(03-08-2019 06:42 PM)canewton Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 06:17 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 05:51 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 11:56 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  I have no doubt that if the B1G were to collapse tomorrow that tOSU & MI would still play the game every year

The Big Ten analogy to UT-TAMU isn't the Big Ten collapsing. It's Michigan State leaving the Big Ten for the SEC, and then Michigan State not playing Michigan in football after that. Michigan State fans would say, "We're in a better place now, who needs Michigan" and Michigan fans would say, "Our real rival is Ohio State, nobody cares about Michigan State".

Exactly.

Texas biggest rival is Oklahoma not Texas A&M.

Both Texas and Texas A&M mention beating the other school in their fight song. Don't get more of a rivalry than that.

Tell that to the Texas fans. Most don’t consider A&M their biggest rival and that was when both were in the Big XII. Oklahoma is their main rival. Period.

(03-09-2019 01:08 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 06:42 PM)canewton Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 06:17 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 05:51 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-08-2019 11:56 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  I have no doubt that if the B1G were to collapse tomorrow that tOSU & MI would still play the game every year

The Big Ten analogy to UT-TAMU isn't the Big Ten collapsing. It's Michigan State leaving the Big Ten for the SEC, and then Michigan State not playing Michigan in football after that. Michigan State fans would say, "We're in a better place now, who needs Michigan" and Michigan fans would say, "Our real rival is Ohio State, nobody cares about Michigan State".

Exactly.

Texas biggest rival is Oklahoma not Texas A&M.

Both Texas and Texas A&M mention beating the other school in their fight song. Don't get more of a rivalry than that.

Tell that to the Texas fans. Most don’t consider A&M their biggest rival and that was when both were in the Big XII. Oklahoma is their main rival. Period.

Most UT fans I know think otherwise. That said they are probably older fans. I think the feeling that Oklahoma is a bigger rival probably is rooted in the Aggies being fairly weak during much of the last decade they were in the Big12. Oklahoma was a bigger threat to Texas capturing the conference championship.

They scream for all to hear that we are unworthy of being their rival while their admin comes to us with hat in hand, saying they want this game back.

But let’s cut the crap

UT needs a marquee rivalry game that will be played at DKR at the end of the season to sell tickets to.

If Oklahoma or one of the little brothers was enough to do this they wouldn’t commit the high heresy of publicly admitting they were wrong and that they need the game back

Fortunately we are not in this situation

(03-09-2019 02:04 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  They scream for all to hear that we are unworthy of being their rival while their admin comes to us with hat in hand, saying they want this game back.

But let’s cut the crap

UT needs a marquee rivalry game that will be played at DKR at the end of the season to sell tickets to.

If Oklahoma or one of the little brothers was enough to do this they wouldn’t commit the high heresy of publicly admitting they were wrong and that they need the game back

Fortunately we are not in this situation

lol...UT had 102K at their last home game (vs Iowa St). Aggie had 101K at their last game of the season. Seems both are doing just fine filling seats. I think it would be great and more traditional as the last game of the season--but given the realities of conference scheduling---such a matchup might simply have to be an early season OOC game to be manageable.

(03-09-2019 02:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 02:04 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  They scream for all to hear that we are unworthy of being their rival while their admin comes to us with hat in hand, saying they want this game back.

But let’s cut the crap

UT needs a marquee rivalry game that will be played at DKR at the end of the season to sell tickets to.

If Oklahoma or one of the little brothers was enough to do this they wouldn’t commit the high heresy of publicly admitting they were wrong and that they need the game back

Fortunately we are not in this situation

lol...UT had 102K at their last home game (vs Iowa St). Aggie had 101K at their last game of the season. Seems both are doing just fine filling seats. I think it would be great and more traditional as the last game of the season--but given the realities of conference scheduling---such a matchup might simply have to be an early season OOC game to be manageable.

If this is true then why come to us asking for the game back?

