Any notes on the scrimmage? Word is defense totally dominated and the offense looks similar to 2018 unit. “First half of scrimmage defense had more receptions that offense” short on receivers.

(03-24-2019 08:35 AM)Hank16 Wrote:  Any notes on the scrimmage? Word is defense totally dominated and the offense looks similar to 2018 unit. “First half of scrimmage defense had more receptions that offense” short on receivers.

From Bloomgren’s comments in the videos posted by Nate Griffin, I think you’re right that the D dominated.

In the past, d dominated has been code for o was beyond horrendous.

I hope that's not the case anymore.

I mean, our base is essentially smash-mouth offensive football right? I'm confident that we haven't suddenly become a 'power' defense.... but I'd love to be surprised

I suspect the offense will get a lot better once the three graduate transfers arrive (2 more OL and the QB). Although I'd be a little concerned if the RB and WR weren't doing much if they were all healthy (it sounds like some are hurt though).

(03-24-2019 12:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  In the past, d dominated has been code for o was beyond horrendous.
I hope that's not the case anymore.
I mean, our base is essentially smash-mouth offensive football right? I'm confident that we haven't suddenly become a 'power' defense.... but I'd love to be surprised

I remember a scrimmage many years ago that the defense totally dominated. It was the end of two-a-days (is it true that they don't even have those any more?). They went for an hour and a half and the score was 7-6 (points, not touchdowns, one TD and PAT to two field goals). The year was 1976. Not a very good predictor of that season, for sure. I'm quite sure that Homer Rice was not happy with it.

(03-24-2019 12:59 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I suspect the offense will get a lot better once the three graduate transfers arrive (2 more OL and the QB). Although I'd be a little concerned if the RB and WR weren't doing much if they were all healthy (it sounds like some are hurt though).

Ahh... the wait for the new players coming in position. I like it, doesn’t seem to ever work but we can hope.

I have no idea where the football program is headed. Maybe it's because I'm not as close to the program any more, but I just have no feel for what is going on. I didn't with Bailiff, either, and I hope this turns out better than that did.

I kind of don't know where the athletic program as a whole is headed. Again, maybe that's just absence. But I don't get this great feeling about much of anything.

Random but former Kenyon College HC Chris Monfiletto has joined the staff as an offensive analyst.

Did not have much success at Kenyon but maybe brings some OH connections to the table.

The good news is aside of Antarius's humorous post... and i sincerely mean that, it was funny....Tyner can't be blamed for catches by the defense or the lack of progress by the offense. Sorry to be negative but waiting on the grad transfers to arrive doesn't say much about our team. Everyone for the exception of a handful of guys are Bloom's. They're all a little older and have legit game time experience so i would like to think the offense could produce a little more in year two with Bloom's hand picked guys. With all due respect if the offense can't move the ball on ourselves then we are in big big trouble offensively. Not a bunch of kids out of HS school going at it this Spring for the First time. These young guns have real experience. If you can hold your breath for year 3 to see some success then it'll probably start to happen by that time.
#ABO lives Go Harvard!!!

(03-26-2019 02:58 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  The good news is aside of Antarius's humorous post... and i sincerely mean that, it was funny....Tyner can't be blamed for catches by the defense or the lack of progress by the offense. Sorry to be negative but waiting on the grad transfers to arrive doesn't say much about our team. Everyone for the exception of a handful of guys are Bloom's. They're all a little older and have legit game time experience so i would like to think the offense could produce a little more in year two with Bloom's hand picked guys. With all due respect if the offense can't move the ball on ourselves then we are in big big trouble offensively. Not a bunch of kids out of HS school going at it this Spring for the First time. These young guns have real experience. If you can hold your breath for year 3 to see some success then it'll probably start to happen by that time.
#ABO lives Go Harvard!!!

I’m pretty sure we don’t have any receivers playing right now that will see the field in the fall besides the TEs. That’s how the injury report read...

We also have 2 of our presumed starting Olinemen missing until summer. I’d say that makes a big difference.

(03-26-2019 03:57 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(03-26-2019 02:58 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  The good news is aside of Antarius's humorous post... and i sincerely mean that, it was funny....Tyner can't be blamed for catches by the defense or the lack of progress by the offense. Sorry to be negative but waiting on the grad transfers to arrive doesn't say much about our team. Everyone for the exception of a handful of guys are Bloom's. They're all a little older and have legit game time experience so i would like to think the offense could produce a little more in year two with Bloom's hand picked guys. With all due respect if the offense can't move the ball on ourselves then we are in big big trouble offensively. Not a bunch of kids out of HS school going at it this Spring for the First time. These young guns have real experience. If you can hold your breath for year 3 to see some success then it'll probably start to happen by that time.
#ABO lives Go Harvard!!!

