(03-21-2019 07:06 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 06:35 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Unlike most of my neighbors, I am not a fan of guns. I am fairly sure that I am the only unarmed resident on my street.

But if I see socialism taking hold in America, I promise you that I will arm myself to the teeth. It is evil and it is dangerous.

Why wait until it may be too late? I love guns, the mechanical action of them is fascinating and the result is almost always as intended if your aim is good. I don't care for the damage they inflict when wielded by bad guys but that's not the fault of the gun.

Honest answer: I am afraid of them.

I am in favor of responsible gun ownership, and am certain that the main reason that my urban-situated home has never been burglarized is because the local scum is unaware that I am unarmed.

But I've also never felt the need to arm myself, and up 'til now have been happy with that circumstance. It is only the recent shift in political attitudes, where socialism is no longer just a silly notion, that has got me rethinking my stance.

America's first experiment in socialism...

The Pilgrims’ Governor, William Bradford, described the folly of embracing the theory of collectivism:

“The experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the vanity of that conceit of Plato’s and other ancients applauded by some of later times; that the taking away of property and bringing in community into a commonwealth would make them happy and flourishing; as if they were wiser than God.

“For this community was found to breed much confusion and discontent and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For the young men, that were most able and fit for labor and service, did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men’s wives and children without any recompense. The strong had no more in division of victuals and clothes than he that was weak and not able to do a quarter the other could; this was thought injustice. The aged and graver men to be ranked and equalized in labors everything else, thought it some indignity and disrespect unto them. And for men's wives to be commanded to do service for other men, as dressing their meat, washing their clothes, etc., they deemed it a kind of slavery, neither could many husbands well brook it.”

EVERY subsequent experiment in communal living and socialism has failed miserably but the loons will get it right this time, you just have to trust them to act in your best interests!

Robert Owens - New Harmony, Indiana, a cooperative that lasted for only two years before economic failure. Failed

John Noyes - designed the Oneida Community in upstate New York. Failed

George Ripley - Brooks Farm. Failed to the point Nathaniel Hawthorne left there completely disillusioned.

Bronson Alcott - Fruitlands. Failed.

Fourier, needs no mention.

There are others but those are most notable for... wait for it... FAILURE.

Every.Single.Time.

But you loons are going to get it right while ignoring that men are fundamentally lazy, especially when thinking that someone else will do the heavy lifting.

(03-21-2019 07:13 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 07:06 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 06:35 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Unlike most of my neighbors, I am not a fan of guns. I am fairly sure that I am the only unarmed resident on my street.

But if I see socialism taking hold in America, I promise you that I will arm myself to the teeth. It is evil and it is dangerous.

Why wait until it may be too late? I love guns, the mechanical action of them is fascinating and the result is almost always as intended if your aim is good. I don't care for the damage they inflict when wielded by bad guys but that's not the fault of the gun.

Honest answer: I am afraid of them.

I am in favor of responsible gun ownership, and am certain that the main reason that my urban-situated home has never been burglarized is because the local scum is unaware that I am unarmed.

But I've also never felt the need to arm myself, and up 'til now have been happy with that circumstance. It is only the recent shift in political attitudes, where socialism is no longer just a silly notion, that has got me rethinking my stance.

I respect that however I'll ask you to consider this, are you afraid of your rake? It's a tool just like a gun is a tool. No rake has ever injured someone who handled it with the respect and eye to safety it deserves. If left in the wrong position and you step on it you're going to get hurt. Handle it properly though and the only thing it will ever do is rake.

Guns are no different, they are inanimate objects capable of discharging their primary function only with the direct manipulation of their handlers. Keep them out of the hands of those not trained to properly handle them and ALWAYS keep that damn trigger finger OFF the trigger until you HAVE to fire. The only way that gun goes off is if you pull the trigger (or in some case if you drop it, never ever drop your pistola.)

Edit: You are not wrong to be afraid of them, I have a healthy fear of them that translates to respect. I acknowledge the tremendous damage they are capable of inflicting. It's that fear that keeps me hyper-aware of their potential and makes me handle them with the utmost safety.

(03-21-2019 07:43 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 07:13 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 07:06 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 06:35 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Unlike most of my neighbors, I am not a fan of guns. I am fairly sure that I am the only unarmed resident on my street.

But if I see socialism taking hold in America, I promise you that I will arm myself to the teeth. It is evil and it is dangerous.

Why wait until it may be too late? I love guns, the mechanical action of them is fascinating and the result is almost always as intended if your aim is good. I don't care for the damage they inflict when wielded by bad guys but that's not the fault of the gun.

Honest answer: I am afraid of them.

I am in favor of responsible gun ownership, and am certain that the main reason that my urban-situated home has never been burglarized is because the local scum is unaware that I am unarmed.

But I've also never felt the need to arm myself, and up 'til now have been happy with that circumstance. It is only the recent shift in political attitudes, where socialism is no longer just a silly notion, that has got me rethinking my stance.

