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(05-11-2019 12:16 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Pretty good take Gary and it may not be a case who starts, but who finishes with this team at least early. There's already a ton of options to deal with which is fun to think about. We just don't know until they tee off. Tolefree may even start day 1, we don't know at this point. There's a lot of talent and athleticism 1-4. I'm excited about the new PG Phillips. He's good too.

There’s a lot to be excited about with this 2019 class... I’m also expecting a lot from Gadsden next season. He needs to be the alpha scorer who plays alongside Toews. We all know he can shoot/defend, but he can take it to the rack too. He was impressive last season and basically played hurt the last 2 months. I could see him averaging around 15 ppg.
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Ty G is a very overall good player-love the guy-defends, hit's 3's and scores. To get to the next level, I need to see him create a shot for himself off the dribble to be the best that he can be. And, that will require a jumper after creating space. Ty is the best in the business at hitting 3's and he can drive the ball to contact, but can he create space and knock down a J? This is what he needs to work on because it appeared to me that he wasn't rising then releasing but just releasing and then jumping on his 3 balls. He can do this and MUST do this to be the best that he can be. In most cases...you have to have a "jumper" whether you're off the dribble or catch and shoot. And the crazy thing is...IT"S FREAKING EASIER because you can time it better! That's my only issue with Ty. It would be great if he can work on this and have a staple elbow J off a hard drive show and pull back to get an easy deuce and that requires elevation/then release unless you're going for a floater. Maybe I'm just crazy...heck, the guy kills himself on the defensive end too so I hate to see such a great talent not get to his top level. I'm sure that he's working on this or should be! Love that kid's heart!!
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Alot to be excited in terms of talent. But, and it's a HUGE BUT, can he develop them and get them to play D? If not it doesn't matter who be brings in quite frankly.
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(05-10-2019 04:57 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 02:10 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 12:07 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 12:01 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 11:47 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  Cylla was a flop for most of us... While I wish him well at Arkansas, he won't be missed. Sims will replace him in the starting lineup and will take a big step in his sophomore season. He started to show his true potential near the end of the season. 4 of our 5 starters were on the roster last season, the need to completely overhaul the roster like you're talking about isn't necessary. He just needs to start winning games with the talent he has...

You and apparently McGrath are a lot more confidence than I would be. Cacock is as massive a loss in what he gave you as any team will ever have to replace just to seemingly tread water where you were last year. You might need 2 or 3 players just to make up the singular value he was giving you.

I wouldn't feel to confident in bench players from last year or some high school freshman to replace all that in the aggregate. Just seems like he would want to get some more established immediate help after his first two years if his job was on the line.

I'm not gonna sit here and debate you on how Cacok can be replaced... because he can't be. No matter how you angle it, it's a stupid debate because he just can't be... However, there is hope with Toews, Gadsden, Estime, and Sims returning. If you watched UNCW basketball last year, you would understand that. With the CAA wide open next year, UNCW has the talent to compete. I'm not saying CB can get it done, I'm just saying he has the talent to get it done.

Seems like all the more reason he would be going in heavier on JUCO's and Grad transfers.

Disagree. I don’t think you’ll find a D1 coach that is willing to be heavier on JUCOs and Grad transfers than his own recruits. If he finds success, it’s not sustainable in that model because he only has those players definitively for 1-2 years. He’d be left trying to get lucky with transfers every year for a while and that doesn’t make for sound logic if you’re in it for a career.


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Context. It makes a lot of sense for a coach in year 3 that has started as poorly as McGrath.
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(05-11-2019 09:54 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 04:57 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 02:10 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 12:07 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 12:01 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  You and apparently McGrath are a lot more confidence than I would be. Cacock is as massive a loss in what he gave you as any team will ever have to replace just to seemingly tread water where you were last year. You might need 2 or 3 players just to make up the singular value he was giving you.

I wouldn't feel to confident in bench players from last year or some high school freshman to replace all that in the aggregate. Just seems like he would want to get some more established immediate help after his first two years if his job was on the line.