I’m pretty sure we don’t have any receivers playing right now that will see the field in the fall besides the TEs. That’s how the injury report read...

We also have 2 of our presumed starting Olinemen missing until summer. I’d say that makes a big difference.

Cephus is playing but yes, Pitre and Trammel are out right now.

(03-26-2019 02:58 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  The good news is aside of Antarius's humorous post... and i sincerely mean that, it was funny....Tyner can't be blamed for catches by the defense or the lack of progress by the offense. Sorry to be negative but waiting on the grad transfers to arrive doesn't say much about our team. Everyone for the exception of a handful of guys are Bloom's. They're all a little older and have legit game time experience so i would like to think the offense could produce a little more in year two with Bloom's hand picked guys. With all due respect if the offense can't move the ball on ourselves then we are in big big trouble offensively. Not a bunch of kids out of HS school going at it this Spring for the First time. These young guns have real experience. If you can hold your breath for year 3 to see some success then it'll probably start to happen by that time.
#ABO lives Go Harvard!!!

#ABOLivesMatter

Make sure I understand this correctly. Our non starter receivers are throwing interceptions??? Totally confused now. Are those guys playing QB or WR?

Austin Trammel is hurt but will be back

Brendan Harmon, hurt now but he was participating in Spring ball....I will add at a very low level. He doesn't want to be at Rice.

Juco WR is in Spring ball, looks good.

Glaesmann hurt, again!

Cephus is good, starter

Cardwell is good, starter

There has been some INTs by the QBs but not to the level as the last two years.

Not endorsing the 'tone' of any poster because I haven't read the entire thread, but selecting some quotes that concern me

(03-26-2019 02:58 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  if the offense can't move the ball on ourselves then we are in big big trouble offensively.

This.
Defense has NEVER been particularly strong and while I take no issue with anyone saying we will be better (or not)...

But as I understand it, we're a pretty 'base' offense relying on execution and discipline. While we can argue that these are young players just learning the offense, of course so too would anyone who will only be joining us this summer.... and since they're transfers, by the time they really get good at it, they'll be leaving... I mean, we're saying that guys who hae worked in this system for a season now won't be as good as guys who have NEVER worked in the system??

This is something I'm always concerned about given that coaches, whether successful or not... are going to routinely be a 3-5 year stint with us. I think part of the problem with what happened before is that we tried to FORCE continuity when we really should have let things move on.

Unless someone uses tools that are especially available at Rice and few other places, or unless we pay a whole lot more (which is a structural as much as a financial issue)... then we already need to be thinking about what we do when Bloom either does very well and gets offers to move on, or doesn't and we want him to move on. These assistant head coach positions I'm hoping are 'that'.... though we need to be conscious of the fact that (using an obvious example) if Stanford wanted to hire Bloom back, that he could easily take his right hand man with him by offering likely as much or more than we'd offer him as a head coach.

That's the only way we're going to get GOOD continuity

(03-26-2019 03:57 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  I’m pretty sure we don’t have any receivers playing right now that will see the field in the fall besides the TEs. That’s how the injury report read...

We also have 2 of our presumed starting Olinemen missing until summer. I’d say that makes a big difference.

But the defense is set? Honest question.

(03-27-2019 08:25 AM)Hank16 Wrote:  There has been some INTs by the QBs but not to the level as the last two years.

Are we throwing as much? Are the DBs as good?

I just don't think 'how we do against ourselves' is much of a measure


And remember that 'coaching' is as much about setting up plays and series and situational offense which of course can't really be practiced against yourself.

(03-29-2019 10:53 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Not endorsing the 'tone' of any poster because I haven't read the entire thread, but selecting some quotes that concern me

(03-26-2019 02:58 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  if the offense can't move the ball on ourselves then we are in big big trouble offensively.

This.
Defense has NEVER been particularly strong and while I take no issue with anyone saying we will be better (or not)...

But as I understand it, we're a pretty 'base' offense relying on execution and discipline. While we can argue that these are young players just learning the offense, of course so too would anyone who will only be joining us this summer.... and since they're transfers, by the time they really get good at it, they'll be leaving... I mean, we're saying that guys who hae worked in this system for a season now won't be as good as guys who have NEVER worked in the system??

