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(03-18-2019 06:34 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
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(03-18-2019 06:09 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Sorry, the reason it "didn't happen" is we had a coach who couldn't coach defense and felt the players were the problem. They weren't.
Oddly enough, nothing improved as we moved away from our experienced Juniors to our Sophomore and Freshmen gaurds. With them as bench players, we still managed to lose 9 of our last 10 conference games and finish dead last in the CAA.

He'd better hope we have a drastic turn around next year, because he doesn't have enough guards blame and bench. And if we don't improve dramatically, the transfers this year will be a drop in the bucket compared to the end of next year. The heat just got turned up dramatically. No more Keatts players on the roster.

Oh good grief. Enough with your “McGrath is the coach, the sky is falling”. Lol. Your same song and dance is becoming nauseating.

They lost their starting spots because of spotty offensive production to go along with minimal defense. Gadsden came in immediately and produced on a regular basis and played better defense (no, not great, but better). Same with Sims. Estime was a bit spotty and as the season went on we saw Gadsden and Sims getting the lion’s share of the minutes. That’s called fair and equal competition. Get over it.


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Feel free to ignore and scroll on by then. You know you're allowed to do that, right?

Is that what you want? Everybody to just ignore you? Because that’s the direction things go when you post the same things over and over.

No skin off my back either way. I'll never know unless you feel the need to say you ignored my post.

By all means then, enjoy your soap box.


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(03-18-2019 06:36 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 06:34 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 06:24 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 06:20 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 06:14 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Oh good grief. Enough with your “McGrath is the coach, the sky is falling”. Lol. Your same song and dance is becoming nauseating.

They lost their starting spots because of spotty offensive production to go along with minimal defense. Gadsden came in immediately and produced on a regular basis and played better defense (no, not great, but better). Same with Sims. Estime was a bit spotty and as the season went on we saw Gadsden and Sims getting the lion’s share of the minutes. That’s called fair and equal competition. Get over it.


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Feel free to ignore and scroll on by then. You know you're allowed to do that, right?

Is that what you want? Everybody to just ignore you? Because that’s the direction things go when you post the same things over and over.

No skin off my back either way. I'll never know unless you feel the need to say you ignored my post.

By all means then, enjoy your soap box.


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We all have soap boxes. Enjoy yours too.
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(03-18-2019 06:32 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
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(03-18-2019 05:50 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  It's a darn shame that this staff basically pushed these guys out like they did. Any good staff would have done what was necessary to ensure they had them for next year.

They were upperclassman that underperformed this season. If that’s what you call being pushed out than so be it. They were both starters going into the season. They had plenty of chances to be leaders on this seasons team and for whatever reason it didn’t happen. It’s best that all parties involved start fresh IMO, but I’m sure there are more that will use these transfers to bash the staff even more...

Sorry, the reason it "didn't happen" is we had a coach who couldn't coach defense and felt the players were the problem. They weren't.
Oddly enough, nothing improved as we moved away from our experienced Juniors to our Sophomore and Freshmen gaurds. With them as bench players, we still managed to lose 9 of our last 10 conference games and finish dead last in the CAA.

He'd better hope we have a drastic turn around next year, because he doesn't have enough guards blame and bench. And if we don't improve dramatically, the transfers this year will be a drop in the bucket compared to the end of next year. The heat just got turned up dramatically. No more Keatts players on the roster.

Like I said, people will use this as a reason to bash CB and the staff even more.. I’m not even going to waste the time and effort in going back and forth over it. Fact of the matter is, Taylor and Fornes are gone. Kill the staff or defend the staff, CB will be here for at least one more season (probably more). I’ll sit back and see what they can do, because they’ve had some great success on the recruiting trail.


Lol, I predicted these two would transfer when Elmore left. No surprise to me at all so there is no "additional" bashing involved. I felt then and I feel now that players were blamed for poor coaching.

We'll see if the great success on the recruiting trail translates to wins on the court. I'm a UNCW fan, not a coach fan. I hope McGrath wins the CAA next year. I hope he turns it around and is here for 15 years as a successful coach like he said he would.

Fair enough, just trying not to let the Transfer Updates thread turn into a CB can’t coach defense thread. Lord knows we’ve had enough of those this season.
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RE: Transfer Updates
(03-18-2019 06:43 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
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(03-18-2019 06:18 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 06:09 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 06:00 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  They were upperclassman that underperformed this season. If that’s what you call being pushed out than so be it. They were both starters going into the season. They had plenty of chances to be leaders on this seasons team and for whatever reason it didn’t happen. It’s best that all parties involved start fresh IMO, but I’m sure there are more that will use these transfers to bash the staff even more...