I respect that however I'll ask you to consider this, are you afraid of your rake? It's a tool just like a gun is a tool. No rake has ever injured someone who handled it with the respect and eye to safety it deserves. If left in the wrong position and you step on it you're going to get hurt. Handle it properly though and the only thing it will ever do is rake.

Guns are no different, they are inanimate objects capable of discharging their primary function only with the direct manipulation of their handlers. Keep them out of the hands of those not trained to properly handle them and ALWAYS keep that damn trigger finger OFF the trigger until you HAVE to fire. The only way that gun goes off is if you pull the trigger (or in some case if you drop it, never ever drop your pistola.)

Edit: You are not wrong to be afraid of them, I have a healthy fear of them that translates to respect. I acknowledge the tremendous damage they are capable of inflicting. It's that fear that keeps me hyper-aware of their potential and makes me handle them with the utmost safety.

Not regarding AdoptedMonarch's stance, but this is an argument that generally cant be won with logic and reason.

I'm going to frame this regarding the general view of guns from the far left. Generally the far left doesn't believe in personal responsibility.
That's why they refuse to make it an issue of bad people. It's about guns.
The old line, "Guns dont kill people, people kill people." puts the responsibility on a person. The left cant accept that, fault has to lie elsewhere. So they place the fault on the gun existing.

If they accept personal responsibility in any capacity... their whole ideology comes crashing down as personal responsibility counters every narrative they have about society.

If you think things are expensive now, just wait until they are free.

(03-20-2019 08:17 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Sorry I work hard to support myself and my family. I don’t want to work hard to support my family and your family because you’re worthless.

This^^^

Maybe these libs just need to move to a Scandinavian country and finally be happy. That would really help us all.

(03-21-2019 09:43 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  If you think things are expensive now, just wait until they are free.

(03-21-2019 10:09 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 09:43 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  If you think things are expensive now, just wait until they are free.

free has no clue...

to quote Yogi, "if you ain' got it, you ain' got it"

welcome to the real world in survival....

#zerosympathy

(03-21-2019 10:07 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 08:17 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Sorry I work hard to support myself and my family. I don’t want to work hard to support my family and your family because you’re worthless.

This^^^

Maybe these libs just need to move to a Scandinavian country and finally be happy. That would really help us all.

*CRYING* *Sniff* They won't goooo!

(03-21-2019 07:13 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 07:06 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 06:35 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Unlike most of my neighbors, I am not a fan of guns. I am fairly sure that I am the only unarmed resident on my street.

But if I see socialism taking hold in America, I promise you that I will arm myself to the teeth. It is evil and it is dangerous.

Why wait until it may be too late? I love guns, the mechanical action of them is fascinating and the result is almost always as intended if your aim is good. I don't care for the damage they inflict when wielded by bad guys but that's not the fault of the gun.

Honest answer: I am afraid of them.

I am in favor of responsible gun ownership, and am certain that the main reason that my urban-situated home has never been burglarized is because the local scum is unaware that I am unarmed.

But I've also never felt the need to arm myself, and up 'til now have been happy with that circumstance. It is only the recent shift in political attitudes, where socialism is no longer just a silly notion, that has got me rethinking my stance.

If it is just that you are afraid of them, and you want to postpone the inevitable training involved (I get that), then go ahead and buy a safe, buy a 9mm semi-auto pistol, and buy an AR-15 or a Kalashnikov variant (AK-47 for the uninitiated). Lock them up and be done with it until the time comes you need them. Because believe me, if you wait until it is time to need them, you won't be able to get them.

To 'splain myself: God blessed me with many gifts. But coordination unfortunately was not one of them.

I am fully capable of hurting myself (or someone else) via clumsy use of a rake, a power tool, a car or most anything else that I use in my life. But I'm not likely to kill anyone. Guns are different.

I am delighted that most of my neighbors are armed, because they are -- for the most part -- responsible, careful people. But there are a few who are not. (One neighbor, quite literally, shot himself in the foot showing off his new gun.)

I don't want new laws restricting gun ownership. But I sure would be open to suggestions on how to keep guns out of the hands of knuckleheads who are likely to hurt themselves or someone else. Simply waiting for someone to prove himself or herself as an unfit gun owner seems to me to be a reckless approach.

Most important: Go Monarchs!

(03-21-2019 09:08 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  To 'splain myself: God blessed me with many gifts. But coordination unfortunately was not one of them.

I am fully capable of hurting myself (or someone else) via clumsy use of a rake, a power tool, a car or most anything else that I use in my life. But I'm not likely to kill anyone. Guns are different.

I am delighted that most of my neighbors are armed, because they are -- for the most part -- responsible, careful people. But there are a few who are not. (One neighbor, quite literally, shot himself in the foot showing off his new gun.)

I don't want new laws restricting gun ownership. But I sure would be open to suggestions on how to keep guns out of the hands of knuckleheads who are likely to hurt themselves or someone else. Simply waiting for someone to prove himself or herself as an unfit gun owner seems to me to be a reckless approach.