I'm not gonna sit here and debate you on how Cacok can be replaced... because he can't be. No matter how you angle it, it's a stupid debate because he just can't be... However, there is hope with Toews, Gadsden, Estime, and Sims returning. If you watched UNCW basketball last year, you would understand that. With the CAA wide open next year, UNCW has the talent to compete. I'm not saying CB can get it done, I'm just saying he has the talent to get it done.

Seems like all the more reason he would be going in heavier on JUCO's and Grad transfers.

Disagree. I don’t think you’ll find a D1 coach that is willing to be heavier on JUCOs and Grad transfers than his own recruits. If he finds success, it’s not sustainable in that model because he only has those players definitively for 1-2 years. He’d be left trying to get lucky with transfers every year for a while and that doesn’t make for sound logic if you’re in it for a career.


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Context. It makes a lot of sense for a coach in year 3 that has started as poorly as McGrath.

You’re still wrong. You just don’t like the fact you’re wrong. It never, ever makes sense to overload your roster with transfers. The reason I stated above as well as no guarantee they’ll gel together the way guys tend to do when they know they have several years together.

Maybe it makes sense for ecu though. Y’all should try something, maybe anything to get yourself a championship season. Perhaps anything to get out of the conference gutter you’ve been in for how many seasons now?


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(05-11-2019 11:18 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
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(05-10-2019 04:57 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 02:10 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 12:07 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  I'm not gonna sit here and debate you on how Cacok can be replaced... because he can't be. No matter how you angle it, it's a stupid debate because he just can't be... However, there is hope with Toews, Gadsden, Estime, and Sims returning. If you watched UNCW basketball last year, you would understand that. With the CAA wide open next year, UNCW has the talent to compete. I'm not saying CB can get it done, I'm just saying he has the talent to get it done.

Seems like all the more reason he would be going in heavier on JUCO's and Grad transfers.

Disagree. I don’t think you’ll find a D1 coach that is willing to be heavier on JUCOs and Grad transfers than his own recruits. If he finds success, it’s not sustainable in that model because he only has those players definitively for 1-2 years. He’d be left trying to get lucky with transfers every year for a while and that doesn’t make for sound logic if you’re in it for a career.


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Context. It makes a lot of sense for a coach in year 3 that has started as poorly as McGrath.

You’re still wrong. You just don’t like the fact you’re wrong. It never, ever makes sense to overload your roster with transfers. The reason I stated above as well as no guarantee they’ll gel together the way guys tend to do when they know they have several years together.

Maybe it makes sense for ecu though. Y’all should try something, maybe anything to get yourself a championship season. Perhaps anything to get out of the conference gutter you’ve been in for how many seasons now?


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I’m honestly surprised to see an ECU fan so worried about how many JUCO recruits UNCW has on their basketball roster. I thought they were more worried about that Big 12 bid that’s coming their way...
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(05-11-2019 01:41 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 11:18 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 09:54 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 04:57 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 02:10 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Seems like all the more reason he would be going in heavier on JUCO's and Grad transfers.

Disagree. I don’t think you’ll find a D1 coach that is willing to be heavier on JUCOs and Grad transfers than his own recruits. If he finds success, it’s not sustainable in that model because he only has those players definitively for 1-2 years. He’d be left trying to get lucky with transfers every year for a while and that doesn’t make for sound logic if you’re in it for a career.


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Context. It makes a lot of sense for a coach in year 3 that has started as poorly as McGrath.

You’re still wrong. You just don’t like the fact you’re wrong. It never, ever makes sense to overload your roster with transfers. The reason I stated above as well as no guarantee they’ll gel together the way guys tend to do when they know they have several years together.

Maybe it makes sense for ecu though. Y’all should try something, maybe anything to get yourself a championship season. Perhaps anything to get out of the conference gutter you’ve been in for how many seasons now?


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I’m honestly surprised to see an ECU fan so worried about how many JUCO recruits UNCW has on their basketball roster. I thought they were more worried about that Big 12 bid that’s coming their way...

