(03-13-2019 05:40 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Whomever runs the FAA should have done it earlier.

It's a government agency. Money comes before people.

(03-13-2019 06:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 06:40 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  I've read the crashes of the max 737 were by inexperienced pilots. Maybe they didn't have the same training available as in the USA. Also heard USA pilots are comfortable with this aircraft but also have thousands of hours of training.

The pilots here are complaining about an issue. Experience and inexperience, these crashes will occur no matter what skills you have.

Totally the opposite is true.

1. Some pilots knew about the auto system. 2. Some were not informed.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-13/7...a/10895542

1. In one report, an airline captain said that immediately after putting the plane on autopilot the co-pilot called out "descending", which was followed by an audio cockpit warning, "Don't sink, don't sink!"

The captain immediately disconnected the autopilot and resumed climbing.

"With the concerns with the MAX 8 nose down stuff, we both thought it appropriate to bring it to your attention," the captain wrote.

The captain added that the "best guess from me is airspeed fluctuation" due to a brief weather system overwhelming the plane's automation.
Low-altitude warning system was blamed in both reports


https://www.wired.com/story/boeing-737-m...-lion-air/

2. If the pilots had known the MCAS was at fault, they could have shut down the plane’s ability to automatically adjust its trim (which determines its position in the air) so they could manually do it themselves. But they ended up “behind the airplane,” confused and trying to figure out what the computer was up to. “When you’re behind the airplane, you’re almost dead,” Aimer says.

That may be because they didn’t know the MCAS existed: In the jet’s manual, Boeing had not noted its presence. In November, The Wall Street Journal reported that the company had worried about “inundating average pilots with too much information—and significantly more technical data—than they needed or could digest.”

Meanwhile, Boeing was pitching the 737 MAX to airlines as being so similar to the previous generation that pilots flying the old 737 would barely need any new training.

(03-13-2019 03:17 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 03:09 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 01:41 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 01:38 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 01:37 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  with Boeing having 3 crashes in 6 months, I completely agree with this move.

3, I thought is was 2?

Amazon Cargo jet that crashed in Texas just east of Houston was a Boeing 767, happened probably 2 weeks ago or so

That one nosed down as well, and pilot radioed that he had lost control of the airplane. But that's a completely different aircraft and that was a landing approach accident rather than a takeoff accident. Would be interesting to know if it was a newer model with similar generation software. The 767 dates from the 1980s and I don't know how much they've updated it. The 37 dates from the 60s or 70s, but tee have been a lot of updates.

I'm always a little leery of computerized fly-by-wire technology, especially if human overrides are difficult to accomplish. If I remember correctly the Airbus crash at the Paris Air Show, the pilot radioed that the computer had taken over and he couldn't override.

The Atlas Air 767 that crashed was an older plane. The 767 crash is a strange one.

http://www.thedrive.com/news/26933/amazo...-ntsb-says

I personally think this was a suicide, just by the way it happened (The Amazon Boeing 767 flight).

(03-13-2019 08:35 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 05:40 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Whomever runs the FAA should have done it earlier.

It's a government agency. Money comes before people.

no shite sherlock....

we know you prefer 'hot damn anarchist mob rules'.....

(03-13-2019 03:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 02:48 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Wonder when the resolution in the House to condemn this emergency declaration will be voted on?

How much in the way of allocated funds is this action diverting from their stated purpose by congress?

The constitution gives the President the power to do both. He is his own equal branch of Government.

(03-13-2019 05:40 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Whomever runs the FAA should have done it earlier.

That's a great question. Hasn't the FAA been without a congressionally approved leader for months now?

(03-14-2019 11:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 05:40 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Whomever runs the FAA should have done it earlier.

That's a great question. Hasn't the FAA been without a congressionally approved leader for months now?

like a true dippo, that would solve the problem...

you never cease to amaze....

(03-14-2019 01:41 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  1. Some pilots knew about the auto system. 2. Some were not informed.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-13/7...a/10895542

1. In one report, an airline captain said that immediately after putting the plane on autopilot the co-pilot called out "descending", which was followed by an audio cockpit warning, "Don't sink, don't sink!"

The captain immediately disconnected the autopilot and resumed climbing.

"With the concerns with the MAX 8 nose down stuff, we both thought it appropriate to bring it to your attention," the captain wrote.

The captain added that the "best guess from me is airspeed fluctuation" due to a brief weather system overwhelming the plane's automation.
Low-altitude warning system was blamed in both reports


https://www.wired.com/story/boeing-737-m...-lion-air/

2. If the pilots had known the MCAS was at fault, they could have shut down the plane’s ability to automatically adjust its trim (which determines its position in the air) so they could manually do it themselves. But they ended up “behind the airplane,” confused and trying to figure out what the computer was up to. “When you’re behind the airplane, you’re almost dead,” Aimer says.

That may be because they didn’t know the MCAS existed: In the jet’s manual, Boeing had not noted its presence. In November, The Wall Street Journal reported that the company had worried about “inundating average pilots with too much information—and significantly more technical data—than they needed or could digest.”

Meanwhile, Boeing was pitching the 737 MAX to airlines as being so similar to the previous generation that pilots flying the old 737 would barely need any new training.

MCAS was not in the operating manual?

(03-14-2019 11:27 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-14-2019 11:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 05:40 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Whomever runs the FAA should have done it earlier.

That's a great question. Hasn't the FAA been without a congressionally approved leader for months now?

like a true dippo, that would solve the problem...

you never cease to amaze....

I never said that would solve any problem.

Your continued rambling and nonsensical posts never cease to amaze ME.

(03-14-2019 11:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-14-2019 11:27 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-14-2019 11:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 05:40 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Whomever runs the FAA should have done it earlier.

That's a great question. Hasn't the FAA been without a congressionally approved leader for months now?

like a true dippo, that would solve the problem...

you never cease to amaze....

I never said that would solve any problem.

Your continued rambling and nonsensical posts never cease to amaze ME.

it's a biatch when you don't get your massive gubberment way, eh?

#stingslikeabiatch

it would be different in argument if you'd actually make a point on your own....

I depend on nobody other that me wits....all ewe do is move the posts and chime like a fart in the wind....

#geuaxredwings



see how easy that is.....

(03-14-2019 01:13 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-14-2019 11:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-14-2019 11:27 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-14-2019 11:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 05:40 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Whomever runs the FAA should have done it earlier.

That's a great question. Hasn't the FAA been without a congressionally approved leader for months now?

like a true dippo, that would solve the problem...

you never cease to amaze....

I never said that would solve any problem.

Your continued rambling and nonsensical posts never cease to amaze ME.

it's a biatch when you don't get your massive gubberment way, eh?

#stingslikeabiatch

it would be different in argument if you'd actually make a point on your own....

I depend on nobody other that me wits....all ewe do is move the posts and chime like a fart in the wind....

#geuaxredwings



see how easy that is.....

Exhibit #1,584,962