Sorry, the reason it "didn't happen" is we had a coach who couldn't coach defense and felt the players were the problem. They weren't.
Oddly enough, nothing improved as we moved away from our experienced Juniors to our Sophomore and Freshmen gaurds. With them as bench players, we still managed to lose 9 of our last 10 conference games and finish dead last in the CAA.

He'd better hope we have a drastic turn around next year, because he doesn't have enough guards blame and bench. And if we don't improve dramatically, the transfers this year will be a drop in the bucket compared to the end of next year. The heat just got turned up dramatically. No more Keatts players on the roster.

Like I said, people will use this as a reason to bash CB and the staff even more.. I’m not even going to waste the time and effort in going back and forth over it. Fact of the matter is, Taylor and Fornes are gone. Kill the staff or defend the staff, CB will be here for at least one more season (probably more). I’ll sit back and see what they can do, because they’ve had some great success on the recruiting trail.


Lol, I predicted these two would transfer when Elmore left. No surprise to me at all so there is no "additional" bashing involved. I felt then and I feel now that players were blamed for poor coaching.

We'll see if the great success on the recruiting trail translates to wins on the court. I'm a UNCW fan, not a coach fan. I hope McGrath wins the CAA next year. I hope he turns it around and is here for 15 years as a successful coach like he said he would.

Fair enough, just trying not to let the Transfer Updates thread turn into a CB can’t coach defense thread. Lord knows we’ve had enough of those this season.


This became a "Fornes and Taylor can't play" thread. I've had enough of those as well.
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(03-18-2019 05:50 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  It's a darn shame that this staff basically pushed these guys out like they did. Any good staff would have done what was necessary to ensure they had them for next year.

I’ll be honest. I wish those guys the best going forward, but IMO, neither of them fit in the direction the program was going. I think this works out better for both parties, honestly. There’s no need for coach to string guys along, knowing he won’t play them and there’s no reason for them to stay knowing they won’t play.

I’ll say this to, McGrath didn’t “push these guys out” either. Pushing them out would’ve been never starting them or giving them a chance. In reality, they were our season opening starters and lost their jobs in fair competition. Sims, Gadsden and Estime proved to be better assets on the court this year and the competition is what pushed them to transfer. There’s no loss of humanity or anything for either side to hang their heads on or be blamed for.

Your argument here isn’t very good or fair to the coaching staff or current players.


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You hit the nail on the head CG. They don't fit the direction the program is going, which is down freaking hill.
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(03-18-2019 06:00 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 05:50 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  It's a darn shame that this staff basically pushed these guys out like they did. Any good staff would have done what was necessary to ensure they had them for next year.

They were upperclassman that underperformed this season. If that’s what you call being pushed out than so be it. They were both starters going into the season. They had plenty of chances to be leaders on this seasons team and for whatever reason it didn’t happen. It’s best that all parties involved start fresh IMO, but I’m sure there are more that will use these transfers to bash the staff even more...
Come on Miller! Everytime they made one mistake they got pulled. But every McGrath recruit could drive to the basket, turn it over, take bad shots and they still got minutes.
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RE: Transfer Updates
(03-18-2019 07:06 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 06:00 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 05:50 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  It's a darn shame that this staff basically pushed these guys out like they did. Any good staff would have done what was necessary to ensure they had them for next year.

They were upperclassman that underperformed this season. If that’s what you call being pushed out than so be it. They were both starters going into the season. They had plenty of chances to be leaders on this seasons team and for whatever reason it didn’t happen. It’s best that all parties involved start fresh IMO, but I’m sure there are more that will use these transfers to bash the staff even more...
Come on Miller! Everytime they made one mistake they got pulled. But every McGrath recruit could drive to the basket, turn it over, take bad shots and they still got minutes.

I'm sorry, but that's pure BS. Taylor never really got it together. When Fornes did step up his game, he got plenty of pt. He screwed himself by breaking the rules. I don't know about Taylor, but I see Fornes being very productive with this team next year. If he can stay focused, he will be a key ingredient for this team.
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(03-18-2019 07:15 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 07:06 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 06:00 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 05:50 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  It's a darn shame that this staff basically pushed these guys out like they did. Any good staff would have done what was necessary to ensure they had them for next year.

