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RE: Trump has given us a booming economy. What have the Dems given us?
(04-29-2019 08:42 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/29/politics/...index.html

O'Rourke plans to invest $5 trillion over 10 years in infrastructure and innovation and also sets a goal to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050, according to an outline of O'Rourke's proposal which his campaign put out ahead of a tour of Yosemite National Park on Monday.

O'Rourke's climate change plan would "set a first-ever, net-zero emissions by 2030 carbon budget for federal lands, stopping new fossil fuel leases, changing royalties to reflect climate costs, and accelerating renewables development and forestation."

"We need a guarantee that we will, in fact, achieve net-zero emissions by 2050 and get halfway there by 2030," according to the plan.

I'm with Beto - I think climate change is the #1 issue we face. The U.S. should rightly take its place as the world leader on this issue.

And I don't believe a soul on this site can claim that Trump has done a thing to take on this issue. Reversing Obama's policies is not a plan - it's just a return to what we were doing prior to 2008. A strong economy does no one any good if we are destroying our planet.

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Trump has given us a booming economy. What have the Dems given us?
(04-29-2019 08:42 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/29/politics/...index.html

O'Rourke plans to invest $5 trillion over 10 years in infrastructure and innovation and also sets a goal to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050, according to an outline of O'Rourke's proposal which his campaign put out ahead of a tour of Yosemite National Park on Monday.

O'Rourke's climate change plan would "set a first-ever, net-zero emissions by 2030 carbon budget for federal lands, stopping new fossil fuel leases, changing royalties to reflect climate costs, and accelerating renewables development and forestation."

"We need a guarantee that we will, in fact, achieve net-zero emissions by 2050 and get halfway there by 2030," according to the plan.

I'm with Beto - I think climate change is the #1 issue we face. The U.S. should rightly take its place as the world leader on this issue.

And I don't believe a soul on this site can claim that Trump has done a thing to take on this issue. Reversing Obama's policies is not a plan - it's just a return to what we were doing prior to 2008. A strong economy does no one any good if we are destroying our planet.


Sooooo, are we going all nuke, or riding bikes and horses?

I’d be okay with the former, can’t get where I need on the bike, never liked horseback riding after one of the spooked animals kicked me in the head.

When did beta give up his a/c in his mansion?

Stinkbug nailed from the jump: Idiocracy on the loose.

How’s beta getting to Yosemite? Bike or horse?
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(04-29-2019 08:42 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/29/politics/...index.html

O'Rourke plans to invest $5 trillion over 10 years in infrastructure and innovation and also sets a goal to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050, according to an outline of O'Rourke's proposal which his campaign put out ahead of a tour of Yosemite National Park on Monday.

O'Rourke's climate change plan would "set a first-ever, net-zero emissions by 2030 carbon budget for federal lands, stopping new fossil fuel leases, changing royalties to reflect climate costs, and accelerating renewables development and forestation."

"We need a guarantee that we will, in fact, achieve net-zero emissions by 2050 and get halfway there by 2030," according to the plan.

I'm with Beto - I think climate change is the #1 issue we face. The U.S. should rightly take its place as the world leader on this issue.

And I don't believe a soul on this site can claim that Trump has done a thing to take on this issue. Reversing Obama's policies is not a plan - it's just a return to what we were doing prior to 2008. A strong economy does no one any good if we are destroying our planet.


What’s the “issue”?

Is it global warming?
Climate chaos?
Cow farts?
Or climate “change”?

Can you point us to where and when the climate WASN’T changing? You ever been to a museum?!?
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RE: Trump has given us a booming economy. What have the Dems given us?
(04-29-2019 08:42 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  A strong economy does no one any good if we are destroying our planet.

A bit dramatic but fine... the problem is the drama creates a target

The issue to the other side is, while certainly we can do more... It's the rest of the world whom has the most room to improve. If the rest of the world were at 'our' levels, we would be contributing (collectively) far less to the issue (whether one agrees in the magnitude or not) than we would if the US reached zero.

I don't know if I'm being clear, but 'destroying our planet' is about far more than CO2 emissions. It's about water and forests as well.

