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RE: Rice Men v Marshall 1st Rnd 9pm game thread
He hits them twirling around too.
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RE: Rice Men v Marshall 1st Rnd 9pm game thread
There's stuff we can control and then there's stuff we can't control. Elmore doing this falls in the latter category. But he has two fouls. So we should be attacking him every time we have the ball. Get him off the floor.
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RE: Rice Men v Marshall 1st Rnd 9pm game thread
(03-13-2019 10:05 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 09:52 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 09:44 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 09:40 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 09:37 PM)Antarius Wrote:  13-33.

This is an 18-13 CUSA team we are up against. World beaters, they are not.

We beat them by 5.

And?

Am I supposed to shower accolades? They suck. I expect to beat them.

They don’t “suck” relative to us. They’re the 6 and we are the 11. If you let a team shoot 60% you’re going to be down big.

Yes they do not suck relative to us.
Yes that is because we suck more.
And yes, see point 1 and 2.

Just framing some context on our performance and our opponent. I'm a little gun shy from the last decade of self pleasuring over unprecedented success over bad opponents.

Pretty sure everyone on this board knows where we are as a team. Yes it’s a poor performance tonight... clearly, since we beat them this season.
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RE: Rice Men v Marshall 1st Rnd 9pm game thread
(03-13-2019 10:07 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 10:05 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 09:52 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 09:44 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 09:40 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  We beat them by 5.

And?

Am I supposed to shower accolades? They suck. I expect to beat them.

They don’t “suck” relative to us. They’re the 6 and we are the 11. If you let a team shoot 60% you’re going to be down big.

Yes they do not suck relative to us.
Yes that is because we suck more.
And yes, see point 1 and 2.

Just framing some context on our performance and our opponent. I'm a little gun shy from the last decade of self pleasuring over unprecedented success over bad opponents.

Pretty sure everyone on this board knows where we are as a team. Yes it’s a poor performance tonight... clearly, since we beat them this season.

See you're characterizing this as a poor performance by elevating them on a pedestal.

Beating them isn't impressive. They arent good! They can be BEATEN by a poor performance too.
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Despite tonight's performance, there was much hope in this season from the Men's team. Offseason, whenever it comes, will be crucial. Hope we can pull tonight out, but am grateful for these players.
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Down 25 and Pera's solution is to bring in a lineup with nobody who can score. Interesting strategy. And his decision, down 18, to not have Rob start the second half is inexplicably stupid. Why do we purposely choose to handicap ourselves by sitting our best player to start halves?
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RE: Rice Men v Marshall 1st Rnd 9pm game thread
(03-13-2019 10:09 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 10:07 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 10:05 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 09:52 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 09:44 PM)Antarius Wrote:  And?

Am I supposed to shower accolades? They suck. I expect to beat them.

They don’t “suck” relative to us. They’re the 6 and we are the 11. If you let a team shoot 60% you’re going to be down big.

Yes they do not suck relative to us.
Yes that is because we suck more.
And yes, see point 1 and 2.

Just framing some context on our performance and our opponent. I'm a little gun shy from the last decade of self pleasuring over unprecedented success over bad opponents.

Pretty sure everyone on this board knows where we are as a team. Yes it’s a poor performance tonight... clearly, since we beat them this season.

See you're characterizing this as a poor performance by elevating them on a pedestal.

Beating them isn't impressive. They arent good! They can be BEATEN by a poor performance too.

I don't know if they suck. They're an average team (KenPom = 164 out of 353). They also seem to be a team with high variability in performance. Sometimes they play like a top 100 team, sometimes like a bottom 100 team. I can't watch the game tonight, so can't speak for the performance. But "they suck" seems kinda simplistic and general.
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(03-13-2019 10:10 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Despite tonight's performance, there was much hope in this season from the Men's team. Offseason, whenever it comes, will be crucial. Hope we can pull tonight out, but am grateful for these players.