They were upperclassman that underperformed this season. If that’s what you call being pushed out than so be it. They were both starters going into the season. They had plenty of chances to be leaders on this seasons team and for whatever reason it didn’t happen. It’s best that all parties involved start fresh IMO, but I’m sure there are more that will use these transfers to bash the staff even more...
Come on Miller! Everytime they made one mistake they got pulled. But every McGrath recruit could drive to the basket, turn it over, take bad shots and they still got minutes.

I'm sorry, but that's pure BS. Taylor never really got it together. When Fornes did step up his game, he got plenty of pt. He screwed himself by breaking the rules. I don't know about Taylor, but I see Fornes being very productive with this team next year. If he can stay focused, he will be a key ingredient for this team.
Take your rose colored glasses off and be real. Fornes was getting the shaft long before he broke team rules. Taylor was the Iceman last season and early this season before he got screwed by the staff.
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(03-18-2019 07:15 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 07:06 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 06:00 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 05:50 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  It's a darn shame that this staff basically pushed these guys out like they did. Any good staff would have done what was necessary to ensure they had them for next year.

They were upperclassman that underperformed this season. If that’s what you call being pushed out than so be it. They were both starters going into the season. They had plenty of chances to be leaders on this seasons team and for whatever reason it didn’t happen. It’s best that all parties involved start fresh IMO, but I’m sure there are more that will use these transfers to bash the staff even more...
Come on Miller! Everytime they made one mistake they got pulled. But every McGrath recruit could drive to the basket, turn it over, take bad shots and they still got minutes.

I'm sorry, but that's pure BS. Taylor never really got it together. When Fornes did step up his game, he got plenty of pt. He screwed himself by breaking the rules. I don't know about Taylor, but I see Fornes being very productive with this team next year. If he can stay focused, he will be a key ingredient for this team.

What "this team" do you speak of?
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(03-18-2019 07:18 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 07:15 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 07:06 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 06:00 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 05:50 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  It's a darn shame that this staff basically pushed these guys out like they did. Any good staff would have done what was necessary to ensure they had them for next year.

They were upperclassman that underperformed this season. If that’s what you call being pushed out than so be it. They were both starters going into the season. They had plenty of chances to be leaders on this seasons team and for whatever reason it didn’t happen. It’s best that all parties involved start fresh IMO, but I’m sure there are more that will use these transfers to bash the staff even more...
Come on Miller! Everytime they made one mistake they got pulled. But every McGrath recruit could drive to the basket, turn it over, take bad shots and they still got minutes.

I'm sorry, but that's pure BS. Taylor never really got it together. When Fornes did step up his game, he got plenty of pt. He screwed himself by breaking the rules. I don't know about Taylor, but I see Fornes being very productive with this team next year. If he can stay focused, he will be a key ingredient for this team.
Take your rose colored glasses off and be real. Fornes was getting the shaft long before he broke team rules. Taylor was the Iceman last season and early this season before he got screwed by the staff.

“Screwed by the staff”???

Please elaborate.


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(03-18-2019 07:21 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 07:15 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 07:06 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 06:00 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 05:50 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  It's a darn shame that this staff basically pushed these guys out like they did. Any good staff would have done what was necessary to ensure they had them for next year.

They were upperclassman that underperformed this season. If that’s what you call being pushed out than so be it. They were both starters going into the season. They had plenty of chances to be leaders on this seasons team and for whatever reason it didn’t happen. It’s best that all parties involved start fresh IMO, but I’m sure there are more that will use these transfers to bash the staff even more...
Come on Miller! Everytime they made one mistake they got pulled. But every McGrath recruit could drive to the basket, turn it over, take bad shots and they still got minutes.

I'm sorry, but that's pure BS. Taylor never really got it together. When Fornes did step up his game, he got plenty of pt. He screwed himself by breaking the rules. I don't know about Taylor, but I see Fornes being very productive with this team next year. If he can stay focused, he will be a key ingredient for this team.

What "this team" do you speak of?

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. He’s already announced he’s leaving the program. Probably just an oversight by 33, I doubt it was intentional.


