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(03-12-2019 01:34 PM)Doggone Wrote:  The woman ref blew the whistle. She called the foul. I believe they were reviewing to see if the foul occurred prior to the final buzzer or after. But who knows.

The crowd was loud and the buzzer *ending* the game went off so I didn't hear a whistle. But, I did see the ref put her fist up to signal a foul. I knew the celebration was premature.

I don't understand what took so long with the video review. I assumed they were checking how much time to put on the clock but that shouldn't have taken that long.
03-12-2019 01:45 PM
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(03-12-2019 12:33 PM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  
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(03-11-2019 08:59 PM)houstonhuskie Wrote:  Describe the last few seconds. I was only following on game cast


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After NIU scored on a backdoor cut for a wide open layup TO was called. Ball advanced past halfcourt for inbound by wmu.

Screen set at top of 3 arc and their shooter took shot but looked to be tipped slightly. Ball hit rim and fell straight down to their big baller but facing away from basket. She swung around to shoot but hit bottom iron. Game over. Red lights. NIU runs on court. BUT WAIT.

Refs call foul.

It was hard to see the foul actually. I got to sit behind bench and see officials review angles (after the game). I saw it multiple times but nobody was close to shooters arm unless they called the foul on an NIU player who was reaching down and falling to floor. At that point the ball was at shooters hip who was not in position to shoot she was sideways looking away from the rim. If that was case it was a lame call.

Anyone able to see clearly the foul on TV?

So after standing around for 5 minutes with replay review the wmu shooter tightened up and missed 2 FTs although both were close. Game over again.

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From what I saw the ref under the basket called a foul (it ended up being on Riley Blackwell). On the initial shot Riley was knocked down. She was nowhere near the shooter of that last second shot. It seemed take forever for them review the play. My guess is that they were trying to figure out how much time was left, but that has to be simple. I don't know if they were looking to see whether there was an elbow thrown (again there was nobody near the girl who ended up shooting the free throws) or something else. Or possibly checking all the angles to see if the foul (cough, cough) occurred after the buzzer.

I would guess that a review that takes that long, especially, at the end of the game would probably get reviewed by the league or conference, as well.

Would be interesting to know if anyone with first hand knowledge or within the athletic department knows the protocol on something like this.

Certainly, you have to feel for the girl that missed both free throws, but for NIU to lose or been forced into overtime on a call like that would have been just as, or even, more heartbreaking.

We are really playing thin right now---really only six had significant minutes.....and going up against Ohio----it's going to be incredibly tough to stay in the game. Best of luck to the ladies---hopefully can shock the conference and get to 20 wins.
What is confusing and doesn't seem fair, is if a player is fouled in a shooting motion they allow a certain amount of continuation. In this case if they went back to the "foul" did they count the time for the ball to leave the shooter's hand or did they reset the clock to the actual foul spot in time?

Or should they count the time the ball goes up and hits rim?

Imho, I think this is what they had trouble with. The other 2 refs who didn't make call were the ones reviewing and resetting clock time.

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(03-12-2019 01:45 PM)NIUHuskie Wrote:  
(03-12-2019 01:34 PM)Doggone Wrote:  The woman ref blew the whistle. She called the foul. I believe they were reviewing to see if the foul occurred prior to the final buzzer or after. But who knows.

The crowd was loud and the buzzer *ending* the game went off so I didn't hear a whistle. But, I did see the ref put her fist up to signal a foul. I knew the celebration was premature.

I don't understand what took so long with the video review. I assumed they were checking how much time to put on the clock but that shouldn't have taken that long.

I didn't hear a whistle either but I also didn't see the ref's arm signal, so I guess that clears that bit up. There was a foul called.

Still, nobody has been able to point to any actual physical contact that could be perceived as a foul. That part is still some bullshît.

If the play is being reviewed for the 'time' of the foul are they not allowed to review if it was a foul in the first place? If a foul was called but there is no foul present on the video, shouldn't the refs have CORRECTED the call on the floor? Or are the rules written so that 'judgement calls' cannot be corrected and only the time review is allowed? Not sure of the rules, serious question.