Not the kind of performance I wanted to see the season end on. But the future is brighter than it has been in quite a while.
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RE: Rice Men v Marshall 1st Rnd 9pm game thread
(03-13-2019 10:09 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 10:07 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 10:05 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 09:52 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 09:44 PM)Antarius Wrote:  And?

Am I supposed to shower accolades? They suck. I expect to beat them.

They don’t “suck” relative to us. They’re the 6 and we are the 11. If you let a team shoot 60% you’re going to be down big.

Yes they do not suck relative to us.
Yes that is because we suck more.
And yes, see point 1 and 2.

Just framing some context on our performance and our opponent. I'm a little gun shy from the last decade of self pleasuring over unprecedented success over bad opponents.

Pretty sure everyone on this board knows where we are as a team. Yes it’s a poor performance tonight... clearly, since we beat them this season.

See you're characterizing this as a poor performance by elevating them on a pedestal.

Beating them isn't impressive. They arent good! They can be BEATEN by a poor performance too.

I know you’re not a dumb*** so this has to be on purpose. They clearly can’t be beat by a poor performance by us as shown tonight.
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There's no shame in losing to a Marshall team playing like this, but to come out so flat and seemingly disinterested is really disappointing. There was no energy tonight, no fight.
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(03-13-2019 10:23 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  There's no shame in losing to a Marshall team playing like this, but to come out so flat and seemingly disinterested is really disappointed. There was no energy tonight, no fight.

C'mon. I agree with the issue with the energy etc, but yes. There is a HUGE issue with losing to a.Marshall team like this.

The goalposts have to move. This is not a good team we are playing.
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RE: Rice Men v Marshall 1st Rnd 9pm game thread
(03-13-2019 10:26 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 10:23 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  There's no shame in losing to a Marshall team playing like this, but to come out so flat and seemingly disinterested is really disappointed. There was no energy tonight, no fight.

C'mon. I agree with the issue with the energy etc, but yes. There is a HUGE issue with losing to a.Marshall team like this.

The goalposts have to move. This is not a good team we are playing.

I agree with you that Marshall isn't very good, but I think we differ in opinion as to how good Rice is. There are some glaring flaws in the team we're seeing right now. Even if Marshall is probably an average team, we're not to that level yet. I agree that we should never be losing by 30, but when Jon Elmore has a night like this, most CUSA teams are going to lose to Marshall.
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(03-13-2019 10:30 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 10:26 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 10:23 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  There's no shame in losing to a Marshall team playing like this, but to come out so flat and seemingly disinterested is really disappointed. There was no energy tonight, no fight.

C'mon. I agree with the issue with the energy etc, but yes. There is a HUGE issue with losing to a.Marshall team like this.

The goalposts have to move. This is not a good team we are playing.

I agree with you that Marshall isn't very good, but I think we differ in opinion as to how good Rice is. There are some glaring flaws in the team we're seeing right now. Even if Marshall is probably an average team, we're not to that level yet. I agree that we should never be losing by 30, but when Jon Elmore has a night like this, most CUSA teams are going to lose to Marshall.

I'm not arguing where Rice is.. I'm saying where I expect Rice to be. Where we are is probably losing by 30; thats simply not ok.

I've kept most of my opinions to myself this season on MBB (relative to everything else here) to watch and see. My impression from last year stands - this looks like Ben Braun - better talent, Driesbach quality coaching.

You have one job. One game to prep for. How do you show up looking like a fire alarm went off?
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(03-13-2019 10:30 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  I agree that we should never be losing by 30, but when Jon Elmore has a night like this, most CUSA teams are going to lose to Marshall.

Yeah, but... there is a very good chance that Elmore going off is not independent of the fact that he is facing Rice.

This game is bad, bad mojo for us. Long ago, I said I would give Pera two years to show us something. I was confident that he had already shown us enough, but after this one... mmm, I don't know. I'm back on the fence in a big way.
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(03-13-2019 10:41 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 10:30 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  I agree that we should never be losing by 30, but when Jon Elmore has a night like this, most CUSA teams are going to lose to Marshall.

