(03-18-2019 06:19 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(03-18-2019 06:16 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-18-2019 06:13 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  The fact that Southern Miss has to travel to Longwood is the biggest joke I have ever heard. C-USA continues to show its incompetence.

Glad I am not only one who feels this way...UAB at Brown is also embarrassing, if you want to play in these 4th rated tournaments at least host..

Ya Longwood is in Farmville, VA. Literally in the middle of nowhere. And Longwood was 15-17 on the year. Why the hell did C-USA and Southern Miss agree to this? This is embarrassing for the conference. Im shocked at this.

Open the season against D3 opponents, might as well close the season at the worst of D1.

(03-18-2019 07:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-18-2019 06:59 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  A lot of these tournaments are set up where you have to guarantee a gate, and perhaps it's the schools themselves (UAB, USM, etc.) that didn't want to guarantee the gate? But some of them (I can't recall if the CBI is part of that group) do guarantee if you travel for the first game and win that game, then you're guaranteed to host the second game (or next game after that - assuming you're not matched up with another team that has been on the road throughout the earlier rounds).

So it looks like CIT
IUPUI at Marshall (the Jim Phelan Classic) - Tuesday, March 19
FAU at Charleston - Thursday, March 21
FIU at Texas - Saturday, March 23

CBI
USM at Longwood - Wednesday, March 20
UAB at Brown - Wednesday, March 20

Good luck to all the teams. I wonder why WKU and UTSA aren't playing?

Why is Texas playing in a CHIT tournament? How did they not make the NIT?

FAU god a tough draw. Charleston is a solid program.

I'd imagine WKU and UTSA opted out. ODU opted not to play last year.

FIU is playing Texas State. FAU is playing Charleston Southern.

What is really embarrassing is when fans of teams in this conference chime in after a small amount of success they have had...never mind. Some of these same ones were on FAU fans when they did the same.

Eh....ODU has played in both of the C tourneys before...I'm not casting stones. Would have liked to see our guys host, but when attendance isnt there I get that it isn't financially viable. Best of luck to both squads.

(03-17-2019 10:45 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(03-17-2019 09:08 PM)usm99 Wrote:  

(03-17-2019 08:49 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  We are playing longwood, is that school or pornstar?

There must not be any requirement except you’re willing to pay the entry/participation fee. Longwood finished 12-17 with a NET of 291. They finished 9th in the BigSouth which was the 23rd ranked conference.

If Southern Miss has any desire at all to win the game then they should get past Longwood fairly easily. Just picture the old Globetrotters (Southern Miss) playing the Washington Generals (Longwood). Good luck and I will be rooting for your team to win the CBI Trophy. These games will pay dividends next season for your young guys if you are able to win a few games.

Not you in particular but I've seen this quoted many times and I don't get it. It's not like our "young guys" are going to start and/or play a majority of the game. I'd be shocked if the young guys even get 5-7 minutes and that's pushing it. Most if not all teams will play their usual lineup as the object is to win so teams will go with the lineup that got them there. After preseason practice along with 30 games let's be honest...how much more "practice" do teams/players really need at this point? And yes I hear the talk about football teams getting the extra practices for bowl games but I've always felt that was more about TV exposure which the CBI/CIT neither one provide much of unless you make the championship at which point you've paid quite a bit to reach that point. Again, I'm not knocking the decision to play another couple games but just don't get the "young guys getting more experience" talk.

Well, it appears I cannot answer that question or provide my opinion without being "embarrassing" or appearing as a high-horse type. All I have to add is good luck in all your games and I hope it provides value to your team and fans.

(03-18-2019 07:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-18-2019 06:59 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  A lot of these tournaments are set up where you have to guarantee a gate, and perhaps it's the schools themselves (UAB, USM, etc.) that didn't want to guarantee the gate? But some of them (I can't recall if the CBI is part of that group) do guarantee if you travel for the first game and win that game, then you're guaranteed to host the second game (or next game after that - assuming you're not matched up with another team that has been on the road throughout the earlier rounds).

So it looks like CIT
IUPUI at Marshall (the Jim Phelan Classic) - Tuesday, March 19
FAU at Charleston - Thursday, March 21
FIU at Texas - Saturday, March 23

CBI
USM at Longwood - Wednesday, March 20
UAB at Brown - Wednesday, March 20

Good luck to all the teams. I wonder why WKU and UTSA aren't playing?

Why is Texas playing in a CHIT tournament? How did they not make the NIT?

FAU god a tough draw. Charleston is a solid program.

I'd imagine WKU and UTSA opted out. ODU opted not to play last year.

UTSA did turn down invites to the CIB and CIT

(03-18-2019 06:59 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  A lot of these tournaments are set up where you have to guarantee a gate, and perhaps it's the schools themselves (UAB, USM, etc.) that didn't want to guarantee the gate? But some of them (I can't recall if the CBI is part of that group) do guarantee if you travel for the first game and win that game, then you're guaranteed to host the second game (or next game after that - assuming you're not matched up with another team that has been on the road throughout the earlier rounds).

