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RE: Is this the worst season in CUSA history?
(03-22-2019 09:01 AM)usm99 Wrote:  
(03-21-2019 11:27 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  
(03-21-2019 11:20 PM)HERDDDDD Wrote:  I really believe our conference as a whole is the worst this year than maybe ever. Odu our best team looked horrible tonight against Purdue. Marshall won against IUPUI but it was a struggle, which is embarrassing. Uab lost to Brown and FAU lost to Charleston Southern. Southern Miss was pounded by Longwood. FIU still alive but judging by everyone else it don’t look good.

Anyway, Discuss

Bottom teams have improved. Top teams slipped a bit. Can't really judge a whole season based on postseason. I would have loved to play Purdue back with BJ was on his game and the young guys hadn't hit the wall.

There's alot of young talent in the league. Future looks bright.

But in football season many (not all) CUSA fans use that as justification as to why we are better than other conferences when we win OR do well in the Bowl Cup Challenge.

Granted, postseason is the goal, and getting wins in postseason is the ultimate goal.

However, ODU did beat two #8 seeds in the regular season. Their postseason shooting funk against a #3 seed doesn't take away from that, as disappointing as that was.

It was a good season for ODU. Wanted more, but hopefully that will come soon.

I don't know what happened to USM the other night. But you guys play well at the end of the season until that point.
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RE: Is this the worst season in CUSA history?
(03-22-2019 06:40 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(03-22-2019 12:36 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  ODU returns (on paper at least) -

7'-0" - Dickins
6'-8" - Reese
6'-7" - Ezikpe
6'-7" - Carver
6'-6" - Green
6'-5" - Godwin
6'-5" - Wade
6'-5" - Oliver (transfer from Clemson - eligible next season)
6'-1" - Kithcart

Everyone but Reese and Oliver played significant minutes this season although Godwin got injured (foot) around the start of the conference season and had surgery.

Coach Jones is expected to be recruiting -

Center
Point Guard
and hopefully a shooter

Assuming Jones is coaching the team again, I would expect them to be another defensive minded team with the offense lagging behind, and finish somewhere among the first 4 or 5 teams in the conference.

I would say next season would be a rebuilding year for ODU now that the Stith bloodline is over, but with your style I am sure you still win 20 games and finish top 5 in conference....

And yes this is the worst season in CUSA history, which is strange considering the season began with a lot of promise for our teams....At least most of the middle and bottom improved, but the top teams were garbage compared to our teams in the past...

I am not sure if rebuild is the word I would use. Caver and Stith were seniors but we had a lot of young talent who grew into their own roles this year. Green took over a lot of games and is only a sophomore. Our best front court player was a true freshman.

Stith has disappeared for the last month, and we were still able to win with the help of a few miracles. I wouldn't argue if you wanted to say ODU will take a step back, but I don't think it will be a rebuild. Additionally, were were ranked around 100. I don't see us getting terribly worse than that, but it's still not where we want to be.
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RE: Is this the worst season in CUSA history?
pretty bad. Even baseball will be down this year
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RE: Is this the worst season in CUSA history?
According to KenPom (the most accurate), here is what CUSA has been ranked out of 31 conferences:
2009: 9
2010: 10
2011: 8
2012: 10
2013: 11
2014: 16 <-- realignment round 1
2015: 17 <-- realignment round 2
2016: 20
2017: 21
2018: 11
2019: 17

Clearly CUSA has slipped since realignment, but last year we were very solid as a conference, and this year was certainly not our worst year. As someone else pointed out in this thread, the problem this year was that we didn't have any top rated teams like last year, but our bottom was much better this year.
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(03-22-2019 10:03 AM)CyrusJS Wrote:  According to KenPom (the most accurate), here is what CUSA has been ranked out of 31 conferences:
2009: 9
2010: 10
2011: 8
2012: 10
2013: 11
2014: 16 <-- realignment round 1
2015: 17 <-- realignment round 2
2016: 20
2017: 21
2018: 11
2019: 17

Clearly CUSA has slipped since realignment, but last year we were very solid as a conference, and this year was certainly not our worst year. As someone else pointed out in this thread, the problem this year was that we didn't have any top rated teams like last year, but our bottom was much better this year.
If you look at the post season last year it was totally different as well. Marshall wins tournament game, MT and WKu won several games in NIT, North Texas won the CBI. This year 2 teams bounced from CBi first round, one bounced from CIT first round, NO NIT teams, no NCAA wins. Basically, day and night from last year. And bottom team improvement has no bearing on our post season results.
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(03-22-2019 10:16 AM)HERDDDDD Wrote:  
(03-22-2019 10:03 AM)CyrusJS Wrote:  According to KenPom (the most accurate), here is what CUSA has been ranked out of 31 conferences:
2009: 9
2010: 10
2011: 8
2012: 10
2013: 11
2014: 16 <-- realignment round 1
2015: 17 <-- realignment round 2
2016: 20
2017: 21
2018: 11
2019: 17

Clearly CUSA has slipped since realignment, but last year we were very solid as a conference, and this year was certainly not our worst year. As someone else pointed out in this thread, the problem this year was that we didn't have any top rated teams like last year, but our bottom was much better this year.
If you look at the post season last year it was totally different as well. Marshall wins tournament game, MT and WKu won several games in NIT, North Texas won the CBI. This year 2 teams bounced from CBi first round, one bounced from CIT first round, NO NIT teams, no NCAA wins. Basically, day and night from last year. And bottom team improvement has no bearing on our post season results.