(03-09-2019 02:50 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 02:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 02:04 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  They scream for all to hear that we are unworthy of being their rival while their admin comes to us with hat in hand, saying they want this game back.

But let’s cut the crap

UT needs a marquee rivalry game that will be played at DKR at the end of the season to sell tickets to.

If Oklahoma or one of the little brothers was enough to do this they wouldn’t commit the high heresy of publicly admitting they were wrong and that they need the game back

Fortunately we are not in this situation

lol...UT had 102K at their last home game (vs Iowa St). Aggie had 101K at their last game of the season. Seems both are doing just fine filling seats. I think it would be great and more traditional as the last game of the season--but given the realities of conference scheduling---such a matchup might simply have to be an early season OOC game to be manageable.

If this is true then why come to us asking for the game back?

It’s an Aggie legislator sponsoring the bill

(03-09-2019 02:50 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 02:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 02:04 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  They scream for all to hear that we are unworthy of being their rival while their admin comes to us with hat in hand, saying they want this game back.

But let’s cut the crap

UT needs a marquee rivalry game that will be played at DKR at the end of the season to sell tickets to.

If Oklahoma or one of the little brothers was enough to do this they wouldn’t commit the high heresy of publicly admitting they were wrong and that they need the game back

Fortunately we are not in this situation

lol...UT had 102K at their last home game (vs Iowa St). Aggie had 101K at their last game of the season. Seems both are doing just fine filling seats. I think it would be great and more traditional as the last game of the season--but given the realities of conference scheduling---such a matchup might simply have to be an early season OOC game to be manageable.

If this is true then why come to us asking for the game back?

Becasue its a traditional game and A&M is a long time traditional rival. Honestly, most Aggie fans will give me that same propaganda line that they dont care about the game--then a pitcher of beer later they will admit how much they miss that game. Look, I get it. You guys hate each other. Thats why it meant so much to the students and alums at both schools for so many years. In fact, that emotion and fire is exactly why people (like me) who never attended either school would sit down and watch that game every year. I think it will be a great gift to the citizens of Texas if the bill passes and game returns. But---as I said before---I think the biggest beneficiaries of all will be the current and future students of both schools.

(03-09-2019 06:54 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Then why was your admin just recently begging us for the game back?

Aggie fan fiction

(03-09-2019 03:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 02:50 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 02:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 02:04 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  They scream for all to hear that we are unworthy of being their rival while their admin comes to us with hat in hand, saying they want this game back.

But let’s cut the crap

UT needs a marquee rivalry game that will be played at DKR at the end of the season to sell tickets to.

If Oklahoma or one of the little brothers was enough to do this they wouldn’t commit the high heresy of publicly admitting they were wrong and that they need the game back

Fortunately we are not in this situation

lol...UT had 102K at their last home game (vs Iowa St). Aggie had 101K at their last game of the season. Seems both are doing just fine filling seats. I think it would be great and more traditional as the last game of the season--but given the realities of conference scheduling---such a matchup might simply have to be an early season OOC game to be manageable.

If this is true then why come to us asking for the game back?

Becasue its a traditional game and A&M is a long time traditional rival. Honestly, most Aggie fans will give me that same propaganda line that they dont care about the game--then a pitcher of beer later they will admit how much they miss that game. Look, I get it. You guys hate each other. Thats why it meant so much to the students and alums at both schools for so many years. In fact, that emotion and fire is exactly why people (like me) who never attended either school would sit down and watch that game every year.