Let me use an analogy to try and be more clear.

We're a fleet of 100 cars going at 100 miles an hour... one of the fastest in the world. There are nations like China and Sub Saharan Africa who have fewer cars, but they are building them quickly and most of them are going 25 mph.

Proposals from people like Beto are designed to get us to 110mph, but that 10mph (because it involves all sorts of breakthroughs that don't currently exist) costs more than it would to get those other countries from 25mph to 75mph, which of course would do more to help 'the world' than us going to 110... and the technology clearly exists.

Seeing us as a leader? We already are. The sorts of changes we could do now are designed to improve our standing with places like Norway and Germany, not China.

I agree that a booming economy does us no good if we ruin the planet, but ruining our economy does no good if it doesn't stop us from ruining the planet either.... and it certainly doesn't help us be seen as a leader if our economy is struggling.

I'm not against investing in technology that gets us to 110mph by any means... I'm merely against making THAT the plan, when much of the rest of the GROWING world staying at 25mph actually lowers the 'average' speed.

Sorry for the weak analogy... I hope it's clear enough

I DO think the 'improve our standing with Norway and Germany' comment, plus the 'government funded research' are key political issues, especially to the left on the issue. Some of them have actually admitted that they believe 'the cost doesn't matter'... but it does. These are POLITICAL solutions and money grabs more than they are 'plans to save the planet'. If they were plans to save the planet, we would be talking a whole lot more about exporting our existing technology and enforcing 'higher' standards globally as opposed to simply writing checks
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We ruin our economy and we’ll be back to ruining our planet on the doublequick.

See: third world areas that have devolved from relative first world in a matter of a handful of years, such as Vz., LA or San Fran.

Yet, with “leaders” like beta, we’re intent on running headlong into the abyss. Drugs are bad, beta, drugs are baaaad.
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RE: Trump has given us a booming economy. What have the Dems given us?
(04-29-2019 08:42 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  And I don't believe a soul on this site can claim that Trump has done a thing to take on this issue. Reversing Obama's policies is not a plan - it's just a return to what we were doing prior to 2008. A strong economy does no one any good if we are destroying our planet.

In fairness to Trump, he has been correcting the mess Obama created, and dealing with Obamas failed coup attempt. Dealing with the natural changes of planet earth is a little lower on the priority list right now.
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(04-29-2019 09:19 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  What’s the “issue”?

Is it global warming?
Climate chaos?
Cow farts?
Or climate “change”?

Can you point us to where and when the climate WASN’T changing? You ever been to a museum?!?

I'll bite - which museum do you recommend as the best place to learn about our planet's history? Texas museums would be easier for me to get to this summer, although I do plan on going to Montana for a week if there are recommendations out there.

And you guys can't have it both ways. You can't claim the democrats haven't done anything, but then the minute any new radical policy is proposed, you immediately dismiss it as nonsense. If that's the approach you're taking, then at the least change the title of this thread to what (good things) have the Dems given us?
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RE: Trump has given us a booming economy. What have the Dems given us?
(04-29-2019 09:48 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(04-29-2019 09:19 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  What’s the “issue”?

Is it global warming?
Climate chaos?
Cow farts?
Or climate “change”?

Can you point us to where and when the climate WASN’T changing? You ever been to a museum?!?

I'll bite - which museum do you recommend as the best place to learn about our planet's history? Texas museums would be easier for me to get to this summer, although I do plan on going to Montana for a week if there are recommendations out there.

And you guys can't have it both ways. You can't claim the democrats haven't done anything, but then the minute any new radical policy is proposed, you immediately dismiss it as nonsense. If that's the approach you're taking, then at the least change the title of this thread to what (good things) have the Dems given us?

Why radical? Why not smart?
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RE: Trump has given us a booming economy. What have the Dems given us?
(04-29-2019 08:42 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/29/politics/...index.html

O'Rourke plans to invest $5 trillion over 10 years in infrastructure and innovation and also sets a goal to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050, according to an outline of O'Rourke's proposal which his campaign put out ahead of a tour of Yosemite National Park on Monday.

