(03-24-2019 03:45 PM)emu79 Wrote:  How much does each MAC team earn for each round Buffalo progresses? Wonder if that figure in Buy-out Options?

Not a factor.

I posted a Washington Post article which explains what conferences get from the tourney with the so called 'units' (wins) on the main MAC board.

I'll re-post it here.

Bottom line, in a conference like the MAC, I'm fairly sure the conference keeps the money to operate. If there is extra money from units it might be distributed to the schools through some formula e.g., academics, etc.

EDIT:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/...caa-money/

UB earned the MAC 1.67M payable over a 6 year period so it comes out to 24K per MAC team per year. 24,000 x 12 x 6 = 1.7M.

That ASSUMES the MAC ops to distribute those extra monies to the schools.

(03-23-2019 11:25 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 11:16 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  I wish we could get back to the days where EMU recruited HS kids with a few JUCOs sprinkled in. I'd especially like to see kids from kids from within 3 hours of EMU. Ramsey did the same as Murphy when he got desperate, just go for the quick fix.

We are only two years removed from the Ellison and McAdoo class, plus Groce in a unique transfer situation. All three guys played in Metro Detroit, and we are dreading the upcoming season where those guys will be focal points.

I'm all about recruiting the best 4-year players we can, but Michigan might not be the best place for it. Two of Murphy's three best (and only) 4-year recruits came from out of state, where there is less of the "EMU-stigma" that almost certainly haunts us when recruiting against the other mid majors in Michigan.

And I definitely wouldn't mind less JUCO's either, but that's probably Murphy's only chance to save his job, so we will see several in this class.

Damned solid analysis Sam. Also we got Ty Groce as a "gift" rather than as a recruiting coup. We are what we are, Murphy is not going to develop 2-3 star prospects into great players, eight years of history proves that. There ain't no Maxx Crosby's in our BB program. Let Rob scour the JC ranks for next year's players and keep us semi-respectable while not committing us to prospects like Derek Ballard for four years.

I don't, however, agree with your assessment of Parris. He is now our best ball handler and he is the fastest kid on the team. I realize that I sound like a broken record but the ONLY players on this year's team that mirror Buffalo's athletic ability were Groce and Parris.

(03-24-2019 07:36 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 11:25 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 11:16 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  I wish we could get back to the days where EMU recruited HS kids with a few JUCOs sprinkled in. I'd especially like to see kids from kids from within 3 hours of EMU. Ramsey did the same as Murphy when he got desperate, just go for the quick fix.

We are only two years removed from the Ellison and McAdoo class, plus Groce in a unique transfer situation. All three guys played in Metro Detroit, and we are dreading the upcoming season where those guys will be focal points.

I'm all about recruiting the best 4-year players we can, but Michigan might not be the best place for it. Two of Murphy's three best (and only) 4-year recruits came from out of state, where there is less of the "EMU-stigma" that almost certainly haunts us when recruiting against the other mid majors in Michigan.

And I definitely wouldn't mind less JUCO's either, but that's probably Murphy's only chance to save his job, so we will see several in this class.

Damned solid analysis Sam. Also we got Ty Groce as a "gift" rather than as a recruiting coup. We are what we are, Murphy is not going to develop 2-3 star prospects into great players, eight years of history proves that. There ain't no Maxx Crosby's in our BB program. Let Rob scour the JC ranks for next year's players and keep us semi-respectable while not committing us to prospects like Derek Ballard for four years.

I don't, however, agree with your assessment of Parris. He is now our best ball handler and he is the fastest kid on the team. I realize that I sound like a broken record but the ONLY players on this year's team that mirror Buffalo's athletic ability were Groce and Parris.

Ellison is a better ball handler than Parris. Offense threat no, but definitely best ball handler.


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He also is a pass first PG, Parris just jacks up shots.

Whose the pre-season MAC favorites for next year? Buffalo loses everyone (maybe even a coach)

(03-25-2019 07:23 AM)fanfrompowellspub Wrote:  Whose the pre-season MAC favorites for next year? Buffalo loses everyone (maybe even a coach)

I know who it wont be.

My guess is UT or Kent.

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(03-25-2019 07:22 AM)JonesGoddard Wrote:  He also is a pass first PG, Parris just jacks up shots.

Good coaching can fix that.

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(03-23-2019 10:32 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Why couldn't Eastern have the foresight to hire Nate Oats when he was just down Michigan Ave at Romulus? Imagine how things would be different at EMU. The one that got away.

Nate Oats took over a Buffalo program fresh off their first NCAA appearance, and after routine CBI and CIT appearances. If you want Nate Oats' success, you should probably go get Reggie Witherspoon. He's the one who actually built that program.

(03-25-2019 01:26 PM)Block_E Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 10:32 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Why couldn't Eastern have the foresight to hire Nate Oats when he was just down Michigan Ave at Romulus? Imagine how things would be different at EMU. The one that got away.