You need to quit talking as if you understand snything about it. Maybe in the 40s it was as big as OU, but there was a 35 year stretch where a$m won 3 games in the series. UT grew massively after WWII
but a&m didn’t take off until the 70s a few years after they admitted women

Texas and OU get a huge part of their donations rom getting a chance to buy tickets for Dallas. You could long get better seats cheaper on the street but couldn’t get OU tickets

With Oklahoma, and presumably Texas A&M, off the table as far as a season ending rivalry for Texas, I believe Houston has the highest ceiling for that spot. Houston has a ton of alumni (and counting) and has proven they are contributing the dough to play at the highest level. When the game is at Houston it could be played in the NFL stadium, or not. This proposal comes with a lot of "they aren't our rivals", "they're a commuter school", "why would we elevate them?" Fair responses for sure, but Texas supposedly supported Houston's entrance to the Big XII, and playing them on Thanksgiving doesn't require the Cougars to be Big XII members. I noticed at College Hoops GameDay last week that the only signs I saw regarding a "rival" were anti-Texas Longhorns. This rivalry reminds me of UK-Louisville where Louisville banged on the door until they couldn't be ignored any longer.

I also believe BYU would be a great season ending bout for the Longhorns. It may not be traditional, but it would be a great match-up between two storied programs that can stand on their own. In other words, there wouldn't be the sort of little brother factor with Houston, or say Texas Tech.

I believe Houston to be the best fit because Texas fans could easily travel when the game is on the road. Of course, TCU and Baylor could also work if the 'horns want to stay in-conference. Baylor being much closer and an easier travel experience seems to be the logical choice. The Big XII would benefit from playing teams out of conference during the final weekend to avoid any possible rematches. Texas-A&M (ideal), but could be Texas-UH/BYU, TCU-SMU, Baylor-Rice, TTU-UTEP/UNM, OU-NU, KU-Mizzou, ISU-Iowa, WVU-Pitt, etc. Logistically it would be tough, but as far as a consistent Rivalry Week, it would be pretty damn cool.

(03-09-2019 03:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  With Oklahoma, and presumably Texas A&M, off the table as far as a season ending rivalry for Texas, I believe Houston has the highest ceiling for that spot. Houston has a ton of alumni (and counting) and has proven they are contributing the dough to play at the highest level. When the game is at Houston it could be played in the NFL stadium, or not. This proposal comes with a lot of "they aren't our rivals", "they're a commuter school", "why would we elevate them?" Fair responses for sure, but Texas supposedly supported Houston's entrance to the Big XII, and playing them on Thanksgiving doesn't require the Cougars to be Big XII members. I noticed at College Hoops GameDay last week that the only signs I saw regarding a "rival" were anti-Texas Longhorns. This rivalry reminds me of UK-Louisville where Louisville banged on the door until they couldn't be ignored any longer.

I also believe BYU would be a great season ending bout for the Longhorns. It may not be traditional, but it would be a great match-up between two storied programs that can stand on their own. In other words, there wouldn't be the sort of little brother factor with Houston, or say Texas Tech.

I believe Houston to be the best fit because Texas fans could easily travel when the game is on the road. Of course, TCU and Baylor could also work if the 'horns want to stay in-conference. Baylor being much closer and an easier travel experience seems to be the logical choice. The Big XII would benefit from playing teams out of conference during the final weekend to avoid any possible rematches. Texas-A&M (ideal), but could be Texas-UH/BYU, TCU-SMU, Baylor-Rice, TTU-UTEP/UNM, OU-NU, KU-Mizzou, ISU-Iowa, WVU-Pitt, etc. Logistically it would be tough, but as far as a consistent Rivalry Week, it would be pretty damn cool.

It would be great--but neither of those teams is going to play us. The Texas vs Aggie game has a very special place in Texas tradition. I really do hope the game returns. I think it would be great for both schools, the whole state, and college football in general. Realignment destroyed several great rivalry games. It would be nice to see one return.

(03-09-2019 03:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 02:50 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 02:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 02:04 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  They scream for all to hear that we are unworthy of being their rival while their admin comes to us with hat in hand, saying they want this game back.

But let’s cut the crap

UT needs a marquee rivalry game that will be played at DKR at the end of the season to sell tickets to.

If Oklahoma or one of the little brothers was enough to do this they wouldn’t commit the high heresy of publicly admitting they were wrong and that they need the game back

Fortunately we are not in this situation

lol...UT had 102K at their last home game (vs Iowa St). Aggie had 101K at their last game of the season. Seems both are doing just fine filling seats. I think it would be great and more traditional as the last game of the season--but given the realities of conference scheduling---such a matchup might simply have to be an early season OOC game to be manageable.