But if that was the case, that's crap too. If the video evidence is clear that there was no contact, the phantom foul should have been thrown out.
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(03-12-2019 02:11 PM)NorthCoast Wrote:  
(03-12-2019 01:45 PM)NIUHuskie Wrote:  
(03-12-2019 01:34 PM)Doggone Wrote:  The woman ref blew the whistle. She called the foul. I believe they were reviewing to see if the foul occurred prior to the final buzzer or after. But who knows.

The crowd was loud and the buzzer *ending* the game went off so I didn't hear a whistle. But, I did see the ref put her fist up to signal a foul. I knew the celebration was premature.

I don't understand what took so long with the video review. I assumed they were checking how much time to put on the clock but that shouldn't have taken that long.

I didn't hear a whistle either but I also didn't see the ref's arm signal, so I guess that clears that bit up. There was a foul called.

Still, nobody has been able to point to any actual physical contact that could be perceived as a foul. That part is still some bullshît.

If the play is being reviewed for the 'time' of the foul are they not allowed to review if it was a foul in the first place? If a foul was called but there is no foul present on the video, shouldn't the refs have CORRECTED the call on the floor? Or are the rules written so that 'judgement calls' cannot be corrected and only the time review is allowed? Not sure of the rules, serious question.

But if that was the case, that's crap too. If the video evidence is clear that there was no contact, the phantom foul should have been thrown out.
I don't think they can review if a foul is called but this is college so I'm not as fluent in all the obscure rules.

So an internet search did show one answer... cannot use replay for judgement calls such as fouls, basket interference, or certain other violations.

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(03-12-2019 02:11 PM)NorthCoast Wrote:  
(03-12-2019 01:45 PM)NIUHuskie Wrote:  
(03-12-2019 01:34 PM)Doggone Wrote:  The woman ref blew the whistle. She called the foul. I believe they were reviewing to see if the foul occurred prior to the final buzzer or after. But who knows.

The crowd was loud and the buzzer *ending* the game went off so I didn't hear a whistle. But, I did see the ref put her fist up to signal a foul. I knew the celebration was premature.

I don't understand what took so long with the video review. I assumed they were checking how much time to put on the clock but that shouldn't have taken that long.

I didn't hear a whistle either but I also didn't see the ref's arm signal, so I guess that clears that bit up. There was a foul called.

Still, nobody has been able to point to any actual physical contact that could be perceived as a foul. That part is still some bullshît.

If the play is being reviewed for the 'time' of the foul are they not allowed to review if it was a foul in the first place? If a foul was called but there is no foul present on the video, shouldn't the refs have CORRECTED the call on the floor? Or are the rules written so that 'judgement calls' cannot be corrected and only the time review is allowed? Not sure of the rules, serious question.

But if that was the case, that's crap too. If the video evidence is clear that there was no contact, the phantom foul should have been thrown out.

Foul calls are NOT reviewable.
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(03-11-2019 09:32 PM)62423dp Wrote:  What’s interesting is that the word is that the WMU player Wool had an on campus visit with NIU at one. How’s that for what comes around goes around?

Leighah Amori-Wool from Evanston. Saw her play in high school. Good player, but she's 71% at the foul line and you have to make one of those.
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(03-12-2019 03:07 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  I don't think they can review if a foul is called but this is college so I'm not as fluent in all the obscure rules.

So an internet search did show one answer... cannot use replay for judgement calls such as fouls, basket interference, or certain other violations.

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(03-12-2019 04:41 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  Foul calls are NOT reviewable.

I think we have our answer.

Interesting to see if the MAC fesses up to it.

Pretty obvious (to me, given this new info) that the review took as long as it did because when reviewing the video to isolate the time WHEN the "foul" took place, it was impossible since there was no physical contact (i.e., NO FOUL) between an NIU player and the player with possession of the ball. But because the foul wasn't "reviewable" the refs just settled on .6 seconds, or whatever it was.

Pathetic.

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