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New bill in congress would allow NCAA athletes to make $ from their name and image
This would be a big (and good) change, if it ever becomes law.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2019...mpic-model
Quote:Rep. Mark Walker (R., N.C.) will introduce a bill Thursday—likely through the Ways and Means committee—that would amend the definition of a qualified amateur sports organization in the U.S. tax code. In the new definition, a body seeking to be defined as a qualified amateur sports organization would be banned from “prohibiting or substantially restricting the use of an athlete’s name, image and likeness.”

In other words, if the NCAA wanted to remain tax-exempt, the schools that run it couldn’t keep a rule on the books banning athletes from making money off their names. If an athlete wants to sign autographs for cash, fine. If a company wants to hire that athlete to pitch its products, swell. Walker has been examining this issue for the past 18 months, and he sees it as a free-market issue and a basic rights issue. “It’s a travesty and an injustice that the one segment of our society that can’t access the free market like every other person in America is the student athlete,” Walker says. He’d like to see athletes treated like college students who excel at any other discipline. “If a kid is at a school on a music scholarship, you can go get gigs,” he says. “You can play in an orchestra, whatever you want to do without it having any kind of impact. And you’re doing it based on your talent, image and likeness.”
Quote:The NCAA should worry, because Walker isn’t alone. He says he has met with House Democrats such as Bobby Scott (Virginia), Cedric Richmond (Louisiana) and Hakeem Jeffries (New York) about this bill, and Walker expects bipartisan support. “When we get ready to drop this thing on Thursday, we’re going to have overwhelming support,” Walker says. “It isn’t just going to be a Republican thing.”

He also wants to make one thing clear. He is not suggesting schools pay players. He is merely proposing a removal of the barriers that keep others from paying players.
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So pretty much unlimited money from boosters?
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(03-11-2019 04:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  This would be a big (and good) change, if it ever becomes law.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2019...mpic-model
Quote:Rep. Mark Walker (R., N.C.) will introduce a bill Thursday—likely through the Ways and Means committee—that would amend the definition of a qualified amateur sports organization in the U.S. tax code. In the new definition, a body seeking to be defined as a qualified amateur sports organization would be banned from “prohibiting or substantially restricting the use of an athlete’s name, image and likeness.”

In other words, if the NCAA wanted to remain tax-exempt, the schools that run it couldn’t keep a rule on the books banning athletes from making money off their names. If an athlete wants to sign autographs for cash, fine. If a company wants to hire that athlete to pitch its products, swell. Walker has been examining this issue for the past 18 months, and he sees it as a free-market issue and a basic rights issue. “It’s a travesty and an injustice that the one segment of our society that can’t access the free market like every other person in America is the student athlete,” Walker says. He’d like to see athletes treated like college students who excel at any other discipline. “If a kid is at a school on a music scholarship, you can go get gigs,” he says. “You can play in an orchestra, whatever you want to do without it having any kind of impact. And you’re doing it based on your talent, image and likeness.”
Quote:The NCAA should worry, because Walker isn’t alone. He says he has met with House Democrats such as Bobby Scott (Virginia), Cedric Richmond (Louisiana) and Hakeem Jeffries (New York) about this bill, and Walker expects bipartisan support. “When we get ready to drop this thing on Thursday, we’re going to have overwhelming support,” Walker says. “It isn’t just going to be a Republican thing.”

He also wants to make one thing clear. He is not suggesting schools pay players. He is merely proposing a removal of the barriers that keep others from paying players.

Unlike the Alston case---this one is more of a game changer.
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(03-11-2019 05:14 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  So pretty much unlimited money from boosters?

Especially for "star" players even if they don't project to the NFL as a lock. I think the hard pill to swallow as it relates to team unity is you could have some "stars" making big money, and Tackles, Ends, Safeties getting nothing.
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Frankly, it's more than a little absurd that players don't have ownership over their likeness.

If it literally takes an act of Congress for the NCAA to do something reasonable then so be it.
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If anything, Congress should be fighting for a true playoff.
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New bill in congress would allow NCAA athletes to make $ from their name and image
Congress needs to stay the hell out of this.


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(03-11-2019 06:30 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Congress needs to stay the hell out of this.


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Let the players have jobs. Easiest solution to the problem. If the boosters go rogue and pay them big bucks for nothing, then that's their problem.
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(03-11-2019 05:45 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Frankly, it's more than a little absurd that players don't have ownership over their likeness.

If it literally takes an act of Congress for the NCAA to do something reasonable then so be it.

Don't they? They just can't capitalize on them whiles they compete, right?
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“If a kid is at a school on a music scholarship, you can go get gigs”

But that person is not an amateur, by definition. Why are we trying to redefine amateur athletics? You want to be on a Wheaties Box then go pro.
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(03-11-2019 06:50 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  “If a kid is at a school on a music scholarship, you can go get gigs”

But that person is not an amateur, by definition. Why are we trying to redefine amateur athletics? You want to be on a Wheaties Box then go pro.