Yeah, but... there is a very good chance that Elmore going off is not independent of the fact that he is facing Rice.

This game is bad, bad mojo for us. Long ago, I said I would give Pera two years to show us something. I was confident that he had already shown us enough, but after this one... mmm, I don't know. I'm back on the fence in a big way.

Talk about moving the goalposts. What did you prefict to start the season... like 6 wins? We had 13 wins at 1 stolen. Young teams have growing pains.
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(03-13-2019 10:43 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  Talk about moving the goalposts. What did you prefict to start the season... like 6 wins? We had 13 wins at 1 stolen. Young teams have growing pains.

I didn't predict anything, actually. But as ever cr11, you can't have a discussion without being a snarky ****. Get bent. "Moving the goalposts" wasn't even my comment.
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(03-13-2019 10:35 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 10:30 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 10:26 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 10:23 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  There's no shame in losing to a Marshall team playing like this, but to come out so flat and seemingly disinterested is really disappointed. There was no energy tonight, no fight.

C'mon. I agree with the issue with the energy etc, but yes. There is a HUGE issue with losing to a.Marshall team like this.

The goalposts have to move. This is not a good team we are playing.

I agree with you that Marshall isn't very good, but I think we differ in opinion as to how good Rice is. There are some glaring flaws in the team we're seeing right now. Even if Marshall is probably an average team, we're not to that level yet. I agree that we should never be losing by 30, but when Jon Elmore has a night like this, most CUSA teams are going to lose to Marshall.

I'm not arguing where Rice is.. I'm saying where I expect Rice to be. Where we are is probably losing by 30; thats simply not ok.

I've kept most of my opinions to myself this season on MBB (relative to everything else here) to watch and see. My impression from last year stands - this looks like Ben Braun - better talent, Driesbach quality coaching.

You have one job. One game to prep for. How do you show up looking like a fire alarm went off?

My main concern is there's a disconnect in Pera's coaching, desired style of play, and recruiting strategy. I really like this year's class of freshmen. They have the opportunity to be really special. But I'm also confused at what Pera is trying to build. He recruited guards with length because he's a defensive minded coach, but we don't defend well. He runs an offense predicated on a good passing point guard and good shooters, but he didn't recruit a true PG.

If you don't luck into a Marcus Evans or JA Morant as a mid-major, then you have to build a team with parts that fit and work well with each other. Again, I'll go with the Belmont example. Every year, they have a guard who steps up and averages 6 assists per game. Scores occasionally but whose main job is to facilitate. They surround him with really good shooters and a strong interior big man and they run really good offensive sets. That system works. Teams know what Rick Byrd is going to run, and have for years, but it's still a well-oiled machine regardless. I don't see that sort of plan at Rice, yet. My hope is that all changes. Mullins develops a more consistent shot, as do Moore and Parrish. Peterson and Murphy balance their games out. A year brings about great progress on defense, etc., etc., etc. There is plenty of opportunity for growth, but it's not just going to happen by itself.

And I want to stress that I'm not trying to be too pessimistic. There are all the makings of a phenomenal team with this roster. But we need to find consistency and winning 20 games next season isn't as easy as just assuming average progress as a team will get us there.
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(03-13-2019 10:45 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 10:43 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  Talk about moving the goalposts. What did you prefict to start the season... like 6 wins? We had 13 wins at 1 stolen. Young teams have growing pains.

I didn't predict anything, actually. But as ever cr11, you can't have a discussion without being a snarky ****. Get bent. "Moving the goalposts" wasn't even my comment.

I know it wasn’t, but it was used earlier in this discussion. The consensus on the board was single digit wins. When we win 13(+1) games people come complain about a poor performance in the last game? Give me a break.
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FTR, the final score was 82-65, Marshall.
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Pretty pathetic that we were outnumbered 3-1 by Marshall fans given that the DFW area has Rice’s second biggest alumni base.
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