This is something I'm always concerned about given that coaches, whether successful or not... are going to routinely be a 3-5 year stint with us. I think part of the problem with what happened before is that we tried to FORCE continuity when we really should have let things move on.

Unless someone uses tools that are especially available at Rice and few other places, or unless we pay a whole lot more (which is a structural as much as a financial issue)... then we already need to be thinking about what we do when Bloom either does very well and gets offers to move on, or doesn't and we want him to move on. These assistant head coach positions I'm hoping are 'that'.... though we need to be conscious of the fact that (using an obvious example) if Stanford wanted to hire Bloom back, that he could easily take his right hand man with him by offering likely as much or more than we'd offer him as a head coach.

That's the only way we're going to get GOOD continuity

(03-26-2019 03:57 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  I’m pretty sure we don’t have any receivers playing right now that will see the field in the fall besides the TEs. That’s how the injury report read...

We also have 2 of our presumed starting Olinemen missing until summer. I’d say that makes a big difference.

But the defense is set? Honest question.

(03-27-2019 08:25 AM)Hank16 Wrote:  There has been some INTs by the QBs but not to the level as the last two years.

Are we throwing as much? Are the DBs as good?

I just don't think 'how we do against ourselves' is much of a measure


And remember that 'coaching' is as much about setting up plays and series and situational offense which of course can't really be practiced against yourself.

Please don’t sweat my post on the QBs, that was in response to blaming a past QB on the inability of our offense to move the ball. Our QB situation is much improved over last year.

(03-29-2019 12:49 PM)Hank16 Wrote:  

(03-29-2019 10:53 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Not endorsing the 'tone' of any poster because I haven't read the entire thread, but selecting some quotes that concern me

(03-26-2019 02:58 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  if the offense can't move the ball on ourselves then we are in big big trouble offensively.

This.
Defense has NEVER been particularly strong and while I take no issue with anyone saying we will be better (or not)...

But as I understand it, we're a pretty 'base' offense relying on execution and discipline. While we can argue that these are young players just learning the offense, of course so too would anyone who will only be joining us this summer.... and since they're transfers, by the time they really get good at it, they'll be leaving... I mean, we're saying that guys who hae worked in this system for a season now won't be as good as guys who have NEVER worked in the system??

This is something I'm always concerned about given that coaches, whether successful or not... are going to routinely be a 3-5 year stint with us. I think part of the problem with what happened before is that we tried to FORCE continuity when we really should have let things move on.

Unless someone uses tools that are especially available at Rice and few other places, or unless we pay a whole lot more (which is a structural as much as a financial issue)... then we already need to be thinking about what we do when Bloom either does very well and gets offers to move on, or doesn't and we want him to move on. These assistant head coach positions I'm hoping are 'that'.... though we need to be conscious of the fact that (using an obvious example) if Stanford wanted to hire Bloom back, that he could easily take his right hand man with him by offering likely as much or more than we'd offer him as a head coach.

That's the only way we're going to get GOOD continuity

(03-26-2019 03:57 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  I’m pretty sure we don’t have any receivers playing right now that will see the field in the fall besides the TEs. That’s how the injury report read...

We also have 2 of our presumed starting Olinemen missing until summer. I’d say that makes a big difference.

But the defense is set? Honest question.

(03-27-2019 08:25 AM)Hank16 Wrote:  There has been some INTs by the QBs but not to the level as the last two years.

Are we throwing as much? Are the DBs as good?

I just don't think 'how we do against ourselves' is much of a measure


And remember that 'coaching' is as much about setting up plays and series and situational offense which of course can't really be practiced against yourself.

Please don’t sweat my post on the QBs, that was in response to blaming a past QB on the inability of our offense to move the ball. Our QB situation is much improved over last year.

Sorry Hank... I got 'short'

It was an honest question if we were really better, or perhaps just not throwing as much... which you answered. the number of INTs as I'm sure you agree, aren't the only indicator.

As to my 'coaching' comment... it's related to the idea that when you run a relatively base offense and cant currently expect to get better athletes than places without our internal constraints, there is a significant premium on many coaching decisions.

Not really sweating any of this... just voicing my concerns. I know the players will be as ready as they possibly can be come August.

I hate to admit this, but the last time I was so uninterested in Rice football was before Hatfield's final season. I can't get excited. I hope that changes toward the end of the Summer.

(03-30-2019 11:54 AM)Ourland Wrote:  I hate to admit this, but the last time I was so uninterested in Rice football was before Hatfield's final season. I can't get excited. I hope that changes toward the end of the Summer.

I have never been uninterested. Never will be.