Have you ever met StillJonesin???

In his defense, you can’t really blame him for taking such a high interest in our basketball team considering the product ecu puts on the floor.


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(05-11-2019 11:18 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 09:54 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 04:57 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 02:10 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 12:07 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  I'm not gonna sit here and debate you on how Cacok can be replaced... because he can't be. No matter how you angle it, it's a stupid debate because he just can't be... However, there is hope with Toews, Gadsden, Estime, and Sims returning. If you watched UNCW basketball last year, you would understand that. With the CAA wide open next year, UNCW has the talent to compete. I'm not saying CB can get it done, I'm just saying he has the talent to get it done.

Seems like all the more reason he would be going in heavier on JUCO's and Grad transfers.

Disagree. I don’t think you’ll find a D1 coach that is willing to be heavier on JUCOs and Grad transfers than his own recruits. If he finds success, it’s not sustainable in that model because he only has those players definitively for 1-2 years. He’d be left trying to get lucky with transfers every year for a while and that doesn’t make for sound logic if you’re in it for a career.


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Context. It makes a lot of sense for a coach in year 3 that has started as poorly as McGrath.

You’re still wrong. You just don’t like the fact you’re wrong. It never, ever makes sense to overload your roster with transfers. The reason I stated above as well as no guarantee they’ll gel together the way guys tend to do when they know they have several years together.

Maybe it makes sense for ecu though. Y’all should try something, maybe anything to get yourself a championship season. Perhaps anything to get out of the conference gutter you’ve been in for how many seasons now?


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Have you looked around at college basketball the last decade. It's nothing but a revolving door of transfers everywhere. Like 1200 a year now out of 3000 something roster spots for Fr to Jr's. That's like a 3rd of the roster turning over every year to transfer on average across the nation. Who are these teams that bring in freshman and graduate them all. That's rare and if you don't think that transfers and grad transfers is a legit market you are blind it's essentially free agency and all the big boys are loading up on the best. Hell Kentucky and UNC just grabbed multiple ones, Texas Tech just road it to a national final.

At least with JUCO's there is far less of a chance they transfer on you since schools don't want to tie up a scholarship for a year to only get one year. You get the best years they have, not the usual predictable crappy first couple where you are developing a guy that there is a 30% chance won't even be there by the time they are JR, probably much higher if your team is bad too. I have zero issue with hammering JUCO's or Grad transfers today there are plenty of examples of teams killing it doing it.

All I'm saying is McGrath has done poorly, seems like he would be more aggressive getting some immediate older help in there to turn this year around so he doesn't lose his job. If you want to roll with a bunch of back ups off a bad team last year hoping they get better and some freshman more power to him I guess. He must feel really safe.
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(05-11-2019 01:41 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 11:18 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 09:54 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 04:57 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 02:10 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Seems like all the more reason he would be going in heavier on JUCO's and Grad transfers.

Disagree. I don’t think you’ll find a D1 coach that is willing to be heavier on JUCOs and Grad transfers than his own recruits. If he finds success, it’s not sustainable in that model because he only has those players definitively for 1-2 years. He’d be left trying to get lucky with transfers every year for a while and that doesn’t make for sound logic if you’re in it for a career.


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Context. It makes a lot of sense for a coach in year 3 that has started as poorly as McGrath.

You’re still wrong. You just don’t like the fact you’re wrong. It never, ever makes sense to overload your roster with transfers. The reason I stated above as well as no guarantee they’ll gel together the way guys tend to do when they know they have several years together.

Maybe it makes sense for ecu though. Y’all should try something, maybe anything to get yourself a championship season. Perhaps anything to get out of the conference gutter you’ve been in for how many seasons now?


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I’m honestly surprised to see an ECU fan so worried about how many JUCO recruits UNCW has on their basketball roster. I thought they were more worried about that Big 12 bid that’s coming their way...