O'Rourke's climate change plan would "set a first-ever, net-zero emissions by 2030 carbon budget for federal lands, stopping new fossil fuel leases, changing royalties to reflect climate costs, and accelerating renewables development and forestation."

"We need a guarantee that we will, in fact, achieve net-zero emissions by 2050 and get halfway there by 2030," according to the plan.

I'm with Beto - I think climate change is the #1 issue we face. The U.S. should rightly take its place as the world leader on this issue.

And I don't believe a soul on this site can claim that Trump has done a thing to take on this issue. Reversing Obama's policies is not a plan - it's just a return to what we were doing prior to 2008. A strong economy does no one any good if we are destroying our planet.

Not sure how one with an education at Rice comes to this conclusion. Help me understand the rationale used to get here. Do you believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny too?
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RE: Trump has given us a booming economy. What have the Dems given us?
(04-29-2019 09:48 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(04-29-2019 09:19 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  What’s the “issue”?

Is it global warming?
Climate chaos?
Cow farts?
Or climate “change”?

Can you point us to where and when the climate WASN’T changing? You ever been to a museum?!?

I'll bite - which museum do you recommend as the best place to learn about our planet's history? Texas museums would be easier for me to get to this summer, although I do plan on going to Montana for a week if there are recommendations out there.

And you guys can't have it both ways. You can't claim the democrats haven't done anything, but then the minute any new radical policy is proposed, you immediately dismiss it as nonsense. If that's the approach you're taking, then at the least change the title of this thread to what (good things) have the Dems given us?

How much does it cost and what do we get out of it?
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(04-29-2019 10:02 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-29-2019 08:42 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/29/politics/...index.html

O'Rourke plans to invest $5 trillion over 10 years in infrastructure and innovation and also sets a goal to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050, according to an outline of O'Rourke's proposal which his campaign put out ahead of a tour of Yosemite National Park on Monday.

O'Rourke's climate change plan would "set a first-ever, net-zero emissions by 2030 carbon budget for federal lands, stopping new fossil fuel leases, changing royalties to reflect climate costs, and accelerating renewables development and forestation."

"We need a guarantee that we will, in fact, achieve net-zero emissions by 2050 and get halfway there by 2030," according to the plan.

I'm with Beto - I think climate change is the #1 issue we face. The U.S. should rightly take its place as the world leader on this issue.

And I don't believe a soul on this site can claim that Trump has done a thing to take on this issue. Reversing Obama's policies is not a plan - it's just a return to what we were doing prior to 2008. A strong economy does no one any good if we are destroying our planet.

Not sure how one with an education at UCLA comes to this conclusion. Help me understand the rationale used to get here. Do you believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny too?

FIFY

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RE: Trump has given us a booming economy. What have the Dems given us?
(04-29-2019 08:42 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/29/politics/...index.html

O'Rourke plans to invest $5 trillion over 10 years in infrastructure and innovation and also sets a goal to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050, according to an outline of O'Rourke's proposal which his campaign put out ahead of a tour of Yosemite National Park on Monday.

O'Rourke's climate change plan would "set a first-ever, net-zero emissions by 2030 carbon budget for federal lands, stopping new fossil fuel leases, changing royalties to reflect climate costs, and accelerating renewables development and forestation."

"We need a guarantee that we will, in fact, achieve net-zero emissions by 2050 and get halfway there by 2030," according to the plan.

I'm with Beto - I think climate change is the #1 issue we face. The U.S. should rightly take its place as the world leader on this issue.

And I don't believe a soul on this site can claim that Trump has done a thing to take on this issue. Reversing Obama's policies is not a plan - it's just a return to what we were doing prior to 2008. A strong economy does no one any good if we are destroying our planet.

There is data that shows that change in climate is a normal occurrence.

[Image: 415k-year-temp-graph.jpg]

[Image: globaltemperaturelast550millionyearsdegf.jpg]

[Image: milankovitch_cycle.png]
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(04-29-2019 09:48 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(04-29-2019 09:19 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  What’s the “issue”?

Is it global warming?
Climate chaos?
Cow farts?
Or climate “change”?

Can you point us to where and when the climate WASN’T changing? You ever been to a museum?!?

