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(03-20-2019 01:39 PM)Rasser Wrote:  Sparty comes in last on priorities. I care less about that game than the rest of the MAC.

I'll agree to disagree with you. Playing MSU every other year is a good benchmark for our recruiting and coaching. It's time to stop automatically chalking up an L against them. Doing so is nothing less than settling for mediocrity.

I, for one, enjoy it when we remind their fanbase that their football team is not the world-beaters they think they are. Time to start winning against them.

(03-20-2019 01:48 PM)wingsenforcer Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 01:39 PM)Rasser Wrote:  Sparty comes in last on priorities. I care less about that game than the rest of the MAC.

I'll agree to disagree with you. Playing MSU every other year is a good benchmark for our recruiting and coaching. It's time to stop automatically chalking up an L against them. Doing so is nothing less than settling for mediocrity.

I, for one, enjoy it when we remind their fanbase that their football team is not the world-beaters they think they are. Time to start winning against them.

Coaches had better feel otherwise.

It's "fun" for the fan base to fantasize about being a program funded 100 times more than ours (not an exaggeration), but not for people serious about this program.

Our best, mature group against a sub par one that they put up would be our best chance, all timing. Even then it's long odds. I'll be happy to see us compete well, a "W" would be exciting and awesome, but it'll only last a week, then we start MAC play shortly thereafter, you know, the conference that matters?

(03-20-2019 01:48 PM)wingsenforcer Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 01:39 PM)Rasser Wrote:  Sparty comes in last on priorities. I care less about that game than the rest of the MAC.

I'll agree to disagree with you. Playing MSU every other year is a good benchmark for our recruiting and coaching. It's time to stop automatically chalking up an L against them. Doing so is nothing less than settling for mediocrity.

I, for one, enjoy it when we remind their fanbase that their football team is not the world-beaters they think they are. Time to start winning against them.

Agree.

Several MAC teams beat Pig10 teams every year. Why not WMU against MSU?!

I also agree the MAC schedule is considerably more important. Non-conference games are little more than exhibition, except they do help with post-season bowl bids. Coaches clearly understand that.

WMU would not have been in the Cotton Bowl without a 2-0 Pig10 record (darned near 3-0) in 2016. But that 2-0 Pig10 record would not have meant much if WMU lost several MAC games and did not win the championship.

Beating Michigan State, or Michigan, is also special because you get to remind their bloated, ignorant, boorish fans how our program, which is significantly underfunded compared to theirs (as another poster pointed out), just beat their fat azzes. And you can do that for an entire year, every day!!

Granted, a win over NIU or Akron means more, just not nearly has much fun for the fans, players, or coaches.

We walk into Spartan Stadium expecting a win, believing we can win. If L, not the end of the world. If W, not end-all, be-all. Look at Terry Bowden. Walked Akron into a West Division Champion Northwestern stadium, walked out with a W, and packed his bags at the end of the season. On the other hand, look at top Group of 5 programs: they beat the Power 5. Each champion of the Group of 5 conferences usually has at least 1 Power 5 win.

(03-20-2019 01:02 PM)fastbuicks Wrote:  

(03-18-2019 08:21 PM)okgc Wrote:  ^ Negative Nelly

No kidding. 4 wins? Anyone following the MAC last 20 years knows majority of success in this league is the QB play. Wassink, if healed, is easy top 3 MAC QB in 2019. I would debate that we have more options at WR than 2016 Cotton Bowl team that relied on CD. Also at least 3 deep at RB. Lester has tools to win MAC just need some luck and few injuries at skill positions.

3 deep at RB? More WR tools then 2016? No and no. Also, as a lot of fans are saying: the defense doesn't just need help, it needs MAJOR help.

I'm saying 4 wins is the low-end. Remember 2017 6-6? I think we'll probably end up going 7-5 again regular season.

I want to give TL the benefit of the doubt, believe he's capable of winning the MAC, and want to give him the full 4 years before his seat gets warm, but I think he's still got to show he can coach. Our recruiting is dropping too.

(03-20-2019 06:01 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  We walk into Spartan Stadium expecting a win, believing we can win. If L, not the end of the world. If W, not end-all, be-all. Look at Terry Bowden. Walked Akron into a West Division Champion Northwestern stadium, walked out with a W, and packed his bags at the end of the season. On the other hand, look at top Group of 5 programs: they beat the Power 5. Each champion of the Group of 5 conferences usually has at least 1 Power 5 win.

(03-20-2019 01:02 PM)fastbuicks Wrote:  

(03-18-2019 08:21 PM)okgc Wrote:  ^ Negative Nelly

No kidding. 4 wins? Anyone following the MAC last 20 years knows majority of success in this league is the QB play. Wassink, if healed, is easy top 3 MAC QB in 2019. I would debate that we have more options at WR than 2016 Cotton Bowl team that relied on CD. Also at least 3 deep at RB. Lester has tools to win MAC just need some luck and few injuries at skill positions.

3 deep at RB? More WR tools then 2016? No and no. Also, as a lot of fans are saying: the defense doesn't just need help, it needs MAJOR help.

I'm saying 4 wins is the low-end. Remember 2017 6-6? I think we'll probably end up going 7-5 again regular season.

I want to give TL the benefit of the doubt, believe he's capable of winning the MAC, and want to give him the full 4 years before his seat gets warm, but I think he's still got to show he can coach. Our recruiting is dropping too.

Where do you get your recruiting info? A while back you said that Fleck was recruiting well at Minnesota (he's not, he came in 10th), and now you're saying that Lester's recruiting is dropping?

It's not. We came in a close 2nd to Toledo according to 247's team rankings.