I'm perfectly happy with the AAC.
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Toews had a good freshman year as did Sims. They have 3 more years now and have started too so they now know what it's going to take on both ends. These guys are committed to getting better defensively and you could already see some chemistry developing with the 4 freshman and sophomores last year. The ball wasn't sticking nearly as much.

McGrath had a bad first year but he came into a terrible situation late in the recruiting game where the entire team left the year before. A team that went to the NCAA's 2x. Even those teams didn't play good defense, but had such a good offense that it didn't matter. The holdovers were not good defenders so when the offense wasn't there, they lost. Last year was his first attempt with some of his players and they started a freshman PG, soph WG and a freshman WF. That's tough to win with that kind of youth. Still, the team played better with the younger guys and lost several games at the end of the game.

I see your point for getting transfers to achieve a good team. Keatts makes a living doing it. I agree that getting some is good, but continuity is huge for sustained success. These guys are also great young men that seem to get along well which is something that gets overlooked. McGrath is building a program not a roster. As a fan and alum, I'm happy with how he's building the program and understand that it takes time to do it right. When you just get a roster via basically JUCO and Grad Xfer, the balloon can pop in a New York minute the following year if you don't go out and hit the lottery again. A few though can make it all work out okay.
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(05-11-2019 06:42 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Toews had a good freshman year as did Sims. They have 3 more years now and have started too so they now know what it's going to take on both ends. These guys are committed to getting better defensively and you could already see some chemistry developing with the 4 freshman and sophomores last year. The ball wasn't sticking nearly as much.

McGrath had a bad first year but he came into a terrible situation late in the recruiting game where the entire team left the year before. A team that went to the NCAA's 2x. Even those teams didn't play good defense, but had such a good offense that it didn't matter. The holdovers were not good defenders so when the offense wasn't there, they lost. Last year was his first attempt with some of his players and they started a freshman PG, soph WG and a freshman WF. That's tough to win with that kind of youth. Still, the team played better with the younger guys and lost several games at the end of the game.

I see your point for getting transfers to achieve a good team. Keatts makes a living doing it. I agree that getting some is good, but continuity is huge for sustained success. These guys are also great young men that seem to get along well which is something that gets overlooked. McGrath is building a program not a roster. As a fan and alum, I'm happy with how he's building the program and understand that it takes time to do it right. When you just get a roster via basically JUCO and Grad Xfer, the balloon can pop in a New York minute the following year if you don't go out and hit the lottery again. A few though can make it all work out okay.

It's not about building a roster with jucos, but filling holes for guys that left.
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(05-10-2019 04:57 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 02:10 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 12:07 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 12:01 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-10-2019 11:47 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  Cylla was a flop for most of us... While I wish him well at Arkansas, he won't be missed. Sims will replace him in the starting lineup and will take a big step in his sophomore season. He started to show his true potential near the end of the season. 4 of our 5 starters were on the roster last season, the need to completely overhaul the roster like you're talking about isn't necessary. He just needs to start winning games with the talent he has...

You and apparently McGrath are a lot more confidence than I would be. Cacock is as massive a loss in what he gave you as any team will ever have to replace just to seemingly tread water where you were last year. You might need 2 or 3 players just to make up the singular value he was giving you.

I wouldn't feel to confident in bench players from last year or some high school freshman to replace all that in the aggregate. Just seems like he would want to get some more established immediate help after his first two years if his job was on the line.

I'm not gonna sit here and debate you on how Cacok can be replaced... because he can't be. No matter how you angle it, it's a stupid debate because he just can't be... However, there is hope with Toews, Gadsden, Estime, and Sims returning. If you watched UNCW basketball last year, you would understand that. With the CAA wide open next year, UNCW has the talent to compete. I'm not saying CB can get it done, I'm just saying he has the talent to get it done.

Seems like all the more reason he would be going in heavier on JUCO's and Grad transfers.

Disagree. I don’t think you’ll find a D1 coach that is willing to be heavier on JUCOs and Grad transfers than his own recruits. If he finds success, it’s not sustainable in that model because he only has those players definitively for 1-2 years. He’d be left trying to get lucky with transfers every year for a while and that doesn’t make for sound logic if you’re in it for a career.


