(03-26-2019 03:02 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

Quote:I have just never seen the POTUS act as crassly, petulantly, or with as little couth as this one.

Okay, may I make a suggestion, king king?

I'm going to say the OBVIOUS one to read up on is Lyndon B. Johnson. You think Trump is crass and has no couth? Go read what people said about LBJ. He makes Trump look like a B-grade insulter with some of the things said about that man.

Read up on the "liberal's icon" FDR.... (while in public, he was said to be the perfect president; in private - the writings about just how MEAN and CONNIVING he could be was AMAZING)

Not to mention some of the stories about our founding father presidents..

You only just know about it with Trump because there's social media...

I would say that publicly Trump is by far the worst I've seen. I don't know how they are behind the scenes.

But I agree with the OP that the left has gone off their rocker. With a centrist candidate I could vote for a Dem candidate since I lean that way. But none of the far left people. I don't know what they're thinking.

Trump is about as crass and blount as they come in public.

Trump is about as charming as they get in private.

Which is the exact opposite of politicians in general, hence Trump.

Yeah I was gonna say I know what is said about LBJ. It's just that most of what he said was behind closed doors so it's basically hearsay for him.

Trump is overt almost to the point of it being purely on purpose. And that's what I don't get. However, at this point he's the best thing going (ugh).

(03-23-2019 12:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 09:20 AM)king king Wrote:  Well to be fair, no president is truly responsible for the economy. There's a gazillion other factors that go into that that he just gets a titular benefit from for being the head of the country. Economic upswings come and go the same as presidents do.

True....

But it is not even debatable that Obama's often repeated comments that the stimulus would eventually be 'paid for' by corporations and wealthy individuals resulted in them engaging in short-term investments rather than the 'shovel-ready' infrastructure we were promised... and of course to make matters worse, he never made good on those promises (because President Obama was somewhat smarter than Candidate Obama) meaning it was a huge gift to the wealthy

What I'm saying is that the President CAN influence economic actions making them better or worse...

but it is entirely true that 'the economy' is made up of millions of people who are all pretty good and finding ways to make profits despite what the government does.

The problem with that the Republicans were not on board spending for infrastructure spending to fix our roads, rails, bridges and all that. The Tea Party crowd would primary Republicans who would vote for those shovel ready jobs on infrastructures. Now, the Republicans are on board because Trump wants the shovel ready jobs.

(03-26-2019 06:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 12:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 09:20 AM)king king Wrote:  Well to be fair, no president is truly responsible for the economy. There's a gazillion other factors that go into that that he just gets a titular benefit from for being the head of the country. Economic upswings come and go the same as presidents do.

True....

But it is not even debatable that Obama's often repeated comments that the stimulus would eventually be 'paid for' by corporations and wealthy individuals resulted in them engaging in short-term investments rather than the 'shovel-ready' infrastructure we were promised... and of course to make matters worse, he never made good on those promises (because President Obama was somewhat smarter than Candidate Obama) meaning it was a huge gift to the wealthy

What I'm saying is that the President CAN influence economic actions making them better or worse...

but it is entirely true that 'the economy' is made up of millions of people who are all pretty good and finding ways to make profits despite what the government does.

The problem with that the Republicans were not on board spending for infrastructure spending to fix our roads, rails, bridges and all that. The Tea Party crowd would primary Republicans who would vote for those shovel ready jobs on infrastructures. Now, the Republicans are on board because Trump wants the shovel ready jobs.

There were no shovel ready jobs, Obama bent you guys over a performed a slipdicktome on your asses.

(03-26-2019 03:58 PM)king king Wrote:  Yeah I was gonna say I know what is said about LBJ. It's just that most of what he said was behind closed doors so it's basically hearsay for him.

Trump is overt almost to the point of it being purely on purpose. And that's what I don't get. However, at this point he's the best thing going (ugh).

As long as the economy continues to hum along and we no longer look like girl scouts to the rest of the world I'm Ok with whatever he does to keep the dems off balance. His tweets do that in spades. As to your lament that he's done nothing to improve infrastructure, it has to be difficult to get anything done given the amount of resistance and obstruction we've seen from the left, and it's only two years in. He has 6 more years to get er done.

(03-23-2019 09:09 AM)king king Wrote:  The past few days have made it blatantly clear to me that the Democrats are too far gone to ever be redeemable again. I've always prided myself on being not too much this or that. Not too far right in fiscal matters that I can't be left of center on social stuff. Well, all I see now from anything from the left is a hostile take over of the institutions enshrined in the Constitution.