They're still amateur athletes; they're still not getting paid to play their particular sport by the NCAA or their school. This prevents the NCAA and any amateur-sports organization from not allowing an athlete to benefit from their name, image and likeness — all of which are theirs in the first place, not the school's and not the NCAA's.

Let's be honest — the reason some of us are excited about this is that it opens the door for NCAA Football '20.
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(03-11-2019 06:50 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  “If a kid is at a school on a music scholarship, you can go get gigs”

But that person is not an amateur, by definition. Why are we trying to redefine amateur athletics? You want to be on a Wheaties Box then go pro.

Its the olympic model. Unfortunately, this is going to end up being much more like all the Russian ice skaters, hockey players, and swimmers who are "in the Army". The issue is there will be no way to measure if the compensation for name and likeness is in anyway tethered to the real life economic value of said name use in advertising (or video games or whatever). I can see this simply morphing into an easy way to legalize under the table bags of cash. For many of the top kids---recruiting will be about the fan base with the best big donors---coaches and facilities arent going to matter nearly as much for many.
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Hmmm... so congress getting more tax money from income this way.
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(03-11-2019 07:00 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 06:50 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  “If a kid is at a school on a music scholarship, you can go get gigs”

But that person is not an amateur, by definition. Why are we trying to redefine amateur athletics? You want to be on a Wheaties Box then go pro.

They're still amateur athletes; they're still not getting paid to play their particular sport by the NCAA or their school. This prevents the NCAA and any amateur-sports organization from not allowing an athlete to benefit from their name, image and likeness — all of which are theirs in the first place, not the school's and not the NCAA's.

Let's be honest — the reason some of us are excited about this is that it opens the door for NCAA Football '20.

There’s a handful of NCAA athletes whose name, image or likeness are in any kind of demand. You could expand that handful if you include local businesses that would put them on a commercial or name a sandwich after them. There’s a lot more that would be in theposition to receive money to simply sign with a certain school and give no economic benefit to the organizations paying them. You might as well start the SEC Super PAC which will publish your picture in thier annual newsletter and give you 5 figures. Full page article gets you 6 figures. There’s only one thing they’ll be getting paid for, playing sports and that makes them non-amateurs. If you want to promote free market then start making professional sports foot the bill for their own player development instead of perverting what is meant to be actual amateur athletics.
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(03-11-2019 08:24 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 07:00 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 06:50 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  “If a kid is at a school on a music scholarship, you can go get gigs”

But that person is not an amateur, by definition. Why are we trying to redefine amateur athletics? You want to be on a Wheaties Box then go pro.

They're still amateur athletes; they're still not getting paid to play their particular sport by the NCAA or their school. This prevents the NCAA and any amateur-sports organization from not allowing an athlete to benefit from their name, image and likeness — all of which are theirs in the first place, not the school's and not the NCAA's.

Let's be honest — the reason some of us are excited about this is that it opens the door for NCAA Football '20.

There’s a handful of NCAA athletes whose name, image or likeness are in any kind of demand. You could expand that handful if you include local businesses that would put them on a commercial or name a sandwich after them. There’s a lot more that would be in theposition to receive money to simply sign with a certain school and give no economic benefit to the organizations paying them. You might as well start the SEC Super PAC which will publish your picture in thier annual newsletter and give you 5 figures. Full page article gets you 6 figures. There’s only one thing they’ll be getting paid for, playing sports and that makes them non-amateurs. If you want to promote free market then start making professional sports foot the bill for their own player development instead of perverting what is meant to be actual amateur athletics.

That ship sailed about 20-30 years ago.

At this point, I just wanna see the kids that put in the work get some type of financial reward. It's a business, and it's time to adjust accordingly.
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(03-11-2019 04:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  This would be a big (and good) change, if it ever becomes law.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2019...mpic-model
Quote:Rep. Mark Walker (R., N.C.) will introduce a bill Thursday—likely through the Ways and Means committee—that would amend the definition of a qualified amateur sports organization in the U.S. tax code. In the new definition, a body seeking to be defined as a qualified amateur sports organization would be banned from “prohibiting or substantially restricting the use of an athlete’s name, image and likeness.”

In other words, if the NCAA wanted to remain tax-exempt, the schools that run it couldn’t keep a rule on the books banning athletes from making money off their names. If an athlete wants to sign autographs for cash, fine. If a company wants to hire that athlete to pitch its products, swell. Walker has been examining this issue for the past 18 months, and he sees it as a free-market issue and a basic rights issue. “It’s a travesty and an injustice that the one segment of our society that can’t access the free market like every other person in America is the student athlete,” Walker says. He’d like to see athletes treated like college students who excel at any other discipline. “If a kid is at a school on a music scholarship, you can go get gigs,” he says. “You can play in an orchestra, whatever you want to do without it having any kind of impact. And you’re doing it based on your talent, image and likeness.”
Quote:The NCAA should worry, because Walker isn’t alone. He says he has met with House Democrats such as Bobby Scott (Virginia), Cedric Richmond (Louisiana) and Hakeem Jeffries (New York) about this bill, and Walker expects bipartisan support. “When we get ready to drop this thing on Thursday, we’re going to have overwhelming support,” Walker says. “It isn’t just going to be a Republican thing.”

