(03-19-2019 06:18 PM)odu09 Wrote:  Reading their boards, seems like the only happy ones are ECU fans? Everyone else is pretty disappointed. I'll admit I didn't read much, but $7M in 2032 is not great. I think their more realistic fans realize how far away they are still from P5. They separated themselves from us though, mission accomplished.

My favorite is their complaint about having to "pony up" for ESPN+. They have no clue of the struggle lol.

Also there's a thread for them to fire their commissioner. Maybe they can hire Judy. Throw in a toy Hummer and it's a done deal.

Big East hold overs have been making more in exit fees and splitting old Big East NCAA units so they will take a pay cut now that gravy train is over and their budgets are tight. For ECU a $5 million pay raise is a huge deal. We have always learned to get by with less so will be in great shape with the new deal. If Coach Houston can turn around Football we also get another couple million added to the budget in ticket and concession sales increase. AAC Basketball is starting to build NCAA units and that is without Wichita St, UCONN and Memphis being where they can be. For ECU it gives us a window of opportunity to build our athletic programs and become competitive in the AAC even if a Big 12 raid happens in 2024. At least by then we will hopefully have dug ourselves out of the current hole and be better positioned if the AAC is left alone or if the AAC merges with the best of CUSA and moves on. Big 12 expansion would never include ECU so we have to hope the AAC sticks together and we get our act together. Absolute worst case we are reunited with some old CUSA friends and do what we have all become too accustomed to and that is building up a new Conference.

Cable consumption is moving to ala carte so I would be happy to pay the current $4.99 for ESPN + or the $10-$15 per month that it will probably eventually become. The ABC games will be a nice bonus for AAC Football. Teams at the top will get great National exposure with those games. The bottom half of the league is probably what will get dumped on ESPN +. ESPN wants new subscribers but they also know the ratings that UCF, Houston, Navy, USF, Cincinnati and USF can bring when they are ranked

(03-19-2019 03:53 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  And that deal just magnifies how pathetic ours is. How much longer will are collective idiot presidents keep the moron we have now in control of our conference.

The AAC hired a former TV executive to run their conference and we hired a former Tulsa administrator to run ours. We can all see the difference it's made. I hope our presidents are real happy with their politically correct/diverse hire. Instead of highering someone with experience and business accumen we try to score political points with a female government employee.

In Charlotte ours was in administration for 38 years. There are those who think our team was cursed for 38 years because our coach urinated on a leprechaun’s four leaf clover.

This is an interesting comment from coogfans.com

Games on ESPN+? Let’s see, currently $4.99/month. For your AAC fans not currently subscribed, you signup. For sake of argument, let’s say 100,000 fans over the entire footprint signup. $60.00/year * 100,000 is $6M/year. And we’re getting a little less than $7M? Now, we all know over the length of the contract, ESPN would never raise the cost of ESPN+, riiiiight. So in theory, in 3 years (after ESPN raises its monthly rates) we fans will be paying more in monthly fees than ESPN will be paying the conference.

THIS IS THE BEST DEAL OUR COMMISSIONER COULD GET???

Time to go looking for a new commissioner.

ETA - although in thinking about it, this person's math is wrong unless they are trying to say one specific school brings in 100K subscribers alone (doubtful IMO)

Totally wrong math. But still a very good point.

So what I'm hearing from this, correct me if I'm wrong, is that Houston and UCF fans basically think that 7 million per is not enough?

That is beyond laughable, they absolutely have no idea their value or stance in the world of athletics.

The Big 12 to turn them down.

American schools are getting a great deal out of this. you can't look at what it could be in 2030, this contract will most likely be ripped apart by then. In the meantime, this is a huge increase, and should be noted by Conference USA as a blueprint for what to do moving forward.

Im actually shocked it was this much. Admittedly, I was completely wrong, but I figured they'd get between 1-2 million per school. I don't believe for a second that the AAC is worth as much as the entire rest of the G5 combined. We'd be better off joining up with the MAC, SunBelt, & MW to sell everything as 1 package for the same price. How are most G5 teams supposed to compete on an equal playing field when they get 1/14th the revenue of their closest G5 peer and 1/60th the revenue of their P5 peers?

(03-19-2019 09:39 PM)rileylives Wrote:  So what I'm hearing from this, correct me if I'm wrong, is that Houston and UCF fans basically think that 7 million per is not enough?

That is beyond laughable, they absolutely have no idea their value or stance in the world of athletics.

The Big 12 to turn them down.

American schools are getting a great deal out of this. you can't look at what it could be in 2030, this contract will most likely be ripped apart by then. In the meantime, this is a huge increase, and should be noted by Conference USA as a blueprint for what to do moving forward.

great ratings and teams in top 10 in both revenue sports. Yeah the aac has little value.

