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RE: Dems-following the Rules is for suckers!
(03-13-2019 09:19 AM)BroncoEngineer05 Wrote:  The remaining 80% is the exhausted-middle who just want things done in a manner that's beneficial to all of us without a care of which side comes up with the idea.

The more people who get their news from Twitter arguments and social media memes, the more that 80% is going to get whittled down.

My concern is the recent rise in populist "my way or the highway" hardliners who gain massive followings. On the one side, conservatives toss aside their limited government principles to rally behind uber-nationalist Trump and the toxic alt-right. On the other side, we're seeing the likes of tax-to-the-stone-age Bernie and now 'AOC' becoming media-driven rock stars.

There's really no viable third party. The Greens are even more socialist than the socialists, and the Libertarians get into too much law-of-the-jungle (although the LP's 2016 ticket of Johnson/Weld was fairly moderate by libertarian standards).

Now that doesn't mean even the "fringes" don't have valid ideas especially in the cases of social/civil liberties. Sometimes an idea that may seem radical or unprecedented, regardless of ideology, is the most valid and reasonable. But what 'made America great' (ahem) are leaders who didn't sway too far from the center and showed the ability to compromise and reach across the aisle, both domestically and internationally, and try representing all Americans instead of their own ilk or pushing identity politics. In other words, the adults in the room.

The best form of governance is that of a healthy mix of free-market capitalism blended with government protections, safety nets, and public services. You can't tax people back to the stone age, but you can't have taxes so low that important government services are jeopardized. You can't have so many regulations that it stifles business growth, but not have so few that it's a free-for-all prone to abuse. Those sorts of things... Stray too far off the path, you'll get Pinochet's Chile, or Putin's Russia, or Maduro's Venezuela.

If 2020 winds up being something like Trump vs. Sanders, it'll be landmark election, and not necessarily in a good way. I'll truly miss the days of McCain, both Clintons, Kasich, Obama, Flake, Romney, Biden, etc., even though each of them may have glaring faults of their own.
03-14-2019 07:51 AM
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RE: Dems-following the Rules is for suckers!
Good post MB.

Social media is and has changed how people get their news. The scary part is that people choose only those views they believe and the algorithms FB and etc use limit what you see. Hard to see the big picture when you are viewing only a sliver of reality.
03-14-2019 08:09 AM
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RE: Dems-following the Rules is for suckers!
(03-14-2019 08:09 AM)Aimless1 Wrote:  Good post MB.

Social media is and has changed how people get their news. The scary part is that people choose only those views they believe and the algorithms FB and etc use limit what you see. Hard to see the big picture when you are viewing only a sliver of reality.

Agree!

What makes it worse is when extremist partisans attempt to impede our ability to get "the big picture" and be exposed to contrasting opinion. Too many seriously want to make a difference of opinion illegal.

Reasonable people disagree everyday, but are adult enough to work through differences rather than silencing their opposition.

I like that Tip O'Neil and Ronald Reagan had enough respect for each other - despite their significant ideological differences - to have lunch together every St. Patrick's Day. There is an Irish Bar in Alexandria, Virginia, that encased a table they ate at in plexiglas and surrounded it with pictures of them having a beer & burger together.

Cool and comforting considering the childish division and jack-boot absolutism we see now from BOTH political parties.
03-14-2019 09:03 AM
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(03-13-2019 10:23 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 09:19 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 09:40 AM)HaymondAtThe4 Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 09:19 AM)BroncoEngineer05 Wrote:  
(03-13-2019 08:51 AM)broncofan1 Wrote:  No party holds the high ground on morality or 'rule following'. Only ideologues believe otherwise.

I gotta think the true breakdown of party alliance is something along the lines of:
10% - Far right Republicans who think all Democrats are evil.
10% - Far left Democrats who think all Republicans are evil.

The remaining 80% is the exhausted-middle who just want things done in a manner that's beneficial to all of us without a care of which side comes up with the idea.

But we can't not acknowledge the moral differences between the parties in the interest of making peace. Republicans by and large believe that climate change is either not real or not caused by humans. Democrats don't do enough to address it, but at least they agree it's real and a problem. We can't afford to sit in the middle of that and say "Well some people say humans are causing warming, some say we're not. They both probably have valid points." This is a problem because it rules out the type of bold aggressive action the UN says is necessary to avoid or at least minimize climate disaster. I'm not saying anyone here is doing that, but I think sometimes people equate the far left and the far right in the US as similarly bad. And sometimes people stop there and fail to actually examine the policies and how they correspond with the issues.


Democrats by and large are intellectually challenged. Take your point on global warming, there is NO CONSENSUS among scientists that global climate change is caused largely by mankind. None. The only scientists who say it is are those who have skin in the game, ie those who receive funding from organizations for promoting that theory. It is POLITICS and not science that is driving that theory, nothing more.

I recognize the limitations within your side-most of you have only a passing acquaintance with science and mathematics, you're easily duped when it comes to things like that. I'm not one to proclaim my own education credentials to support my arguments, but I have a BS, MS and PhD in electrical engineering. My IQ as measured by Stanford-Binet scale has been placed at anywhere from 150-165 at various times that I took that test. I belonged to MENSA for a few years until I got tired of paying dues, that I couldn't even get a tax write-off for. In a nutshell, I've forgotten more about science and mathematics than most of you ever knew in the first place. So I'm not going to quibble about whether mankind is the major factor in global climate change with a bunch of self-important, deluded, scientifically challenged, mongoloid Leftists who couldn't balance a chemical equation or follow a mathematical proof if their lives depended on it. You're out of your depth, face it.

As I've noted, the folks in my own family who are the biggest leftists are the least educated and the most easily impressed by the demagogues on the Progressive side. As Hillary Clinton once noted, 'Most Democrats are not very smart.'. I couldn't have said it better myself. You can all eat my crusty shorts, I salute you with my middle finger!

In case you didn't grasp that last comment I'll leave a pic for you:

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That’s true, you’re really impressive. But you still throw like a girl.03-lmfao

Philly sounds just like his boy.

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White, male, straight, Christian, pro-life, Republican here.
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How in the world do I have 2000 some posts already? :o
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