He also wants to make one thing clear. He is not suggesting schools pay players. He is merely proposing a removal of the barriers that keep others from paying players.

However, I’m sure Congress has bigger problems to worry about than this... 05-stirthepot
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(03-11-2019 07:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Its the olympic model. Unfortunately, this is going to end up being much more like all the Russian ice skaters, hockey players, and swimmers who are "in the Army". The issue is there will be no way to measure if the compensation for name and likeness is in anyway tethered to the real life economic value of said name use in advertising (or video games or whatever). I can see this simply morphing into an easy way to legalize under the table bags of cash. For many of the top kids---recruiting will be about the fan base with the best big donors---coaches and facilities arent going to matter nearly as much for many.

(03-11-2019 08:24 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  There’s a handful of NCAA athletes whose name, image or likeness are in any kind of demand. You could expand that handful if you include local businesses that would put them on a commercial or name a sandwich after them. There’s a lot more that would be in theposition to receive money to simply sign with a certain school and give no economic benefit to the organizations paying them. You might as well start the SEC Super PAC which will publish your picture in thier annual newsletter and give you 5 figures. Full page article gets you 6 figures. There’s only one thing they’ll be getting paid for, playing sports and that makes them non-amateurs. If you want to promote free market then start making professional sports foot the bill for their own player development instead of perverting what is meant to be actual amateur athletics.

Guys, players are already being paid under the table. This has been going on a very long time. Why do you think the NCAA has rules against these things in the first place? Because it's been happening for decades. The only real change is that schools/boosters are probably paying more these days than they did 40 or 50 years ago.

Players choose their schools for a variety of reasons, but if you don't think that cash and benefits aren't a part of the current process then I don't think you're paying attention.

What a law like this would do is bring more of it into the light of day. I have no doubt some boosters will use this as a way to funnel some cash to a kid and do it without fear of NCAA punishment. My response to that...who cares? Who is hurt by that?

It's kind of like the folly of prohibition in the 20s. Everybody's doing it and you're not going to stop it so you might as well regulate it.
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(03-11-2019 07:00 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 06:50 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  “If a kid is at a school on a music scholarship, you can go get gigs”

But that person is not an amateur, by definition. Why are we trying to redefine amateur athletics? You want to be on a Wheaties Box then go pro.

They're still amateur athletes; they're still not getting paid to play their particular sport by the NCAA or their school. This prevents the NCAA and any amateur-sports organization from not allowing an athlete to benefit from their name, image and likeness — all of which are theirs in the first place, not the school's and not the NCAA's.

Let's be honest — the reason some of us are excited about this is that it opens the door for NCAA Football '20.

I have no problem admitting that!
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(03-11-2019 08:24 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 07:00 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 06:50 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  “If a kid is at a school on a music scholarship, you can go get gigs”

But that person is not an amateur, by definition. Why are we trying to redefine amateur athletics? You want to be on a Wheaties Box then go pro.

They're still amateur athletes; they're still not getting paid to play their particular sport by the NCAA or their school. This prevents the NCAA and any amateur-sports organization from not allowing an athlete to benefit from their name, image and likeness — all of which are theirs in the first place, not the school's and not the NCAA's.

Let's be honest — the reason some of us are excited about this is that it opens the door for NCAA Football '20.

There’s a handful of NCAA athletes whose name, image or likeness are in any kind of demand. You could expand that handful if you include local businesses that would put them on a commercial or name a sandwich after them. There’s a lot more that would be in theposition to receive money to simply sign with a certain school and give no economic benefit to the organizations paying them. You might as well start the SEC Super PAC which will publish your picture in thier annual newsletter and give you 5 figures. Full page article gets you 6 figures. There’s only one thing they’ll be getting paid for, playing sports and that makes them non-amateurs. If you want to promote free market then start making professional sports foot the bill for their own player development instead of perverting what is meant to be actual amateur athletics.

Why is college football "meant to be actual amateur athletics"? Star college football players have been paid for 150 years. They were being paid long before professional football began. Now basketball players are being paid as well.

We often speak of amateur athletics as some sort of ideal - a pure form of sport. Rubbish. The concept of amateurism is a byproduct of the modern Olympic movement - a movement that was meant to be elitist from its very beginning. By limiting participation to those who could afford to compete without having to worry about making a living, European nobility could entertain themselves without having to rub shoulders with commoners and riff-raff.

Amateurism in college athletics is mandated by our tax code. This bill is an attempt to lessen that mandate without removing it entirely. It's a start.
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