With no Grant of Rights, the AAC will be torn apart in 2025 by the BIG12 leftovers. Only ECU, Navy and the three private schools will be left. UConn most likely drops football. The AAC is living on borrowed time.

(03-19-2019 10:19 PM)Ourland Wrote:  With no Grant of Rights, the AAC will be torn apart in 2025 by the BIG12 leftovers. Only ECU, Navy and the three private schools will be left. UConn most likely drops football. The AAC is living on borrowed time.

Fine, we will take the money for that long. Just like TCU fans tell us.

(03-19-2019 10:19 PM)Ourland Wrote:  With no Grant of Rights, the AAC will be torn apart in 2025 by the BIG12 leftovers. Only ECU, Navy and the three private schools will be left. UConn most likely drops football. The AAC is living on borrowed time.

An attempt at a GoR would have torn the AAC apart a lot quicker, because no school with anything resembling ambition would choose to put an onerous roadblock to their exit for the P5. It would either have to be easily breakable, and thus with no power, or it'd get voted down and be a massive embarrassment to the conference. Not putting it out there takes that off the table. They'd have to have gotten a lot more than they did to make it worth the effort for Houston or Cincinnati or the Florida schools to sign on.

(03-19-2019 09:00 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  This is an interesting comment from coogfans.com

Games on ESPN+? Let’s see, currently $4.99/month. For your AAC fans not currently subscribed, you signup. For sake of argument, let’s say 100,000 fans over the entire footprint signup. $60.00/year * 100,000 is $6M/year. And we’re getting a little less than $7M? Now, we all know over the length of the contract, ESPN would never raise the cost of ESPN+, riiiiight. So in theory, in 3 years (after ESPN raises its monthly rates) we fans will be paying more in monthly fees than ESPN will be paying the conference.

THIS IS THE BEST DEAL OUR COMMISSIONER COULD GET???

Time to go looking for a new commissioner.

ETA - although in thinking about it, this person's math is wrong unless they are trying to say one specific school brings in 100K subscribers alone (doubtful IMO)

coog, says in total 100k AAC fans will pay 7 mil per year, divide that by 12 teams and it is only 580 K per school.. I doubt 100k sign up that wouldn't have signed up anyways.

(03-19-2019 10:19 PM)Ourland Wrote:  With no Grant of Rights, the AAC will be torn apart in 2025 by the BIG12 leftovers. Only ECU, Navy and the three private schools will be left. UConn most likely drops football. The AAC is living on borrowed time.

Without going into a lot of detail, Im going to say that Im becoming less and less optimistic about the chances of there being any G5's moved into the P5 anytime soon. The main reason I think that is that "other" sources of P5 conference revenue beyond media deal have become quite large. The CFP is especially significant (80-100 million per P5 conference). These other sources of conference revenue (like the CFP and NCAA credits) do not really expand when you add additional teams to your conference. So, at this point--to increase per team payouts--any G5 added would have to bring a MEDIA ONLY value that approaches the TOTAL conference distibution (not just the conference TV payout). The Big 12 distributes around 35 million per team (about 20 of which is from media). So, to break even, the new teams need to be worth fairly close to 35 million each in media value alone. I doubt any G5's can clear that hurdle.

(03-19-2019 11:10 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 10:19 PM)Ourland Wrote:  With no Grant of Rights, the AAC will be torn apart in 2025 by the BIG12 leftovers. Only ECU, Navy and the three private schools will be left. UConn most likely drops football. The AAC is living on borrowed time.

An attempt at a GoR would have torn the AAC apart a lot quicker, because no school with anything resembling ambition would choose to put an onerous roadblock to their exit for the P5. It would either have to be easily breakable, and thus with no power, or it'd get voted down and be a massive embarrassment to the conference. Not putting it out there takes that off the table. They'd have to have gotten a lot more than they did to make it worth the effort for Houston or Cincinnati or the Florida schools to sign on.

It was reported earlier in the year during negotiations that there was a discussion of a GOR but the conference turned down the idea. It didn't result in any embarrassment that I'm aware of.

$7 million per school is a good deal except for UConn, Cincinnati and South Florida.

The only downside I see is the length of the deal. 12 years is an eternity in television, heck, even 6 years is a long time. Technology in 2032 will be vastly different than today. Just think 12 years ago the iPhone was launched, Netflix was a mail order DVD rental, MySpace ruled social media, Facebook was mostly used by college students, Twitter didn’t exist and YouTube was in its infancy and the longest video was 10 minutes. Also, $7 million in 12 years will be peanuts compared to what the P5 leagues will make then but it’ll be above what C-USA, MAC and Sun Belt make. The MWC will definitely get a raise.