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(03-18-2019 07:45 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(03-18-2019 07:21 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
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(03-18-2019 06:00 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  They were upperclassman that underperformed this season. If that’s what you call being pushed out than so be it. They were both starters going into the season. They had plenty of chances to be leaders on this seasons team and for whatever reason it didn’t happen. It’s best that all parties involved start fresh IMO, but I’m sure there are more that will use these transfers to bash the staff even more...
Come on Miller! Everytime they made one mistake they got pulled. But every McGrath recruit could drive to the basket, turn it over, take bad shots and they still got minutes.

I'm sorry, but that's pure BS. Taylor never really got it together. When Fornes did step up his game, he got plenty of pt. He screwed himself by breaking the rules. I don't know about Taylor, but I see Fornes being very productive with this team next year. If he can stay focused, he will be a key ingredient for this team.

What "this team" do you speak of?

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. He’s already announced he’s leaving the program. Probably just an oversight by 33, I doubt it was intentional.


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I was playing in a softball tournament this past weekend. Missed the announcement. Sorry to see Fornes go. I do think he could have contributed more to "this team" next year. But I stand by what I said about his lack of playing time was all on him. Early on he was missing defensive assignments and trying to take on three defenders at once driving to the basket, resulting in turnovers. He eventually improved his play to the point that he had four good games in a row, earning more playing time in the process. He then screwed himself by breaking team rules. With what has happened in the past to other players breaking rules, he could have been kicked off the team. Instead, he was given another chance.
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I hope you aren't serious 33! Sure he caused a little bit of the playing time issues by breaking team rules, but he never had a chance with this staff. Once he made 1 (one) mistake, he was coming out of the game. But if Cylla or Simms messed up, they stayed in the game. If you don't believe me, go back and watch film.
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I think we all knew both of these were more likely than not. I liked both guys and felt we never saw Fornes in his prime. Not sure he would have reached it here. Cant fault CB for benching them. He had to do something to shake this team up.

Time to move on. Hoping we land a good guard and post player via the juco or transfer route. CB and staff were preparing for this I’m sure.
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I’m honestly surprised by this. C.B. is very much like Roy In a lot of ways. One thing Roy is really good at is player development. One could make a legitimate case that both these players regressed under his watch


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(03-18-2019 08:33 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  I hope you aren't serious 33! Sure he caused a little bit of the playing time issues by breaking team rules, but he never had a chance with this staff. Once he made 1 (one) mistake, he was coming out of the game. But if Cylla or Simms messed up, they stayed in the game. If you don't believe me, go back and watch film.

You seem to keep going back to your stale argument while purposefully ignoring the fact both of these guys were starters at the beginning of the season. Nobody disagrees that as the season wore on their playing time decreased. That’s what happens in ANY new coach’s time molding his team. Saying either “never had a chance with this staff” is BS, plain and simple. Fornes started last year and started at the beginning of this year. He’s not a bad player, at all. He’s good. So nobody should take this post as anything else or put words in my mouth I’m not saying. The issue was their streaky offensive production and lack of any defensive effort. Gadsden came in and immediately matched both on both ends, and did so with consistency. Perhaps YOU should go rewatch some games.

Your best bet here is to stick with your PT decreasing point and stop saying Fornes and Taylor weren’t ever given a chance. The facts aren’t on your side in the latter.


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(03-18-2019 08:33 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  I hope you aren't serious 33! Sure he caused a little bit of the playing time issues by breaking team rules, but he never had a chance with this staff. Once he made 1 (one) mistake, he was coming out of the game. But if Cylla or Simms messed up, they stayed in the game. If you don't believe me, go back and watch film.



Your best bet here is to stick with your PT decreasing point and stop saying Fornes and Taylor weren’t ever given a chance. The facts aren’t on your side in the latter.


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They definitely had a much quicker hook than others. That's not really debatable.
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We already had glowing issues on defense. Is it possible that CB was actually trying to get guys to defend better? What I saw was Fornes figuring it out and getting more playing time in the process. There are those on here that said Keatts didn't teach defense past the half court line. I also saw Simms getting better on offense and defense. Which resulted in a more aggressive and confident player down the stretch. I'm sure this was also showing in practice.
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And if there was a quicker hook on Tayor and Fornes, it looks like he kept giving them more chances to improve. I thought Fornes was responding well to the challenge.
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Former UNCW Signee and Indiana State F Clayton Hughes (SO) is leaving the program. One of the "Keatts 5" that bailed when he went to Raleigh. Hargrave kid, so he'll find a place pretty easily. I highly doubt it will be UNCW.
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