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(04-19-2019 09:30 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Was Anderson their fourth or fifth choice? St Johns has really fallen off the BB landscape.

All due to poor choices of coaching hires, IMO.
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There is a report that Howard U has offered the ex GW coach Karl Hobbs $700k per season and he’s contemplating it. I’ll say it again - that $750k range is where you have to be to get folks attention and make a statement. Easy for me to say because I don’t have to fit the bill but it’s a commensurate level for a school of Jmu’s size with their overall budget. It doesn’t guarantee success obviously but it’s a level high enough to get a proven guy to jump
Or someone with a track record
To get back into coaching.
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(04-21-2019 11:14 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  There is a report that Howard U has offered the ex GW coach Karl Hobbs $700k per season and he’s contemplating it. I’ll say it again - that $750k range is where you have to be to get folks attention and make a statement. Easy for me to say because I don’t have to fit the bill but it’s a commensurate level for a school of Jmu’s size with their overall budget. It doesn’t guarantee success obviously but it’s a level high enough to get a proven guy to jump
Or someone with a track record
To get back into coaching.

What is the cost benefit of 2,000 more seats sold at a new arena, including premium seats? Throw in donations which is likely the biggest and most hidden revenue source from a top CAA/Mid-Major basketball program.

Is that worth a salary of $400,000 - $600,000 more? Hell yes - It would easily pay for itself if a solid coach is chosen.
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(04-22-2019 09:11 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(04-21-2019 11:14 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  There is a report that Howard U has offered the ex GW coach Karl Hobbs $700k per season and he’s contemplating it. I’ll say it again - that $750k range is where you have to be to get folks attention and make a statement. Easy for me to say because I don’t have to fit the bill but it’s a commensurate level for a school of Jmu’s size with their overall budget. It doesn’t guarantee success obviously but it’s a level high enough to get a proven guy to jump
Or someone with a track record
To get back into coaching.

What is the cost benefit of 2,000 more seats sold at a new arena, including premium seats? Throw in donations which is likely the biggest and most hidden revenue source from a top CAA/Mid-Major basketball program.

Is that worth a salary of $400,000 - $600,000 more? Hell yes - It would easily pay for itself if a solid coach is chosen.

Absolutely worth it.
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(04-19-2019 12:41 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(04-19-2019 09:30 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Was Anderson their fourth or fifth choice? St Johns has really fallen off the BB landscape.

All due to poor choices of coaching hires, IMO.

Really.....it seems like Mullin was a really good choice getting StJohn's back to the NCAA's this year in what I think was his 4th season (then deciding to step down).

Mike Jarvis back in the day did a really nice job at St John's was quite good, shady but good.

Picking a basketball coach is tough. It's not like StJohn's was 'low-balling' coaches on salary. Sometimes it just doesn't workout and if you put several of those together it gets difficult.
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bryce drew and tony shaver haven't found homes yet.

I actually wouldnt have hated if we pounced on bryce drew.
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Pat Kelsey went down the aisle with Northern Kentucky but something changed at the last moment. A reminder that he was the Umass coach for a second but backed out just before the press conference. So he stays at Winthrop. You have to think the waffling May cause him some damage in terms of future opportunities. Sure he wins but he’s only been to 1 Ncaa he doesn’t win enough to make up for jerking programs around. In the article on Kelsey being the front runner for NkU due to his local roots there was some interesting info on salaries. He makes $270k at Winthrop and Brannen at NKU who just left for Cincy made $370k. Jmu is mentioned in one article as a job that Kelsey was in the mix for.

Again I feel that $500k-$750k has to be the range that Jmu is willing to commit for an established coach in conjunction with the new arena.

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(04-24-2019 11:46 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Again I fell that $500k-$750k has to be the range that Jmu is willing to commit for an established coach in conjunction with the new arena.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the event very few (including me, though I'd love to be surprised) are taking into account on this board. That is, that JMU/Rowe knocks it out of the park next year. I'll stop for a second, so everyone (including me) can get a good laugh in. 03-lmfao

OK, assuming for the few who are continuing reading here and has got their laugh in...04-cheers

What happens if JMU wins the top seed and then wins the CAAT next year? Unlikely I know, but play along. Stop laughing I said. 03-thumbsup

Well, for starters, I doubt one singular season of success is all of a sudden going to have bigger mid-major jobs come running for Rowe. I think he wants to fulfill his 5-year contract at his alma mater and move into the new arena with a whoooole bunch of everybody returning on his roster. So, we get a coach on the cheap for a 5th year and the decision will be does the administration consider extending his contract beyond 5 years? If so, are we in that $500-750K range? I'd think so still. Or, does JMU roll the dice with a prove-it-to-me-a-2nd-year-in-a-Rowe in his 5th year (with an experienced roster) before extending knowing a 2nd straight ultra-successful season may see a bigger program swoop in and offer 7 figures?