If this is true then why come to us asking for the game back?

It’s an Aggie legislator sponsoring the bill

Ouch, that will leave a mark.

If the issue is merely a season-ending Thanksgiving game for UT, they had one going for several years after A&M left the Big 12. Tech and TCU alternated as the opponent for UT in Austin on Thanksgiving night. It wasn't nearly the same as UT-A&M, but it was a Thanksgiving game against an in-state team. I'm not sure what happened recently, as the Big 12 scheduled UT at Kansas the day after Thanksgiving this past season.

The big issue here is terms of a restart of the rivalry. Neither side wants to be seen as "losing face" by being perceived as submitting to terms set by the other school, or by being seen as "needed" by the other school. Whether or not they are each other's biggest athletic rival (OU is UT's biggest football rival), they are most definitely each other's institutional rival. Longhorns and Aggies work alongside each other (and compete with each other) inside and outside of the power structures of this state. They work together, live together, and marry into each other's families. Neither side can afford to be seen as giving in to the other, especially after A&M's exit to and identity with the SEC.

I've always thought it would take a big bowl game to bring the two teams back together. There have been opportunities in lower-level Big 12-SEC bowl games, but no agreements. It would take either a CFP matchup or the SEC-Big 12 matchup in the Sugar Bowl to make it happen. Neither school is at the consistent national top-10 level necessary to make it happen at this point. They're closer, but they're not there yet.

(03-09-2019 03:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-09-2019 06:54 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Then why was your admin just recently begging us for the game back?

Aggie fan fiction

Oh but it’s not

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...l-proposal

Quote:The University of Texas recently extended an invitation to Texas A&M to resume their instate football rivalry and play a home-and-home in 2022-23, the Houston Chronicle has reported.

The Aggies, according to the Chronicle, declined.

And that was your AD

Your head coach and your president have also said on record they want the series back

Your student body voted yes to bringing the series back

But hey, I’m sure it’s all coincidence

There is a difference between a 2 year series and a perment restart. Would be very surprised if the two do not announce a 2 game series sometime (it will be too big a deal not to eventually). Will also be surprised if more than 4 games in a row. Kind of like Penn State-Pitt, it will happen sometimes if works on both teams schedules, but not every year.

Edit: That said, need someone on both ends willing to do it. UT was not right afterward, A&M might not now. Sooner or later we'll get a series though and then a new normal will start.

(03-09-2019 06:02 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  There is a difference between a 2 year series and a perment restart. Would be very surprised if the two do not announce a 2 game series sometime (it will be too big a deal not to eventually). Will also be surprised if more than 4 games in a row. Kind of like Penn State-Pitt, it will happen sometimes if works on both teinschedules, but not every year.

Edit: That said, need someone on both ends willing to do it. UT was not right afterward, A&M might not now. Sooner or later we'll get a series though and then a new normal will start.

Their president and coach have both called for full restarts, and their student body voted for it to return full time, so this was just the olive branch.

What it does do is disproves the whole “you’re not a rival and the game means nothing to us” rhetoric coming from folks like Bullet

Me? I don’t want the game back for other reasons but I’m not going to sit here and BS this board by going on about how it shouldn’t come back because it means nothing to us and our fan base.

(03-09-2019 03:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  With Oklahoma, and presumably Texas A&M, off the table as far as a season ending rivalry for Texas, I believe Houston has the highest ceiling for that spot. Houston has a ton of alumni (and counting) and has proven they are contributing the dough to play at the highest level. When the game is at Houston it could be played in the NFL stadium, or not. This proposal comes with a lot of "they aren't our rivals", "they're a commuter school", "why would we elevate them?" Fair responses for sure, but Texas supposedly supported Houston's entrance to the Big XII, and playing them on Thanksgiving doesn't require the Cougars to be Big XII members. I noticed at College Hoops GameDay last week that the only signs I saw regarding a "rival" were anti-Texas Longhorns. This rivalry reminds me of UK-Louisville where Louisville banged on the door until they couldn't be ignored any longer.

