatly increases the odds of them leaving. Huge should have included that in her calculus if she did not.
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RE: Thoughts on the "Recent Unpleasantness" or Huge/Shaver Thread #27
I've read every post on all the Shaver/New Coach/Transferring Players threads.

Nobody was a bigger Shaver supporter than me and I'll always be upset at this firing.

But the ship has sailed and threads like this continue to pound the same rock with versions of the same rhetoric.

I'm going to the media conference today to meet our new coach. So far I like very much what I've read about him.
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(04-03-2019 05:44 AM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  I've read every post on all the Shaver/New Coach/Transferring Players threads.

Nobody was a bigger Shaver supporter than me and I'll always be upset at this firing.

But the ship has sailed and threads like this continue to pound the same rock with versions of the same rhetoric.

I'm going to the media conference today to meet our new coach. So far I like very much what I've read about him.

You are really into censorship.

For several weeks, several posters indicated that they were holding off on their final verdicts until the new coach was named. He was named less than 24 hours ago, and you want to move on. Nope.

Looking forward to your hard-hitting questions to Huge that I posted on another thread. Dinner at Anna Brick Oven Pizza on me ... you can regale me with all of your fond memories of Tony’s gatherings there.

The only ship that has sailed is Tony’s ship, and clearly you’ve jumped off. Some of us will never leave that ship ... never.
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RE: Thoughts on the "Recent Unpleasantness" or Huge/Shaver Thread #27
(04-02-2019 09:19 AM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  The problem as I see it is that a coach was fired because of a failure to make the NCAA tournament. The prevailing logic is that a different coach can take WM over the proverbial hump.

Now there could be several flaws in this logic, the first being, that maybe that CAA CG against Delaware is the high water mark for the foreseeable future for WM Mens basketball. The second that perhaps the school overplayed its hand in the attractiveness of the Mens Basketball program. Think about it, it is a program with little success, its historically greatest win is several decades ago, BUT seemed to be poised to perhaps finally crack through next year (on paper anyway).

Now that is all up in the air, and the longer the program goes without naming a coach, the odds increase that a lot of the players who were going to be part of next years team will depart.

The fact of the matter is, WM men's hoops is an average program (and give Tony Shaver credit, because it was a poor program when he inherited it), that plays in a bottom feeder one bid conference (remember when the CAA was considered the best mid-tier conference?).

So ask yourself this question do you "shake" things up and bring in a perceived better coach if you can even attract one? Or do you let this play out and see what next season brings, under the stability of the coach who at least made the program somewhat viable?

Seems to me a problem, a very big problem was created without any reason, and now WM is the epitome of the song "Don't know what you got, till its gone" (that is a song right? or is that the lyric in a song?)

A very measured, and intelligent summary of where we are. Accurate.
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RE: Thoughts on the "Recent Unpleasantness" or Huge/Shaver Thread #27
(04-02-2019 09:19 AM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  The problem as I see it is that a coach was fired because of a failure to make the NCAA tournament. The prevailing logic is that a different coach can take WM over the proverbial hump.

Now there could be several flaws in this logic, the first being, that maybe that CAA CG against Delaware is the high water mark for the foreseeable future for WM Mens basketball. The second that perhaps the school overplayed its hand in the attractiveness of the Mens Basketball program. Think about it, it is a program with little success, its historically greatest win is several decades ago, BUT seemed to be poised to perhaps finally crack through next year (on paper anyway).

Now that is all up in the air, and the longer the program goes without naming a coach, the odds increase that a lot of the players who were going to be part of next years team will depart.

The fact of the matter is, WM men's hoops is an average program (and give Tony Shaver credit, because it was a poor program when he inherited it), that plays in a bottom feeder one bid conference (remember when the CAA was considered the best mid-tier conference?).

So ask yourself this question do you "shake" things up and bring in a perceived better coach if you can even attract one? Or do you let this play out and see what next season brings, under the stability of the coach who at least made the program somewhat viable?

Seems to me a problem, a very big problem was created without any reason, and now WM is the epitome of the song "Don't know what you got, till its gone" (that is a song right? or is that the lyric in a song?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2595abcvh2M
04-03-2019 10:03 AM
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