Nate Oats took over a Buffalo program fresh off their first NCAA appearance, and after routine CBI and CIT appearances. If you want Nate Oats' success, you should probably go get Reggie Witherspoon. He's the one who actually built that program.

This is tricky. Reggie Witherspoon was the long time UB coach. Then Bobby Hurley took over for two years (before going to Arizona State) and then Oats moved over from an asst to HC.

Oats took over a team which had gone 25 - 11 in the MAC over two seasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Hurley

Witherspoon was fired after going 7-9 in MAC play, despite going 40-24 in the prior three seasons. Buffalo knew they had to make a move to get over that hump, and that meant firing a coach with a middling record and no NCAA appearances in his 14 years on the job. Hopefully, we realize the same.

(03-25-2019 03:29 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Witherspoon was fired after going 7-9 in MAC play, despite going 40-24 in the prior three seasons. Buffalo knew they had to make a move to get over that hump, and that meant firing a coach with a middling record and no NCAA appearances in his 14 years on the job. Hopefully, we realize the same.

Well -- let's not wait 14 years.

(03-25-2019 03:29 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Witherspoon was fired after going 7-9 in MAC play, despite going 40-24 in the prior three seasons. Buffalo knew they had to make a move to get over that hump, and that meant firing a coach with a middling record and no NCAA appearances in his 14 years on the job. Hopefully, we realize the same.

They were very, very lucky for getting him for say $250K when hired what six years ago.

Hurley made the move from Rhode Island to UB. Then got a raise and then moved to Arizona State. He is now making over 2M per year.

(03-25-2019 03:36 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 03:29 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Witherspoon was fired after going 7-9 in MAC play, despite going 40-24 in the prior three seasons. Buffalo knew they had to make a move to get over that hump, and that meant firing a coach with a middling record and no NCAA appearances in his 14 years on the job. Hopefully, we realize the same.

Well -- let's not wait 14 years.

Oh, for sure. And it was clear Buffalo gave him a chance after a terrible first few seasons, and he turned the program around. But he hit the proverbial ceiling in the middle of his tenure, and it never got better.

Murphy has given us a very high floor. We are never bottom feeders in the MAC, and I don't expect that to change, even with a brand new roster. However, our ceiling is almost as low as that floor, and that's why a change is necessary. It's risky, but it worked for Buffalo, and my hope is that it works for us.

Gee wouldnt be nice to ADD a player?

(03-25-2019 03:48 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 03:29 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Witherspoon was fired after going 7-9 in MAC play, despite going 40-24 in the prior three seasons. Buffalo knew they had to make a move to get over that hump, and that meant firing a coach with a middling record and no NCAA appearances in his 14 years on the job. Hopefully, we realize the same.

They were very, very lucky for getting him for say $250K when hired what six years ago.

Hurley made the move from Rhode Island to UB. Then got a raise and then moved to Arizona State. He is now making over 2M per year.

They hit a home run on a "name" with limited coaching experience. That is playing with fire, because many great former players end up being awful coaches. Good for Buffalo that it worked out, but I'd prefer someone with head coaching experience, at any level of college, to be our next hire.

(03-25-2019 03:54 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 03:48 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 03:29 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Witherspoon was fired after going 7-9 in MAC play, despite going 40-24 in the prior three seasons. Buffalo knew they had to make a move to get over that hump, and that meant firing a coach with a middling record and no NCAA appearances in his 14 years on the job. Hopefully, we realize the same.

They were very, very lucky for getting him for say $250K when hired what six years ago.

Hurley made the move from Rhode Island to UB. Then got a raise and then moved to Arizona State. He is now making over 2M per year.

They hit a home run on a "name" with limited coaching experience. That is playing with fire, because many great former players end up being awful coaches. Good for Buffalo that it worked out, but I'd prefer someone with head coaching experience, at any level of college, to be our next hire.

Absolutely. I agree 100%.

P.S. I'm happy for UB and happy for the MAC. UB has raised the profile of MAC MBB (and MAC's WBB is on a nice upswing too, with the help, again, of UB).

UB's success will help all of the MAC teams. I hope the schools with some lose coin sitting in the safe will spend more $ on MBB now that the conference's profile is on the upswing.

UB drew really good crowds at home and on the road in the MAC. Nothing better for the MAC then seeing a full arena for a UB game.

Just met Mike taily at the convo. He applying for a ast coaching job here

Updated List of Returning Scholarship Players:
-Boubacar Toure
-Kevin McAdoo
-Damari Parris
-Jalen King
-Ty Groce

8 scholarships to play with.

(03-26-2019 11:36 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  Just met Mike taily at the convo. He applying for a ast coaching job here

That's interesting. Is there an opening? Or hm there may be an opening? Isn't or wasn't his dad a coach? Mike Jr was like having a coach on the floor when he played here. I wish he had been on our last year's team.

Agreed on Talley's high basketball IQ, 79.

Yeah, that is interesting. Maybe he's interviewing for a GA position? Or is an assistant coach departing? WBB assistant coach?