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(04-08-2019 01:27 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(04-08-2019 11:49 AM)Bearcat04 Wrote:  So basically he's finally realizing that he's not as hot of a commodity as he thought? Or is because Bohn finally decided to make him earn raises?

By doing things like setting school records for wins and winning conference championships?

I don't know where the negotiations stand and maybe we've made a good offer and Mick's being unreasonable but he's without question earned a raise above being the 49th highest paid coach in the country.

You keep quoting the wrong people on these threads.

(04-08-2019 01:27 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(04-08-2019 11:49 AM)Bearcat04 Wrote:  So basically he's finally realizing that he's not as hot of a commodity as he thought? Or is because Bohn finally decided to make him earn raises?

By doing things like setting school records for wins and winning conference championships?

I don't know where the negotiations stand and maybe we've made a good offer and Mick's being unreasonable but he's without question earned a raise above being the 49th highest paid coach in the country.

Let's not overrate school record for victories. If we played as many games then Huggins would have that record. If we played as many games in the 60s Jucker would have that record. He's won or shared 2 regular season conference championships in 13 seasons. He's won 2 tournament championships in 13 seasons. I think he deserves and will get a pay raise, but it's not surprising that he's not that in demand outside of Cincinnati and I think its pretty clear he thought he had more leverage than he actually had.

As I said, I expect he'll be a top 30 paid type coach when a deal gets worked out, but I think Mick thought he had the resume and leverage to get more.

If I were Bohn, I'd say "Listen, we know you've built this program the right way and we want to make sure you have resources that allow you to compete for the top of the AAC and most of the P5. We'll never be able to match blue blood resources. If you get an offer from them and you want to leave, good on you and we'll be forever appreciative of what you've done here. If anyone not named Duke or UNC come calling, give us a chance to match your offer. Otherwise, see above."

(04-07-2019 10:58 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(04-07-2019 09:16 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(04-07-2019 06:52 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(04-07-2019 05:47 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(04-07-2019 02:17 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I know, right? It's like when people think it's impossible to win the lottery. All you have to do is pick a few 1 or 2 digit numbers and viola - you're a millionaire!

Only difference is most coaches will leave for a higher paying gig once they start being successful. Win the lottery and you get to spend it however you like ('tho the govment do take a bite).

And that's why UC should never, ever even think of getting rid of Cronin--because the risk of going from mediocre to good outweighs the safety of consistent performance.

Empty that arena.

So nine straight tourneys along with going 89-18 and 46-8 in conference games and winning the last two AAC championship tourneys and being ranked in the top 25, top 5 and top 30 National polls over the last 3 years is "mediocre"?

I'd be thrilled if you got the level of your posts up to an equivalent level. Heck, I"d be thrilled if you just got close to mediocre. Repeatedly posting "Empty that arena" coming off a season of mostly near full houses isn't clever, it's actually quite inane. But you do you.

Were the Bengals mediocre when they couldn't win a playoff game under Marvin?

I'd vote yes...

Yet by the exact same logic...you would vote no.

Yes, Marvin is a great example, thanks! Let's compare using actual data and logic:
- Over the last 3 years Mick went 89-18 while Marvin went 19-28-1 as HC.
- Over the last 3 years Mick went 46-8 in the AAC while Marvin went 7-12 against the AFC North (thanks Browns!)
- Mick has finished 2nd, 1st and 2nd in the AAC regular season the last 3 years and Marvin finished 2nd to last, 2nd to last (thanks again Browns!) and last in the AFCN.
- Mick won the last 2 AAC Championships and made the tourney all three years (9 in a row btw) going 2-3. Marvin's Bengals didn't make the postseason any of the last 3 years.

At an absolute minimum, Mick is a VERY good college basketball coach right now. Conversely, you'd have to give Marvin's teams a HUGE benefit of the doubt to even call them mediocre over the last few years.

You have a coach like Mick, you extend him with a fair raise. A coach like Marvin, you say thanks but it's time to make a change.

Please don't cherry pick--I specifically said during the period where they couldn't win a playoff game (yet they regularly made the playoffs). The knock on Marvin during that block of time is that he couldn't get them past the first round. That's mediocre performance.

That gets you canned.

(04-08-2019 01:35 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  but it's not surprising that he's not that in demand outside of Cincinnati and I think its pretty clear he thought he had more leverage than he actually had..

This is certainly how it seems. Bottom line for me is if he's not happy here (doesn't seem to me like he is) then he should move on.

(04-08-2019 01:36 PM)crex043 Wrote:  If I were Bohn, I'd say "Listen, we know you've built this program the right way and we want to make sure you have resources that allow you to compete for the top of the AAC and most of the P5. We'll never be able to match blue blood resources. If you get an offer from them and you want to leave, good on you and we'll be forever appreciative of what you've done here. If anyone not named Duke or UNC come calling, give us a chance to match your offer. Otherwise, see above."