What idiocy and treason is this that they try to subvert the Constitution by decreasing the voting age to 16, doubling the size of the SCOTUS, and eliminating the electoral college? It's so obvious that even a dummy like me can see it.

This is probably the scariest thing I've personally witnessed up to this point in our country.

So, and this is the part i thought I'd never say, in 2020 I may have no other choice but to vote for Trump. The other side has lost their collective(ist) minds.

Even IF they wanted to do these things, aren't the makeup of the SCOTUS, the EC, and the voting age all dictated by the Constitution?

Wouldn't a Constitutional Congress or 2/3 ratification in both houses be needed in order to amend?

I became fully aware of the fact that the left has completely fallen off the edge with no way back around 2011 when ACT 10 was passed here in Wisconsin.

The hate, the venom, the obnoxious behavior that was fully on display was striking. All this over 3 things. One, they lost the election, two, the state decided to take back some control from the public unions, three the GOP decided to take a page from the demmies and ACTUALLY govern the way THEY wanted regardless of what the other side thought.

The "protests", the death threats, the recall election.... All over a temper tantrum.

Move forward 5 years to DJT getting elected and THAT was the moment anyone with a brain realized the left was beyond redemption. Move forward again to the election of AOC and those same people realized there is no way back.

(03-23-2019 09:20 AM)king king Wrote:  Well to be fair, no president is truly responsible for the economy. There's a gazillion other factors that go into that that he just gets a titular benefit from for being the head of the country. Economic upswings come and go the same as presidents do.

You're right of course. But if the economy was failing, my guess is Trump would get the blame. So it's perfectly legitimate for him to take credit for the economy's success.

(03-27-2019 10:29 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 09:20 AM)king king Wrote:  Well to be fair, no president is truly responsible for the economy. There's a gazillion other factors that go into that that he just gets a titular benefit from for being the head of the country. Economic upswings come and go the same as presidents do.

You're right of course. But if the economy was failing, my guess is Trump would get the blame. So it's perfectly legitimate for him to take credit for the economy's success.

As would any president, ever.

Meh, I don't know if I would go that far.

There is an ideological shift occurring right now. The GOP has found a new centerline to follow for the most part. The far more diverse groups which make up the Democratic party are all still pulling their own direction. It will settle down in time.

(03-27-2019 10:32 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 10:29 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 09:20 AM)king king Wrote:  Well to be fair, no president is truly responsible for the economy. There's a gazillion other factors that go into that that he just gets a titular benefit from for being the head of the country. Economic upswings come and go the same as presidents do.

You're right of course. But if the economy was failing, my guess is Trump would get the blame. So it's perfectly legitimate for him to take credit for the economy's success.

As would any president, ever.

Yep, I know of a certain ex-president that wants to take credit for what's happening. That is laughable. The only shovel ready job that stupid S created was hiring someone to clean up after his stupid dog.

(03-27-2019 08:35 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 10:32 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 10:29 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 09:20 AM)king king Wrote:  Well to be fair, no president is truly responsible for the economy. There's a gazillion other factors that go into that that he just gets a titular benefit from for being the head of the country. Economic upswings come and go the same as presidents do.

You're right of course. But if the economy was failing, my guess is Trump would get the blame. So it's perfectly legitimate for him to take credit for the economy's success.

As would any president, ever.

Yep, I know of a certain ex-president that wants to take credit for what's happening. That is laughable. The only shovel ready job that stupid S created was hiring someone to clean up after his stupid dog.

He can take as much credit for the 8 years of the stock market going up as Trump can take for the 2 years of the stock market going up.

(03-28-2019 08:53 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 08:35 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 10:32 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 10:29 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(03-23-2019 09:20 AM)king king Wrote:  Well to be fair, no president is truly responsible for the economy. There's a gazillion other factors that go into that that he just gets a titular benefit from for being the head of the country. Economic upswings come and go the same as presidents do.

You're right of course. But if the economy was failing, my guess is Trump would get the blame. So it's perfectly legitimate for him to take credit for the economy's success.

As would any president, ever.

Yep, I know of a certain ex-president that wants to take credit for what's happening. That is laughable. The only shovel ready job that stupid S created was hiring someone to clean up after his stupid dog.

He can take as much credit for the 8 years of the stock market going up as Trump can take for the 2 years of the stock market going up.

which doesn't make any of yaz more e-quail idjuts...