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Jim Whitesell, who just left Buffalo, desired and built his teams on transfers. As a mid major coach, he loved the ability to take players who could have been high D1 players but for some reason didn't get there. He got a chance to see them perform in a college environment instead of just high school and knew they could perform.

It's actually one of the best ways for a mid major ro compete at a high level and isn't a bad blueprint.
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As for next year. Hope always springs eternal in the offseason.

As usual, i'll have a wait and see attitude. We lost A LOT from last year and right now my biggest concern is size and skill in the post. Cacock had a great motor and was dominant on the boards. But, his offensive arsenal was very limited. I don't think McGrath set up an offense that played to his strengths, so maybe a different set of skills at the 5 will work better for a McGrath offensive system. I don't think we can plan on a center who hasn't committed, so here's my take.

Toews, Gadsden, Estime, Sims, Linssen

Skaggs, Dodd, Tolefree, Phillips off the bench.

Mcgrath never seemed sold out on Estime', so he is the most likely to be fighting for a starting spot. I also think there's a good chance Dodd starts at the 5 by conference play. I really like his athleticism, defense and ability to face the basket and drive. Linssen seems more of a back to the basket 5 on offense and isn't a rim defender. I could also see McGrath start Dodd and Linssen. if he isn't sold on four guard lineup.

The reality is that we are facing another season of unkowns. Can these new faces compete and win in the CAA? Was our horrendous defense because we had really bad defenders or was it a coaching issue? Either way, can we finally defend?

I'm inclined to pick UNCW no higher than 6th. at this point, and that's if we perform better than expected.
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(05-12-2019 08:33 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Was our horrendous defense because we had really bad defenders or was it a coaching issue? Either way, can we finally defend?

^^This is the question^^

And this is the year we find out the answer...
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(05-12-2019 08:33 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Was our horrendous defense because we had really bad defenders or was it a coaching issue? Either way, can we finally defend?

^^This is the question^^

And this is the year we find out the answer...

Unfortunately i think it's the latter. Defense can be taught, but it's the coaches job to teach and get them to buy in.
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(05-12-2019 04:53 PM)70shawk Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 08:33 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Was our horrendous defense because we had really bad defenders or was it a coaching issue? Either way, can we finally defend?

^^This is the question^^

And this is the year we find out the answer...

Unfortunately i think it's the latter. Defense can be taught, but it's the coaches job to teach and get them to buy in.

Not a soul here is surprised by that opinion. Lol



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(05-12-2019 06:06 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 05:10 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 04:53 PM)70shawk Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 08:33 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Was our horrendous defense because we had really bad defenders or was it a coaching issue? Either way, can we finally defend?

^^This is the question^^

And this is the year we find out the answer...

Unfortunately i think it's the latter. Defense can be taught, but it's the coaches job to teach and get them to buy in.

Not a soul here is surprised by that opinion. Lol



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I mean the second part of that statement is fact. And the opinion part i hope i'm wrong!
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RE: Expectations for next year....
(05-12-2019 07:56 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 06:06 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(05-12-2019 05:10 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
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(05-12-2019 08:33 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Was our horrendous defense because we had really bad defenders or was it a coaching issue? Either way, can we finally defend?

^^This is the question^^

And this is the year we find out the answer...

Unfortunately i think it's the latter. Defense can be taught, but it's the coaches job to teach and get them to buy in.

Not a soul here is surprised by that opinion. Lol



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I mean the second part of that statement is fact. And the opinion part i hope i'm wrong!
Good athletes/smart players in volume can cover up both coaching deficiencies and system flaws, meaning a system that doesn't fit player's skills. This roster should not only improve defensively but with the right game plan be able to seamlessly flow in transition, something that rarely happened last season given the obvious talent of Cacock as a sprint/drag screen and lob dunker, Toews as a ball pusher/creator and players who without provocation ran to corners to shoot threes. SYSTEM coaches are a thing of the past.

