(03-12-2019 04:10 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Following up on Murphy comment I dont see US improving under his system and whatever lukewarm culture he has built here he is a total failure when he comes to coaching up talent

This. We may never have a better recruiter ever again. But it was like giving a 16 year old kid, with a brand new license, the keys to a Ferrari. He had no clue what to do with it. He’s honestly a perfect assistant coach, who can focus on recruiting and being out of the spotlight.

My only fear is hiring another Ramsey, who’s best season was about the same, record-wise, as the one we are all ready to fire Murphy for. But it’s so obvious that a change is necessary, and I’m willing to take that risk. It’s just completely evident that he’s peaked as a coach, and even with as good of a recruiter as he is, I can’t imagine we will ever have someone as talented as JT or Minnie ever again. Let’s find a coach that can get the most out of the least.

I like Murphy, I think he's been a good coach in the general sense since he's been here. That being said - he's gotta go.

(03-12-2019 06:42 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  My only fear is hiring another Ramsey, who’s best season was about the same, record-wise, as the one we are all ready to fire Murphy for. But it’s so obvious that a change is necessary, and I’m willing to take that risk. It’s just completely evident that he’s peaked as a coach, and even with as good of a recruiter as he is, I can’t imagine we will ever have someone as talented as JT or Minnie ever again. Let’s find a coach that can get the most out of the least.

It's natural to have that hesitation. I bet a lot of us do to some degree. But as you said, it's evident we can't keep this up any longer. It is unacceptable as a program to say "We would rather spin our wheels in middling position than risk it to improve ourselves."

One good hire can go a loooong way. Just look at football under Creighton.

(03-12-2019 08:13 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  

(03-12-2019 06:42 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  My only fear is hiring another Ramsey, who’s best season was about the same, record-wise, as the one we are all ready to fire Murphy for. But it’s so obvious that a change is necessary, and I’m willing to take that risk. It’s just completely evident that he’s peaked as a coach, and even with as good of a recruiter as he is, I can’t imagine we will ever have someone as talented as JT or Minnie ever again. Let’s find a coach that can get the most out of the least.

It's natural to have that hesitation. I bet a lot of us do to some degree. But as you said, it's evident we can't keep this up any longer. It is unacceptable as a program to say "We would rather spin our wheels in middling position than risk it to improve ourselves."

One good hire can go a loooong way. Just look at football under Creighton.

Exactly. With any new hire you will typically have a 'not so pretty' transition period either way. You will struggle through one or two years of rebuild, and then hopefully you start to see the fruits of the labor afterwards.

What kind of scares me, is that I would like to go back to a coach that does not rely so heavily on the JUCO scene, but rather a traditional 4 year out of high school type kid.... the problem is that over Murphy's tenure, he has not seemed to make connections within the state to pull some players from the area (outside of a few here and there)..... Will the next coach struggle to gain back the trust of local HS coaches? My answer would probably be yes..

(03-12-2019 08:46 AM)easterneagles79 Wrote:  

(03-12-2019 08:13 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  

(03-12-2019 06:42 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  My only fear is hiring another Ramsey, who’s best season was about the same, record-wise, as the one we are all ready to fire Murphy for. But it’s so obvious that a change is necessary, and I’m willing to take that risk. It’s just completely evident that he’s peaked as a coach, and even with as good of a recruiter as he is, I can’t imagine we will ever have someone as talented as JT or Minnie ever again. Let’s find a coach that can get the most out of the least.

It's natural to have that hesitation. I bet a lot of us do to some degree. But as you said, it's evident we can't keep this up any longer. It is unacceptable as a program to say "We would rather spin our wheels in middling position than risk it to improve ourselves."

One good hire can go a loooong way. Just look at football under Creighton.

Exactly. With any new hire you will typically have a 'not so pretty' transition period either way. You will struggle through one or two years of rebuild, and then hopefully you start to see the fruits of the labor afterwards.

What kind of scares me, is that I would like to go back to a coach that does not rely so heavily on the JUCO scene, but rather a traditional 4 year out of high school type kid.... the problem is that over Murphy's tenure, he has not seemed to make connections within the state to pull some players from the area (outside of a few here and there)..... Will the next coach struggle to gain back the trust of local HS coaches? My answer would probably be yes..

Look at the most recent coaching candidates thread Some have experience recruiting Michigan

(03-11-2019 09:05 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 08:13 PM)Block_E Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 08:03 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Murphy is gone I think the Regents will find the $

I can’t wait for the civil conversations and free press articles that follow about holding off the softball team and then digging deep for a coach buyout.

I think he has to stay another year for economic reasons if nothing else. We do not have the money plain and simple nor could we defend the decision publicly.

Murphy does one thing quite well and that is recruit. Why not let him load the cupboard in his last year? As long as Wetherbee controls the amount of Central States and Sienna Heights teams we play, Murphy will have to earn his 20 win extension.

Interestingly Stevens, Peterson and Jones were nowhere to be found this evening. Often you see some players in warmup gear and not in uniform but these guys were in absentia. Perhaps Murphy is cleaning house early.

Peterson is a Walk on. Stephens and Jones have some potential wait and see

4/17 to 5/15 are the. late signing dates for hoops

I would

(03-12-2019 08:46 AM)easterneagles79 Wrote:  

(03-12-2019 08:13 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  

(03-12-2019 06:42 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  My only fear is hiring another Ramsey, who’s best season was about the same, record-wise, as the one we are all ready to fire Murphy for. But it’s so obvious that a change is necessary, and I’m willing to take that risk. It’s just completely evident that he’s peaked as a coach, and even with as good of a recruiter as he is, I can’t imagine we will ever have someone as talented as JT or Minnie ever again. Let’s find a coach that can get the most out of the least.

It's natural to have that hesitation. I bet a lot of us do to some degree. But as you said, it's evident we can't keep this up any longer. It is unacceptable as a program to say "We would rather spin our wheels in middling position than risk it to improve ourselves."

One good hire can go a loooong way. Just look at football under Creighton.

Exactly. With any new hire you will typically have a 'not so pretty' transition period either way. You will struggle through one or two years of rebuild, and then hopefully you start to see the fruits of the labor afterwards.

What kind of scares me, is that I would like to go back to a coach that does not rely so heavily on the JUCO scene, but rather a traditional 4 year out of high school type kid.... the problem is that over Murphy's tenure, he has not seemed to make connections within the state to pull some players from the area (outside of a few here and there)..... Will the next coach struggle to gain back the trust of local HS coaches? My answer would probably be yes..

I would agree but Rob is better off recruiting JUCO guys. In his tenure, the two highest profile players have been James Thompson and Ray Lee. Both had great freshman seasons and their final seasons were not significantly better, neither developed much under Murphy. It is what it is. I'm sure we will have an incredible amount of JUCO guys next year due to someone fighting for their survival.

Murphy can coach next year and due to the reliance on upperclassmen, perhaps we can hire a coach willing to engage the student body and nearby coaches to build the program without the encumbrances of a bad four year recruiting class.

(03-12-2019 07:07 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  I like Murphy, I think he's been a good coach in the general sense since he's been here. That being said - he's gotta go.

Well said. You captured my sentiment but in such a brilliantly concise way.