So it looks like CIT
IUPUI at Marshall (the Jim Phelan Classic) - Tuesday, March 19
FAU at Charleston Southern - Thursday, March 21
FIU at Texas State - Saturday, March 23

CBI
USM at Longwood - Wednesday, March 20
UAB at Brown - Wednesday, March 20

Good luck to all the teams. I wonder why WKU and UTSA aren't playing?

ETA - sorry forgot State after Texas. I knew it was Texas State all along but just forgot the extra word. Hell, Texas State might be better than a .500 Texas team right now anyway (with all of UT's injuries, defections, and suspensions).

You really think WKU wants to be associated with anything having to do with these joke of a tournaments.....All of these schools in this tournament are from the bottom of the barrel conferences minus West Virginia who is about 8 games under .500, what a joke...

(03-18-2019 07:39 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  What is really embarrassing is when fans of teams in this conference chime in after a small amount of success they have had...never mind. Some of these same ones were on FAU fans when they did the same.

Agreed, anyone winning these tournaments, I would not be bragging too much...

(03-18-2019 09:35 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-18-2019 06:59 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  A lot of these tournaments are set up where you have to guarantee a gate, and perhaps it's the schools themselves (UAB, USM, etc.) that didn't want to guarantee the gate? But some of them (I can't recall if the CBI is part of that group) do guarantee if you travel for the first game and win that game, then you're guaranteed to host the second game (or next game after that - assuming you're not matched up with another team that has been on the road throughout the earlier rounds).

So it looks like CIT
IUPUI at Marshall (the Jim Phelan Classic) - Tuesday, March 19
FAU at Charleston Southern - Thursday, March 21
FIU at Texas State - Saturday, March 23

CBI
USM at Longwood - Wednesday, March 20
UAB at Brown - Wednesday, March 20

Good luck to all the teams. I wonder why WKU and UTSA aren't playing?

ETA - sorry forgot State after Texas. I knew it was Texas State all along but just forgot the extra word. Hell, Texas State might be better than a .500 Texas team right now anyway (with all of UT's injuries, defections, and suspensions).

You really think WKU wants to be associated with anything having to do with these joke of a tournaments.....All of these schools in this tournament are from the bottom of the barrel conferences minus West Virginia who is about 8 games under .500, what a joke...

If it gives you any chance to keep Bassey at least one more year, I'd consider it. Then again, I'm not sure if anything keeps him around at this point.

(03-18-2019 08:41 AM)usm99 Wrote:  

(03-17-2019 10:45 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(03-17-2019 09:08 PM)usm99 Wrote:  

(03-17-2019 08:49 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  We are playing longwood, is that school or pornstar?

There must not be any requirement except you’re willing to pay the entry/participation fee. Longwood finished 12-17 with a NET of 291. They finished 9th in the BigSouth which was the 23rd ranked conference.

If Southern Miss has any desire at all to win the game then they should get past Longwood fairly easily. Just picture the old Globetrotters (Southern Miss) playing the Washington Generals (Longwood). Good luck and I will be rooting for your team to win the CBI Trophy. These games will pay dividends next season for your young guys if you are able to win a few games.

Not you in particular but I've seen this quoted many times and I don't get it. It's not like our "young guys" are going to start and/or play a majority of the game. I'd be shocked if the young guys even get 5-7 minutes and that's pushing it. Most if not all teams will play their usual lineup as the object is to win so teams will go with the lineup that got them there. After preseason practice along with 30 games let's be honest...how much more "practice" do teams/players really need at this point? And yes I hear the talk about football teams getting the extra practices for bowl games but I've always felt that was more about TV exposure which the CBI/CIT neither one provide much of unless you make the championship at which point you've paid quite a bit to reach that point. Again, I'm not knocking the decision to play another couple games but just get the "young guys getting more experience" talk.

Certainly it depends on how Doc approaches the game(s). Against a team like Longwood Southern Miss should be able to play any younger (freshman, sophomore) players that are expected to return next season significant minutes and still advance to the next round. Edwards, Cortez, Drane, etc. are good enough to get enough points when there are in there to ensure the win overall.

Several years ago ODU had a mix of young and experienced players. Coach Blaine Taylor played his younger players more minutes in the tournament than he did per game during the season. ODU ultimately won the tournament (CBI or CIT). The next season many of those same "younger" players starred for ODU as they won the CAA Conference Tournament and went to the NCAA. Blaine spoke openly about how the younger players got additional and significant experience and practices that they otherwise would not have gotten had they not played in the post game tournament. He gave much of the credit for the team's success to having played in that tournament the prior season.

I believe North Texas also played in one of these things last year and made a significant improvement this year. It could be coincidence, but it could also have some bearing on it as well. My recommendation to Doc would be to play the non-seniors as much as possible while still getting the win so that you can move on and get even more time to play and practice together.

(03-18-2019 06:13 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  The fact that Southern Miss has to travel to Longwood is the biggest joke I have ever heard. C-USA continues to show its incompetence.