I also believe BYU would be a great season ending bout for the Longhorns. It may not be traditional, but it would be a great match-up between two storied programs that can stand on their own. In other words, there wouldn't be the sort of little brother factor with Houston, or say Texas Tech.

I believe Houston to be the best fit because Texas fans could easily travel when the game is on the road. Of course, TCU and Baylor could also work if the 'horns want to stay in-conference. Baylor being much closer and an easier travel experience seems to be the logical choice. The Big XII would benefit from playing teams out of conference during the final weekend to avoid any possible rematches. Texas-A&M (ideal), but could be Texas-UH/BYU, TCU-SMU, Baylor-Rice, TTU-UTEP/UNM, OU-NU, KU-Mizzou, ISU-Iowa, WVU-Pitt, etc. Logistically it would be tough, but as far as a consistent Rivalry Week, it would be pretty damn cool.

Texas has an intense hate of Houston after bleacher gate. They already tried a rotating thanksgiving day after game with TCU and Tech that was only okay. Baylor isn’t interested in being a rebound A&M and are more happy playing TCU in that slot with Texas being the last game of the season.

There is no replacing TAMU for the Big 12 South teams, but there is certainly moving on. Kansas and KState became much more important to each other after Missouri left, same is true for the Texas Big 12 schools.

(03-09-2019 03:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  With Oklahoma, and presumably Texas A&M, off the table as far as a season ending rivalry for Texas, I believe Houston has the highest ceiling for that spot. Houston has a ton of alumni (and counting) and has proven they are contributing the dough to play at the highest level. When the game is at Houston it could be played in the NFL stadium, or not. This proposal comes with a lot of "they aren't our rivals", "they're a commuter school", "why would we elevate them?" Fair responses for sure, but Texas supposedly supported Houston's entrance to the Big XII, and playing them on Thanksgiving doesn't require the Cougars to be Big XII members. I noticed at College Hoops GameDay last week that the only signs I saw regarding a "rival" were anti-Texas Longhorns. This rivalry reminds me of UK-Louisville where Louisville banged on the door until they couldn't be ignored any longer.

I also believe BYU would be a great season ending bout for the Longhorns. It may not be traditional, but it would be a great match-up between two storied programs that can stand on their own. In other words, there wouldn't be the sort of little brother factor with Houston, or say Texas Tech.

I believe Houston to be the best fit because Texas fans could easily travel when the game is on the road. Of course, TCU and Baylor could also work if the 'horns want to stay in-conference. Baylor being much closer and an easier travel experience seems to be the logical choice. The Big XII would benefit from playing teams out of conference during the final weekend to avoid any possible rematches. Texas-A&M (ideal), but could be Texas-UH/BYU, TCU-SMU, Baylor-Rice, TTU-UTEP/UNM, OU-NU, KU-Mizzou, ISU-Iowa, WVU-Pitt, etc. Logistically it would be tough, but as far as a consistent Rivalry Week, it would be pretty damn cool.

Texas and Texas A&M need to renew their rivalry. College football in Texas hasn't been the same since they stopped playing on Thanksgiving. I think Oklahoma and Nebraska need to renew their game too. Houston could use a regional rival also. Maybe they could schedule the Houston/SMU for Thanksgiving every season.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20190119/...ll-rivalry

Quote:“It’s a storied rivalry of a hundred years or so,” Fenves said. “We’re supportive” of renewing it.

Young said, “Absolutely. We have been from Day One,” since A&M joined the Southeastern Conference.

I'm drunk so I could be wrong. I'll let the folks who attended/graduated from those schools decide if they want to play again. I don't think anyone cares about the opinion of a person who bought a t-shirt at Wal-Mart.