I'll bite - which museum do you recommend as the best place to learn about our planet's history? Texas museums would be easier for me to get to this summer, although I do plan on going to Montana for a week if there are recommendations out there.

And you guys can't have it both ways. You can't claim the democrats haven't done anything, but then the minute any new radical policy is proposed, you immediately dismiss it as nonsense. If that's the approach you're taking, then at the least change the title of this thread to what (good things) have the Dems given us?


Ah, hell

Tween texas and Montana, then skip the darn brick and mortar museum and go straight to the source.

West Texas, take a sidearm or good rock throwing arm for the rattlers and hit the glass mountains. A veritable treasure trove of Permian SEA-creature fossils: conodonts, brachiopods, trilobites and a plethora of plant imprints, ferns etc and lots of other stuff. Where do you think all that glorious oil (FOSSIL fuel) comes from?

Montana? Find some local fella and have them set you in the right direction to find any number of sea creatures of the same ilk and era, OR go find yourself a tyrannosaur, triceratops or one of my personal faves, the diplodocus.

Better, if you can carve out an overnight or so, hop on the covered wagon and go visit the Grand Tetons (Big Titties) in Wyoming, lovely and fascinating place.


How and why? Cause That was a BAO as well. (Big Asss Ocean). Now, how did we screw that all up when we weren’t even cave dwellers in Co or NM at the time?

Ebb and flow my good man. Like all else, we’re just here for a blink. Takes a strong hubris to think we can somehow “control” this marble in the macro.

Be a good steward while we “run” it? Sure, we should most certainly try.

And “we”, especially the United States have tried and made remarkable improvements in a very short period of time. Using government force to take us back to burning our trees (more forestation in the U.S. now than when the pilgrims set foot) and horses schitting all over our streets (like humans already doing so isn’t enough) is no “plan” to improve our “environment”.

Ebb and flow my good man. Here for a blink.
Make the most bestest out of it!
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(04-29-2019 10:22 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(04-29-2019 08:42 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/29/politics/...index.html

O'Rourke plans to invest $5 trillion over 10 years in infrastructure and innovation and also sets a goal to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050, according to an outline of O'Rourke's proposal which his campaign put out ahead of a tour of Yosemite National Park on Monday.

O'Rourke's climate change plan would "set a first-ever, net-zero emissions by 2030 carbon budget for federal lands, stopping new fossil fuel leases, changing royalties to reflect climate costs, and accelerating renewables development and forestation."

"We need a guarantee that we will, in fact, achieve net-zero emissions by 2050 and get halfway there by 2030," according to the plan.

I'm with Beto - I think climate change is the #1 issue we face. The U.S. should rightly take its place as the world leader on this issue.

And I don't believe a soul on this site can claim that Trump has done a thing to take on this issue. Reversing Obama's policies is not a plan - it's just a return to what we were doing prior to 2008. A strong economy does no one any good if we are destroying our planet.

There is data that shows that change in climate is a normal occurrence.

[Image: 415k-year-temp-graph.jpg]

[Image: globaltemperaturelast550millionyearsdegf.jpg]

[Image: milankovitch_cycle.png]

Out of curiosity - what did a thermometer look like waaaayyy back then?

I have little doubt that average temps have bounced all over the place in the last 500 Million years or so, but honestly, how can you really know that with that level of precision?
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(04-29-2019 09:48 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(04-29-2019 09:19 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  What’s the “issue”?

Is it global warming?
Climate chaos?
Cow farts?
Or climate “change”?

Can you point us to where and when the climate WASN’T changing? You ever been to a museum?!?

I'll bite - which museum do you recommend as the best place to learn about our planet's history? Texas museums would be easier for me to get to this summer, although I do plan on going to Montana for a week if there are recommendations out there.

And you guys can't have it both ways. You can't claim the democrats haven't done anything, but then the minute any new radical policy is proposed, you immediately dismiss it as nonsense. If that's the approach you're taking, then at the least change the title of this thread to what (good things) have the Dems given us?

No recommendations but after all your crying about protecting the environment I wish you well on your hike to and around Montana.
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