It's really pretty simple. We knew that our fanbase would have absolutely zero interest in watching us host Longwood. There'd be 200 fans in the stands. So why would we opt in AND PAY the CBI to host them? It doesn't make financial sense. Maybe further down the line when the opponent is more appealing.

(03-18-2019 07:39 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  What is really embarrassing is when fans of teams in this conference chime in after a small amount of success they have had...never mind. Some of these same ones were on FAU fans when they did the same.

I applaud teams for playing in these tournaments if none of the others are available to them. Kids just want to play games. Seniors don't want their college careers to end and underclassmen just want to get more playing time. Who cares what anyone else thinks?

If coaches like Doc do the right thing and play the players that will return next year more minutes than they have gotten during the season, it will give them a jump start for later 7 months from now (October) when practice for next season starts. As I just mentioned in a post above, ODU coach Blaine Taylor did exactly that and insists that it had a significant impact on his team winning the conference the very next season.

Which is the better of the two tourneys (CIT or CBI) ?

They're pretty similar. I don't think one is any better than the other, just a preference really.

(03-18-2019 06:59 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  A lot of these tournaments are set up where you have to guarantee a gate, and perhaps it's the schools themselves (UAB, USM, etc.) that didn't want to guarantee the gate? But some of them (I can't recall if the CBI is part of that group) do guarantee if you travel for the first game and win that game, then you're guaranteed to host the second game (or next game after that - assuming you're not matched up with another team that has been on the road throughout the earlier rounds).

So it looks like CIT
IUPUI at Marshall (the Jim Phelan Classic) - Tuesday, March 19
FAU at Charleston Southern - Thursday, March 21
FIU at Texas State - Saturday, March 23

CBI
USM at Longwood - Wednesday, March 20
UAB at Brown - Wednesday, March 20

Good luck to all the teams. I wonder why WKU and UTSA aren't playing?

ETA - sorry forgot State after Texas. I knew it was Texas State all along but just forgot the extra word. Hell, Texas State might be better than a .500 Texas team right now anyway (with all of UT's injuries, defections, and suspensions).

Any times/TV/Streaming info yet?

(03-18-2019 10:35 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(03-18-2019 06:59 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  A lot of these tournaments are set up where you have to guarantee a gate, and perhaps it's the schools themselves (UAB, USM, etc.) that didn't want to guarantee the gate? But some of them (I can't recall if the CBI is part of that group) do guarantee if you travel for the first game and win that game, then you're guaranteed to host the second game (or next game after that - assuming you're not matched up with another team that has been on the road throughout the earlier rounds).

So it looks like CIT
IUPUI at Marshall (the Jim Phelan Classic) - Tuesday, March 19
FAU at Charleston Southern - Thursday, March 21
FIU at Texas State - Saturday, March 23

CBI
USM at Longwood - Wednesday, March 20
UAB at Brown - Wednesday, March 20

Good luck to all the teams. I wonder why WKU and UTSA aren't playing?

ETA - sorry forgot State after Texas. I knew it was Texas State all along but just forgot the extra word. Hell, Texas State might be better than a .500 Texas team right now anyway (with all of UT's injuries, defections, and suspensions).

Any times/TV/Streaming info yet?

based off last year's tv info it "appears" that whatever tv format the home team used was used for the early rounds. If that's the case USM "could" be on ESPN+ as all of Longwood's home games were on that network.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Colle...vitational

EDIT:
Longwood's website now showing the USM game as an ESPN+ broadcast

Here are the times, and I believe that all games are streamed on the site:
http://www.collegeinsider.com/tournament...esults.php

The value of the C tournaments really depend on where a team is in their development. If you think an additional couple of games might help with player development, or if you think you'd get enough of a gate to pay for the hosting fee, I don't think there's any harm in participating. If there's no benefit, then there's no reason to play for the sake of playing. But what other schools do really shouldn't have any bearing on your school's decision process.

For what it's worth, I'd be willing to wager that Southern Miss is one of the most prominent opponents to ever visit Longwood (they managed a home game with Seton Hall a few years ago; that's probably their biggest one).

(03-18-2019 01:04 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  The value of the C tournaments really depend on where a team is in their development. If you think an additional couple of games might help with player development, or if you think you'd get enough of a gate to pay for the hosting fee, I don't think there's any harm in participating. If there's no benefit, then there's no reason to play for the sake of playing. But what other schools do really shouldn't have any bearing on your school's decision process.

For what it's worth, I'd be willing to wager that Southern Miss is one of the most prominent opponents to ever visit Longwood (they managed a home game with Seton Hall a few years ago; that's probably their biggest one).

With a gym capacity of 1900 and in the middle of nowhere as some have stated I don't see too many schools wanting to go there especially if there's no payday involved. Maybe a home and home with a regional type school but not too many others. Sadly but truthfully kind of similar to USM in the attendance is bad, it's not a metro area and until this year our RPI/NET has been in the 250-325 range the last several years