OK, you can all go back to laughing again now. Rimshot

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I’m rooting for Lou Rowe next season as well. If he leads the team to the type of season that they need for him to come back he will be in that established coaching category. As an alum and taking into account that Jmu took a chance on Lou, gave him his first head coaching job, and exercised some patience in retaining him through a bad start I think the compensaton number would be discounted but an extension and raise would be warranted in order to secure future recruits. I’d say $400k or so as a discounted salary.

This is contingent on a 20+ win season, top 3 finish in league and I think at least two wins in the Caa tourney next season if not even higher marks than that. It’s a tall order given the track record to date but if they pull it off it would deliver on the goal of raising the level of the program (albeit 4 years later) from the prior staff.
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(04-24-2019 01:26 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  I’m rooting for Lou Rowe next season as well. If he leads the team to the type of season that they need for him to come back he will be in that established coaching category. As an alum and taking into account that Jmu took a chance on Lou, gave him his first head coaching job, and exercised some patience in retaining him through a bad start I think the compensaton number would be discounted but an extension and raise would be warranted in order to secure future recruits. I’d say $400k or so as a discounted salary.

This is contingent on a 20+ win season, top 3 finish in league and I think at least two wins in the Caa tourney next season if not even higher marks than that. It’s a tall order given the track record to date but if they pull it off it would deliver on the goal of raising the level of the program (albeit 4 years later) from the prior staff.

So if he can get us back to the Brady level for one year we should extend him? Is that based on how bad the first 3 years have been?

Lock us up for 3-5 more years will one year of a top 3 finish and one year with a 60% winning % in 4 years.

Of ODU, VCU, GMU, RU, & JMU - we are the only school that would likey happen.
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(04-24-2019 12:57 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  
(04-24-2019 11:46 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Again I fell that $500k-$750k has to be the range that Jmu is willing to commit for an established coach in conjunction with the new arena.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the event very few (including me, though I'd love to be surprised) are taking into account on this board. That is, that JMU/Rowe knocks it out of the park next year. I'll stop for a second, so everyone (including me) can get a good laugh in. 03-lmfao

OK, assuming for the few who are continuing reading here and has got their laugh in...04-cheers

What happens if JMU wins the top seed and then wins the CAAT next year? Unlikely I know, but play along. Stop laughing I said. 03-thumbsup

Well, for starters, I doubt one singular season of success is all of a sudden going to have bigger mid-major jobs come running for Rowe. I think he wants to fulfill his 5-year contract at his alma mater and move into the new arena with a whoooole bunch of everybody returning on his roster. So, we get a coach on the cheap for a 5th year and the decision will be does the administration consider extending his contract beyond 5 years? If so, are we in that $500-750K range? I'd think so still. Or, does JMU roll the dice with a prove-it-to-me-a-2nd-year-in-a-Rowe in his 5th year (with an experienced roster) before extending knowing a 2nd straight ultra-successful season may see a bigger program swoop in and offer 7 figures?

OK, you can all go back to laughing again now. Rimshot

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Regardless of what happens JMU has to make a decision on Rowe at the conclusion of next season:
- Has another bad year ----> he is out
- Has a good year ----> he will receive an extension (I would recommend a 3 year, nothing longer term)

If JMU has learned nothing, it should be that it is an awful, irresponsible decision to let a coach get into there last year and have a lame duck coach. That absolutely cannot happen.

Not going to debate what a bad year is vs a good year, that is up to JMU but a decision to fire or extend must be made at the conclusion of next season.
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I think Rowe will do better next season, probably at least .500 in the CAA. I also think he'd do better in his 5th year with his strong classes as seniors and sophs. But I think those improvements are mostly guys individually taking over and winning in a weak CAA. This could easily turn into a 10-12 year thing with his teams ebbing and flowing based on how well he recruits vs how well he coaches.
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(04-24-2019 01:37 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(04-24-2019 01:26 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  I’m rooting for Lou Rowe next season as well. If he leads the team to the type of season that they need for him to come back he will be in that established coaching category. As an alum and taking into account that Jmu took a chance on Lou, gave him his first head coaching job, and exercised some patience in retaining him through a bad start I think the compensaton number would be discounted but an extension and raise would be warranted in order to secure future recruits. I’d say $400k or so as a discounted salary.