I know some people don't want to hear this, but that, in essence, is what liberty is all about.

(03-21-2019 09:08 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  To 'splain myself: God blessed me with many gifts. But coordination unfortunately was not one of them.

I am fully capable of hurting myself (or someone else) via clumsy use of a rake, a power tool, a car or most anything else that I use in my life. But I'm not likely to kill anyone. Guns are different.

I am delighted that most of my neighbors are armed, because they are -- for the most part -- responsible, careful people. But there are a few who are not. (One neighbor, quite literally, shot himself in the foot showing off his new gun.)

I don't want new laws restricting gun ownership. But I sure would be open to suggestions on how to keep guns out of the hands of knuckleheads who are likely to hurt themselves or someone else. Simply waiting for someone to prove himself or herself as an unfit gun owner seems to me to be a reckless approach.

not all are adept....that's the beauty of those that are...

(03-21-2019 09:08 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  To 'splain myself: God blessed me with many gifts. But coordination unfortunately was not one of them.

I am fully capable of hurting myself (or someone else) via clumsy use of a rake, a power tool, a car or most anything else that I use in my life. But I'm not likely to kill anyone. Guns are different.

I am delighted that most of my neighbors are armed, because they are -- for the most part -- responsible, careful people. But there are a few who are not. (One neighbor, quite literally, shot himself in the foot showing off his new gun.)

I don't want new laws restricting gun ownership. But I sure would be open to suggestions on how to keep guns out of the hands of knuckleheads who are likely to hurt themselves or someone else. Simply waiting for someone to prove himself or herself as an unfit gun owner seems to me to be a reckless approach.

Ahhh, well that's different and you are to be applauded for recognizing your limitations as regards gun handling.

Occasionally I assist a buddy of mine with teaching handgun safety courses and at the last beginners course there was a mutual friend there who has been telling us all along that he was not mechanically inclined, by his own admission he didn't know which end of a screwdriver to hold and that his wife did anything mechanical around their house. I thought c'mon dude, anyone can hold a pistol. Well, I was wrong. This guy seriously could not form a proper grip, every time he'd pull the trigger the gun would almost fly out oh his hand. I'd never seen anyone so bad at shooting before.

Anyway, we refunded his money and told him to buy some pepper spray and a short barreled shotgun. So, if you recognize the potential to be more of a danger with a gun to yourself and those around you than to a bad guy looking to harm you then good for you, while you may not be physically adept enough to handle a gun your brain is functioning quite well for you.

(03-22-2019 04:17 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 09:08 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  To 'splain myself: God blessed me with many gifts. But coordination unfortunately was not one of them.

I am fully capable of hurting myself (or someone else) via clumsy use of a rake, a power tool, a car or most anything else that I use in my life. But I'm not likely to kill anyone. Guns are different.

I am delighted that most of my neighbors are armed, because they are -- for the most part -- responsible, careful people. But there are a few who are not. (One neighbor, quite literally, shot himself in the foot showing off his new gun.)

I don't want new laws restricting gun ownership. But I sure would be open to suggestions on how to keep guns out of the hands of knuckleheads who are likely to hurt themselves or someone else. Simply waiting for someone to prove himself or herself as an unfit gun owner seems to me to be a reckless approach.

not all are adept....that's the beauty of those that are...

I can skin a buck (or a doe for that matter) and run a trot line, does that count? If it doesn't I'll spit some Levi Garrett in yer eye.

(03-21-2019 07:32 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  America's first experiment in socialism...

The Pilgrims’ Governor, William Bradford, described the folly of embracing the theory of collectivism:

“The experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the vanity of that conceit of Plato’s and other ancients applauded by some of later times; that the taking away of property and bringing in community into a commonwealth would make them happy and flourishing; as if they were wiser than God.

“For this community was found to breed much confusion and discontent and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For the young men, that were most able and fit for labor and service, did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men’s wives and children without any recompense. The strong had no more in division of victuals and clothes than he that was weak and not able to do a quarter the other could; this was thought injustice. The aged and graver men to be ranked and equalized in labors everything else, thought it some indignity and disrespect unto them. And for men's wives to be commanded to do service for other men, as dressing their meat, washing their clothes, etc., they deemed it a kind of slavery, neither could many husbands well brook it.”

EVERY subsequent experiment in communal living and socialism has failed miserably but the loons will get it right this time, you just have to trust them to act in your best interests!

Robert Owens - New Harmony, Indiana, a cooperative that lasted for only two years before economic failure. Failed

John Noyes - designed the Oneida Community in upstate New York. Failed

George Ripley - Brooks Farm. Failed to the point Nathaniel Hawthorne left there completely disillusioned.

Bronson Alcott - Fruitlands. Failed.

Fourier, needs no mention.

There are others but those are most notable for... wait for it... FAILURE.

Every.Single.Time.

But you loons are going to get it right while ignoring that men are fundamentally lazy, especially when thinking that someone else will do the heavy lifting.

You forgot Social Security. In the process of failing only because it is being funded by non-socialist activities.....capitalism.