Big time Win for ESPN

AAC schools will pay for all the ESPN + production, 6+ million will go quick with all those costs, plus the very long term exclusive contract. This a very long term contract, which is huge win for ESPN. Aresco had to sign one the longest contracts out their to even get this amount.

Some of the AAC schools are currently getting more than this contract with exit fees, which are going away soon.

No way to spin this as a positive, these AAC posters have no sense of business reality AttackCoog, nlcNavy. Welcome to reality, you are worth what ESPN says you are worth

(03-20-2019 01:17 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  $7 million per school is a good deal except for UConn, Cincinnati and South Florida.

The only downside I see is the length of the deal. 12 years is an eternity in television, heck, even 6 years is a long time. Technology in 2032 will be vastly different than today. Just think 12 years ago the iPhone was launched, Netflix was a mail order DVD rental, MySpace ruled social media, Facebook was mostly used by college students, Twitter didn’t exist and YouTube was in its infancy and the longest video was 10 minutes. Also, $7 million in 12 years will be peanuts compared to what the P5 leagues will make then but it’ll be above what C-USA, MAC and Sun Belt make. The MWC will definitely get a raise.

Terrible deal for AAC schools. 12 years is incredibly long and a huge win for ESPN. Exclusive rights which means way more ESPN+ productions costs (not like CUSA which has Stadium, CBS, BEIN).

Their fans will be paying for the contract through ESPN+ subscriptions, plus the schools will foot all the production costs over 13 years with the rise inflation, ESPN is laughing all the way to the bank

(03-20-2019 01:18 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Big time Win for ESPN

AAC schools will pay for all the ESPN + production, 6+ million will go quick with all those costs, plus the very long term exclusive contract. This a very long term contract, which is huge win for ESPN. Aresco had to sign one the longest contracts out their to even get this amount.

Some of the AAC schools are currently getting more than this contract with exit fees, which are going away soon.

No way to spin this as a positive, these AAC posters have no sense of business reality AttackCoog, nlcNavy. Welcome to reality, you are worth what ESPN says you are worth

Says the person who pounded the table day and night that the AAC was gonna get a haircut and make under $2 million. Tools gonna tool.

(03-20-2019 01:18 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Big time Win for ESPN

AAC schools will pay for all the ESPN + production, 6+ million will go quick with all those costs, plus the very long term exclusive contract. This a very long term contract, which is huge win for ESPN. Aresco had to sign one the longest contracts out their to even get this amount.

Some of the AAC schools are currently getting more than this contract with exit fees, which are going away soon.

No way to spin this as a positive, these AAC posters have no sense of business reality AttackCoog, nlcNavy. Welcome to reality, you are worth what ESPN says you are worth

Ha ha. Oh my gosh. 7 million a team terrible. 12 year commitment from ESPN terrible. Playing on Abc terrible. Aac continued separation from the G5 terrible.

I dont think you get it. The Aac is now part of Espns long term plans. No other G5 league can say that. We are all in a fight for survival. THIS deal ensures Aac a place at the ESPN table for a long time. La tech cannot say that amd imo Cusa is in trouble going forward with no clear vision.

So yes this is a terrible deal for the Aac. We should have do e what Cusa has done with their contract. Cusa deal excellent..Aac deal terrible.

The new BIG12 in 2026:

WEST------------EAST
Baylor------------UCF
TCU---------------South Florida
Houston--------Temple
Memphis-------Cincinnati
KaAnsas--------Iowa State
Kansas St------West Virginia

New Southwest Conference 2026:

WEST---------------EAST
UTEP----------------Southern Miss
UTSA----------------Tulane
Rice-------------------ULL
North Texas------Louisiana Tech
Texas State------Arkansas State
SMU------------------Tulsa
New Mex St

My best guess here.

(03-20-2019 01:23 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Terrible deal for AAC schools. 12 years is incredibly long and a huge win for ESPN. Exclusive rights which means way more ESPN+ productions costs (not like CUSA which has Stadium, CBS, BEIN).

Their fans will be paying for the contract through ESPN+ subscriptions, plus the schools will foot all the production costs over 13 years with the rise inflation, ESPN is laughing all the way to the bank

I don't believe anyone pays for the production costs on Espn + on any of their programming. Maybe you can check with your Espn insiders to clarify.

As far as paying subscriber fees, fans of all schools already pay for their contracts with cable subscriptions and conference networks. The providers then take their cut plus ad revenue and then passes the contracted amount on to the schools. Surely you were aware of this. You might as well say that ticket sales at games aren't real athletic dept revenue because fans pay for it.