This is contingent on a 20+ win season, top 3 finish in league and I think at least two wins in the Caa tourney next season if not even higher marks than that. It’s a tall order given the track record to date but if they pull it off it would deliver on the goal of raising the level of the program (albeit 4 years later) from the prior staff.

So if he can get us back to the Brady level for one year we should extend him? Is that based on how bad the first 3 years have been?

Lock us up for 3-5 more years will one year of a top 3 finish and one year with a 60% winning % in 4 years.

Of ODU, VCU, GMU, RU, & JMU - we are the only school that would likey happen.
I don’t think Brady ever finished 3rd. Jmu was matched up in the 4-5 game a few years and it’s a minor difference but a difference to play the 6 seed or 7 seed as a #3 or #2. Also except one season Brady never won 2 games in the CAAT. Imo if Jmu does those in year 4 of Rowe you’d feel better about the program and it would be better than it was- especially with the fact that the cupboard wasn’t bare, there weren’t off court issues, academic challenges, and you had a solid core of local 4 year recruits.
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Recruiting sure looks awfully good so far under Lou. Next year is the year where these good recruits need to finally come of age. I would not have a top 3 mandate but I do feel JMU should end the season in the 3-4 spot with the talent many of us believe they have.

Jacobs and Wilson are the key in my mind. The team will go as far as these two take them. They don’t have to be all conference. The just need to be solid CAA bigs that can defend and rebound. Wilson will score but he needs to do more than that. Jacobs needs to bulk up and figure out how he can become a defensive stopper. That defensive stopper Big is the missing piece for this roster.
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(04-25-2019 08:04 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Recruiting sure looks awfully good so far under Lou. Next year is the year where these good recruits need to finally come of age. I would not have a top 3 mandate but I do feel JMU should end the season in the 3-4 spot with the talent many of us believe they have.

Jacobs and Wilson are the key in my mind. The team will go as far as these two take them. They don’t have to be all conference. The just need to be solid CAA bigs that can defend and rebound. Wilson will score but he needs to do more than that. Jacobs needs to bulk up and figure out how he can become a defensive stopper. That defensive stopper Big is the missing piece for this roster.

Doesn't matter how good the recruiting is if we are lousy every year. This team will goes as far as the coach allows.

Hopefully you're buying tickets, no one else is. Hell of a product - you can go and sit anywhere you want.

No interest in the program by students or from the town.
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(04-25-2019 08:50 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(04-25-2019 08:04 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Recruiting sure looks awfully good so far under Lou. Next year is the year where these good recruits need to finally come of age. I would not have a top 3 mandate but I do feel JMU should end the season in the 3-4 spot with the talent many of us believe they have.

Jacobs and Wilson are the key in my mind. The team will go as far as these two take them. They don’t have to be all conference. The just need to be solid CAA bigs that can defend and rebound. Wilson will score but he needs to do more than that. Jacobs needs to bulk up and figure out how he can become a defensive stopper. That defensive stopper Big is the missing piece for this roster.

Doesn't matter how good the recruiting is if we are lousy every year. This team will goes as far as the coach allows.

Hopefully you're buying tickets, no one else is. Hell of a product - you can go and sit anywhere you want.

No interest in the program by students or from the town.

You're not buying them either, so pot meet kettle, right?
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(04-25-2019 09:38 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(04-25-2019 08:50 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(04-25-2019 08:04 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Recruiting sure looks awfully good so far under Lou. Next year is the year where these good recruits need to finally come of age. I would not have a top 3 mandate but I do feel JMU should end the season in the 3-4 spot with the talent many of us believe they have.

Jacobs and Wilson are the key in my mind. The team will go as far as these two take them. They don’t have to be all conference. The just need to be solid CAA bigs that can defend and rebound. Wilson will score but he needs to do more than that. Jacobs needs to bulk up and figure out how he can become a defensive stopper. That defensive stopper Big is the missing piece for this roster.

Doesn't matter how good the recruiting is if we are lousy every year. This team will goes as far as the coach allows.