The thread is about the entire season (Nov-March). Not just the month of March.

My opinion on things - and I have mentioned it before - is that the league got more competitive in that the bottom 2/3's of the league improved. At the same time, the top 1-2 teams in the league weren't quite as strong overall as the top 1-2 were last year.
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Wouldn't put a ton of stock in the postseason outside of NCAA/NIT. A lot of teams really don't care about those tournaments.

The bottom improved, the top declined. Not the worst, far from the best.
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Definitely the worst year up top but more parity across the conference. Overall a wash
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RE: Is this the worst season in CUSA history?
Agreed. In every sport, its seems our better teams have gotten worse and our worse teams have gotten slightly better. Net is the conf product has dropped a notch.
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(03-22-2019 01:42 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Definitely the worst year up top but more parity across the conference. Overall a wash

Negative. It is okay to have a bunch of crappy teams in the conference, but you need consistent top performers. When the top performers inch down toward the crappy teams, that makes the crappy teams look better, but the conference as a whole looks worse.

The SBC has caught up with us not because they have improved, but because we have regressed. The conference needs it's most recognized schools to win and win a lot. It draws more attention to the conference.
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Didn't the conference as a whole go from like 22nd to 13th this year?
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Pathetic that ODU won the bid this season, a team that can't score, can't win tourney games. Ended our streak of wins. And also everyone losing in every post season game kills us too. Disastrous end to the season for cusa.
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(03-22-2019 10:18 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Pathetic that ODU won the bid this season, a team that can't score, can't win tourney games. Ended our streak of wins. And also everyone losing in every post season game kills us too. Disastrous end to the season for cusa.
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(03-22-2019 11:46 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  
(03-22-2019 10:18 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Pathetic that ODU won the bid this season, a team that can't score, can't win tourney games. Ended our streak of wins. And also everyone losing in every post season game kills us too. Disastrous end to the season for cusa.
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Well we do have something in common with Purdue. Played you once and beat you once.
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(03-23-2019 02:40 AM)MUther Wrote:  
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(03-22-2019 10:18 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Pathetic that ODU won the bid this season, a team that can't score, can't win tourney games. Ended our streak of wins. And also everyone losing in every post season game kills us too. Disastrous end to the season for cusa.
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Well we do have something in common with Purdue. Played you once and beat you once.

I feel for you guys. I'd be salty too if my team had two of our best players in history graduating this year and yet all we could muster was Pod 2 finish and a CIT bid. Just try to keep Marshall out of the 300 NET area next year or we may have to send you to the Big South Conference.
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FWIW: We're no worse than the A10 this year.

Onward and upward.
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(03-21-2019 11:20 PM)HERDDDDD Wrote:  I really believe our conference as a whole is the worst this year than maybe ever. Odu our best team looked horrible tonight against Purdue. Marshall won against IUPUI but it was a struggle, which is embarrassing. Uab lost to Brown and FAU lost to Charleston Southern. Southern Miss was pounded by Longwood. FIU still alive but judging by everyone else it don’t look good.

Anyway, Discuss

I believe Jeff Jones winning the regular season and conference tourney pretty much answers your question.
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(03-23-2019 06:44 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  
(03-23-2019 02:40 AM)MUther Wrote:  
(03-22-2019 11:46 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  
(03-22-2019 10:18 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Pathetic that ODU won the bid this season, a team that can't score, can't win tourney games. Ended our streak of wins. And also everyone losing in every post season game kills us too. Disastrous end to the season for cusa.
Marshall sucks

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Well we do have something in common with Purdue. Played you once and beat you once.

I feel for you guys. I'd be salty too if my team had two of our best players in history graduating this year and yet all we could muster was Pod 2 finish and a CIT bid. Just try to keep Marshall out of the 300 NET area next year or we may have to send you to the Big South Conference.

1-0. You're lucky this pod system existed, or we end up 3rd and with a bye, USM wouldn't have been an assassin on us, and we bounce you from the tourney. Seriously though. Was the most boring basketball I've ever seen. How on Earth anyone buys a ticket to see that kind of basketball is beyond me. But you did accomplish the feat of ending cusas tourney streak and embarrassing us. So thanks for that.
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