Also, if they want to bridge the gap between UC and Blue Blood, just load his contact with incentives for tourney victories. Give him $500k for a Sweet Sixteen and a bump on the following contract.

(04-08-2019 01:35 PM)Marcus Wrote:  You keep quoting the wrong people on these threads.

Sorry, in trying to shorten what I've replied to I cut out the wrong people. I've edited to remove the quote

(04-08-2019 01:41 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(04-08-2019 01:35 PM)Marcus Wrote:  You keep quoting the wrong people on these threads.

Sorry, in trying to shorten what I've replied to I cut out the wrong people. I've edited to remove the quote

No problem. Just been having a difficult time following who's talking to who on here.

(04-08-2019 01:35 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Let's not overrate school record for victories. If we played as many games then Huggins would have that record. If we played as many games in the 60s Jucker would have that record. He's won or shared 2 regular season conference championships in 13 seasons. He's won 2 tournament championships in 13 seasons. I think he deserves and will get a pay raise, but it's not surprising that he's not that in demand outside of Cincinnati and I think its pretty clear he thought he had more leverage than he actually had.

As I said, I expect he'll be a top 30 paid type coach when a deal gets worked out, but I think Mick thought he had the resume and leverage to get more.

I understand and agree. My point was simply he's doing a good job and deserves to be rewarded. But we're on the same page where he might have a higher opinion of his value that Mike Bohn does. I do think based on his performance somewhere around 20th feels right. Without knowing which side is way above that or below that I'd hesitate to blame either side.

A couple of the posts in here are not taking into consideration the athletic department has a budget it has to adhere to. If it were as easy as just throwing Mick another $500K for a job well-done I am guessing it would be done. The fact of the matter is there needs to be attention to the basketball assistants, recruiting budget and overall basketball operations; not to mention an increase in salary for other sports such as football (we need to beef up the assistant pool), women's bball (Michelle Clark-Heard is a commodity) and other sports. We're not getting the money from the conference or from donations to pay for everything at the level that everyone wants.

It's supply and demand, and there doesn't seem to be any demand. I don't think they should screw the guy, but I don't think they should jump when he says jump either. If he doesn't like what they offered, I'd roll the dice and wait until next year.

(04-08-2019 01:36 PM)crex043 Wrote:  If I were Bohn, I'd say "Listen, we know you've built this program the right way and we want to make sure you have resources that allow you to compete for the top of the AAC and most of the P5. We'll never be able to match blue blood resources. If you get an offer from them and you want to leave, good on you and we'll be forever appreciative of what you've done here. If anyone not named Duke or UNC come calling, give us a chance to match your offer. Otherwise, see above."

This is about right.

Mick's camp complains that he is the 49th highest paid coach is CBB. The real issues are 1) what is his rank in the AAC, and 2) what is his rank among non-power conference coaches? I don't have the answers, but I suspect that his salary is respectable by those metrics.

Mick should be paid commensurate on this March performance and nothing more.

Basically, minimum wage.

(04-08-2019 02:01 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  It's supply and demand, and there doesn't seem to be any demand. I don't think they should screw the guy, but I don't think they should jump when he says jump either. If he doesn't like what they offered, I'd roll the dice and wait until next year.

I agree completely... supply and demand seems to be dictating that, at his current salary, there aren't any other schools that think he is worth more than he's already making. Some might be sniffing around, but no one is biting. Why on Earth should we pay Mick a top 25 salary when the schools that could easily afford it aren't even interested in Mick? All those ADs aren't stupid, and neither is Mike Bohn.

Rumors on Tennessee sites were saying that Barnes had decided to stay, but...

(04-08-2019 02:23 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  Rumors on Tennessee sites were saying that Barnes had decided to stay, but...

He would be taking a paycut if he went to UCLA.

Cost of living calculator

(04-08-2019 02:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Mick should be paid commensurate on this March performance and nothing more.

Basically, minimum wage.

His mere presence in the tournament in March puts him higher than 49th highest paid.

For those who can put up with pRick Broering, here is a pretty good take on the current situation, by Chad, although he doesn't offer much in the way of new info. Says Mick won't accept 2nd (3rd... 4th...) fiddle status at UCLA. I.e., the ship has sailed. I wonder who UT has in mind after Barnes, though:

https://soundcloud.com/user-529029600

(04-08-2019 03:56 PM)Ring of Black Wrote:  For those who can put up with pRick Broering, here is a pretty good take on the current situation, by Chad, although he doesn't offer much in the way of new info. Says Mick won't accept 2nd (3rd... 4th...) fiddle status at UCLA. I.e., the ship has sailed. I wonder who UT has in mind after Barnes, though:

https://soundcloud.com/user-529029600

‘This why I posted in another thread that I think Mick would be “happiest” at a Big East job. Frankly every FBS schools that are traditionally “basketball schools”now know and operate under the guise that football drives the bus and has to be given first consideration.

LOL UCLA

How many 'no's' have they heard now?