There is only ONE blueprint for the roster they have 'almost' put together.
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RE: Expectations for next year....
(05-11-2019 06:42 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Toews had a good freshman year as did Sims. They have 3 more years now and have started too so they now know what it's going to take on both ends. These guys are committed to getting better defensively and you could already see some chemistry developing with the 4 freshman and sophomores last year. The ball wasn't sticking nearly as much.

Toews had the worst net ratings on your team and the team gave up more points with him on the court than anyone. He also had a 99.5 offensive rating which is terrible especially for someone supposed to be leading an offense. That's what your team scored per 100 possessions with him on the court. Your team was a negative -19.8 points per 100 possessions he was on the court and was most of your defensive team issues. A 119.2 points per 100 possessions the teams gives up with him on the court is one of the worst you well ever see from a rotation player. Worst I've seen.

Quote: McGrath had a bad first year but he came into a terrible situation late in the recruiting game where the entire team left the year before.

He was hired in early April like about any new coach. When you are left a player like Cacok hard to say he started with nothing.

Quote:Even those teams didn't play good defense, but had such a good offense that it didn't matter. The holdovers were not good defenders so when the offense wasn't there, they lost. Last year was his first attempt with some of his players and they started a freshman PG, soph WG and a freshman WF. That's tough to win with that kind of youth. Still, the team played better with the younger guys and lost several games at the end of the game.

The defense wasn't good but there is a big difference in #217 defensive efficiency and #350 under McGrath, and that #350 last year was worse than his first year and the team numbers say Toews is biggest liability to the defense and overall negative on your team contributing to that. Cacock was the best defender you had or at least who the team gave up the fewest points (by a wide margin) with him on the court as well that defensive impact has to be replaced just to not get worse.
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(05-13-2019 07:46 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-11-2019 06:42 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Toews had a good freshman year as did Sims. They have 3 more years now and have started too so they now know what it's going to take on both ends. These guys are committed to getting better defensively and you could already see some chemistry developing with the 4 freshman and sophomores last year. The ball wasn't sticking nearly as much.

Toews had the worst net ratings on your team and the team gave up more points with him on the court than anyone. He also had a 99.5 offensive rating which is terrible especially for someone supposed to be leading an offense. That's what your team scored per 100 possessions with him on the court. Your team was a negative -19.8 points per 100 possessions he was on the court and was most of your defensive team issues. A 119.2 points per 100 possessions the teams gives up with him on the court is one of the worst you well ever see from a rotation player. Worst I've seen.

Quote: McGrath had a bad first year but he came into a terrible situation late in the recruiting game where the entire team left the year before.

He was hired in early April like about any new coach. When you are left a player like Cacok hard to say he started with nothing.

Quote:Even those teams didn't play good defense, but had such a good offense that it didn't matter. The holdovers were not good defenders so when the offense wasn't there, they lost. Last year was his first attempt with some of his players and they started a freshman PG, soph WG and a freshman WF. That's tough to win with that kind of youth. Still, the team played better with the younger guys and lost several games at the end of the game.

The defense wasn't good but there is a big difference in #217 defensive efficiency and #350 under McGrath, and that #350 last year was worse than his first year and the team numbers say Toews is biggest liability to the defense and overall negative on your team contributing to that. Cacock was the best defender you had or at least who the team gave up the fewest points (by a wide margin) with him on the court as well that defensive impact has to be replaced just to not get worse.

That’s the best you have?

Almost any team in the country right now would be tripping over themselves to have Toews on their roster. He’s a natural, pass first PG who isn’t selfish and gets the best out of his teammates. He’s also a really stand up kid on and off the court.

Our defense as a team was terrible. Toews played more minutes than anyone else (if I recall correctly) which would account for the poor defensive numbers you try to solely put on him. You also failed to mention his assist numbers that were among the best in the country.

Cacok was not our best defender. Not even close. You clearly didn’t watch any of our games and are just flapping your useless gums.

Quit projecting your discontent on our team and worry about the shite show in Greenville.


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