(03-20-2019 07:14 PM)Rasser Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 06:01 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  We walk into Spartan Stadium expecting a win, believing we can win. If L, not the end of the world. If W, not end-all, be-all. Look at Terry Bowden. Walked Akron into a West Division Champion Northwestern stadium, walked out with a W, and packed his bags at the end of the season. On the other hand, look at top Group of 5 programs: they beat the Power 5. Each champion of the Group of 5 conferences usually has at least 1 Power 5 win.

(03-20-2019 01:02 PM)fastbuicks Wrote:  

(03-18-2019 08:21 PM)okgc Wrote:  ^ Negative Nelly

No kidding. 4 wins? Anyone following the MAC last 20 years knows majority of success in this league is the QB play. Wassink, if healed, is easy top 3 MAC QB in 2019. I would debate that we have more options at WR than 2016 Cotton Bowl team that relied on CD. Also at least 3 deep at RB. Lester has tools to win MAC just need some luck and few injuries at skill positions.

3 deep at RB? More WR tools then 2016? No and no. Also, as a lot of fans are saying: the defense doesn't just need help, it needs MAJOR help.

I'm saying 4 wins is the low-end. Remember 2017 6-6? I think we'll probably end up going 7-5 again regular season.

I want to give TL the benefit of the doubt, believe he's capable of winning the MAC, and want to give him the full 4 years before his seat gets warm, but I think he's still got to show he can coach. Our recruiting is dropping too.

Where do you get your recruiting info? A while back you said that Fleck was recruiting well at Minnesota (he's not, he came in 10th), and now you're saying that Lester's recruiting is dropping?

It's not. We came in a close 2nd to Toledo according to 247's team rankings.

I go to 24/7 as well. I recall Minnesota being right up with Michigan $t. Looks like this year 2019 indeed Minnesota's off to a bad start, 43.

Also, WMU used to be 50-60. Last year I believe dropped all the way to 80s! This year's off to a bad start as well, 88 right now. Eek. 2nd in the MAC but dropping overall each year under TL.

(03-20-2019 07:14 PM)Rasser Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 06:01 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  We walk into Spartan Stadium expecting a win, believing we can win. If L, not the end of the world. If W, not end-all, be-all. Look at Terry Bowden. Walked Akron into a West Division Champion Northwestern stadium, walked out with a W, and packed his bags at the end of the season. On the other hand, look at top Group of 5 programs: they beat the Power 5. Each champion of the Group of 5 conferences usually has at least 1 Power 5 win.

(03-20-2019 01:02 PM)fastbuicks Wrote:  

(03-18-2019 08:21 PM)okgc Wrote:  ^ Negative Nelly

No kidding. 4 wins? Anyone following the MAC last 20 years knows majority of success in this league is the QB play. Wassink, if healed, is easy top 3 MAC QB in 2019. I would debate that we have more options at WR than 2016 Cotton Bowl team that relied on CD. Also at least 3 deep at RB. Lester has tools to win MAC just need some luck and few injuries at skill positions.

3 deep at RB? More WR tools then 2016? No and no. Also, as a lot of fans are saying: the defense doesn't just need help, it needs MAJOR help.

I'm saying 4 wins is the low-end. Remember 2017 6-6? I think we'll probably end up going 7-5 again regular season.

I want to give TL the benefit of the doubt, believe he's capable of winning the MAC, and want to give him the full 4 years before his seat gets warm, but I think he's still got to show he can coach. Our recruiting is dropping too.

Where do you get your recruiting info? A while back you said that Fleck was recruiting well at Minnesota (he's not, he came in 10th), and now you're saying that Lester's recruiting is dropping?

It's not. We came in a close 2nd to Toledo according to 247's team rankings.

Toledo was #71 with21 commits. WMU was #88 with 23 commits.

(03-21-2019 06:41 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 07:14 PM)Rasser Wrote:  

(03-20-2019 06:01 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  We walk into Spartan Stadium expecting a win, believing we can win. If L, not the end of the world. If W, not end-all, be-all. Look at Terry Bowden. Walked Akron into a West Division Champion Northwestern stadium, walked out with a W, and packed his bags at the end of the season. On the other hand, look at top Group of 5 programs: they beat the Power 5. Each champion of the Group of 5 conferences usually has at least 1 Power 5 win.

(03-20-2019 01:02 PM)fastbuicks Wrote:  

(03-18-2019 08:21 PM)okgc Wrote:  ^ Negative Nelly

No kidding. 4 wins? Anyone following the MAC last 20 years knows majority of success in this league is the QB play. Wassink, if healed, is easy top 3 MAC QB in 2019. I would debate that we have more options at WR than 2016 Cotton Bowl team that relied on CD. Also at least 3 deep at RB. Lester has tools to win MAC just need some luck and few injuries at skill positions.

3 deep at RB? More WR tools then 2016? No and no. Also, as a lot of fans are saying: the defense doesn't just need help, it needs MAJOR help.

I'm saying 4 wins is the low-end. Remember 2017 6-6? I think we'll probably end up going 7-5 again regular season.

I want to give TL the benefit of the doubt, believe he's capable of winning the MAC, and want to give him the full 4 years before his seat gets warm, but I think he's still got to show he can coach. Our recruiting is dropping too.

Where do you get your recruiting info? A while back you said that Fleck was recruiting well at Minnesota (he's not, he came in 10th), and now you're saying that Lester's recruiting is dropping?

It's not. We came in a close 2nd to Toledo according to 247's team rankings.

Toledo was #71 with21 commits. WMU was #88 with 23 commits.

Facts.

#1 and #2 in the MAC. No “eek”. (Eyeroll)