Hopefully you're buying tickets, no one else is. Hell of a product - you can go and sit anywhere you want.

No interest in the program by students or from the town.

You're not buying them either, so pot meet kettle, right?

Could not agree more about me not buying tickets. There's a reason people are not buying tickets.

My days of driving over an hour each way for season tickets or even single games to support Men's basketball is over. If JMU is not going to do anything about improving the program, there is nothing we can do. That said I'm not putting lipstick on a pig. I'm not talking optimistically about how the program is going. It's been 20 years of ground hog day for the program. We keep making the same mistakes. Losing is not fun, especially when there is no light at the end of the tunnel. That's why none of us go very much.
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(04-25-2019 08:04 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Recruiting sure looks awfully good so far under Lou. Next year is the year where these good recruits need to finally come of age. I would not have a top 3 mandate but I do feel JMU should end the season in the 3-4 spot with the talent many of us believe they have.

Jacobs and Wilson are the key in my mind. The team will go as far as these two take them. They don’t have to be all conference. The just need to be solid CAA bigs that can defend and rebound. Wilson will score but he needs to do more than that. Jacobs needs to bulk up and figure out how he can become a defensive stopper. That defensive stopper Big is the missing piece for this roster.

Almost all of the games I've seen under Rowe have been on my computer projected onto a flat screen, so it's tough to pick up everything that you might in person with good seats. Going forward, I think they need the following:

1. Continued development of returning players like Banks, Lewis, Jacobs and Wilson.
2. Better schemes, both offensively and defensively; i.e., coaches need improvement along with players. This will improve efficiency of play on both sides of the ball and a big key going into next season.
3. Development of depth. Last year, the team didn't have enough good players and it showed. With more depth, players can play harder while in the game.
4. More shooting.
5. A more competitive out of conference schedule to build toughness going into CAA play.

Summation: It would seem that Rowe has addressed a lot of the deficiencies on the roster and this should be his most talented group of players since he took the job. Can he and his staff maximize the abilities of this roster? We'll see and that's what makes this one of the most anticipated seasons in quite a while.
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(04-07-2019 07:40 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(04-05-2019 11:38 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  
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(04-05-2019 03:00 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  Seems like a decent hire.

I agree, he has the right pedigree and would seem to have as much chance at success as anyone else.

- no head coaching experience.

so both W&M and Elon hire assistant head coaches. once again, a crap shoot and probably what we would be looking at if we were to move from Rowe. another coach learning on the job

Why is it only Men's basketball (even with a new arena) we are only on par with W&M & Elon.

How come W&M used to be 2 steps below us? Did something happen to now give them an advantage over us?

Perhaps we should never get a new coach, because there's not much out there, and our recruits & players will leave.

Were they ever two steps below us? You and I were in school together. If my memory isn’t failing me (and it could be), I believe JMU played W&M in the ECAC South finals in Derek Steele’s senior season?

We are in the CAA with both schools you mention so that makes them our peers whether you like it or not.

Come on Dukie - you know under Lou and Lefty we were clearly two steps ahead of W&M. Results, attendance, support - there was no comparison. And at the time, you likely reasoned like most fans, that W&M would always struggle versus JMU due to admissions standards.

There is nobody including you through the mid 90's that thought W&M was anywhere near JMU in Men's college basketball.

I would agree with that 100%. Tony Shaver changed that for W&M. It is highly possible that we are headed back to the bottom after March 13th. The Tribe has gone from favorites in 2019-20 to potentially struggling to have a full team.

Given the apparent resources, it has been a surprise that JMU is not consistently in the top 3-4 of the CAA. But, it is not as easy as it appears. In the last 8 years or so(since VCU, ODU and George Mason left), Northeastern, UNCW, W&M and Hofstra have been the most consistent programs. 2 of those have no tournament titles. Just watching a fair number of your games the last 4-5 years, it does appear that the Dukes have talent. Recent losses from many of the CAA programs make 19-20 a real possibility for the Dukes now. UNCW, Elon and W&M might each struggle to even field a team in 2019. Hofstra likely will take a step back. So, you would think that the Dukes will finish 5th even if everything goes very poorly.
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Shane Mettlen reporting on Twitter that JMU asst Tim Johnson is likely leaving to take an assistant job at Furman. So it looks like we will have an opening on the bench. Mettlen also mentions that several coaches have expressed interest in joining the staff. I asked if any of them have previous HC experience, and hope to have an answer soon.
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