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(11-14-2019 12:40 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(11-14-2019 12:34 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Does anyone think the Astros sign stealing fiasco is a big deal?

Sign stealing has been part of baseball since the world was young. This is a pretty egregious example (and highlights one of the reasons teams are supposed to keep technology out of the dugout). They should (and likely will) receive a minor punishment but no, it's not scandalous.





Of course, they definitely need hand over the WS trophy to the Dodgers.

I think this is going to be punished severely.....
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do know this-players are pissed-

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A bit of trivia. What is Mike Sirotka infamous for?


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RE: 2019 MLB Thread
(11-14-2019 01:27 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-14-2019 12:40 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(11-14-2019 12:34 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Does anyone think the Astros sign stealing fiasco is a big deal?

Sign stealing has been part of baseball since the world was young. This is a pretty egregious example (and highlights one of the reasons teams are supposed to keep technology out of the dugout). They should (and likely will) receive a minor punishment but no, it's not scandalous.





Of course, they definitely need hand over the WS trophy to the Dodgers.

I think this is going to be punished severely.....

Define "severely". I just don't think there's much MLB can (or wants) to do.
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(11-14-2019 01:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-14-2019 12:24 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(11-14-2019 12:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-14-2019 12:00 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(11-13-2019 08:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  actually they updated- Ryu 2nd, Scherzer 3rd, Flaherty 4th, and Strasburg 5th....

Flaherty 3 votes away from Scherzer for 3rd.

Based on some of those votes I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that the BBWAA struggles with their maths. One guy in Philly thinks Kershaw had a better season than Ryu (and Buehler, and Scherzer, and Corbin, etc...)

yeah, if the season ended August 15. But bad for Kershaw, it didn't...

I think you're being really generous here. Kershaw was pitching well but was still the third best pitcher on his team on August 15; certainly not third in the NL. Ryu's ERA was almost HALF of Kershaw's at that point.

Quote:I hate to say it, but I think Kershaw in 2-3 years is just like King Felix or Lincecum....

The guy is still a perfectly serviceable #3 or #4 pitcher. It's definitely sad to see the decline but he hasn't (yet) dropped of the cliff like those guys.
If he can stay healthy it seems like he can continue to be a 3-4 fWAR guy for at least the next couple years to the end of his contract. The question is what happens in 2022 after the end of his current deal. Wouldn't be surprised to see him retire at that point, but if healthy I also wouldn't be surprised to see him sign a short term deal with the Rangers so he can go back to Texas. I'd obviously prefer him to retire a Dodger but it's hard to imagine LA signing him at that point.

To Cy Young voters who look at ERA a lot- he'd have been #2 on the Dodgers. Ryu 1.45, Kershaw 2.63, Buehler 3.31... I think he'd have been #3 or 4- with Max in there as #2- with deGrom and him fighting it out.....

I do think we saw that Cy Young voters still look at ERA a lot. Look at where Ryu was compared to Strasburg and Buehler as a great example.

I kind of disagree with you on long term with Kershaw.
fWAR/162
2016 6.85
2017 3.98
2018 3.31
2019 3.09

I think we're going to see in the next few years either his skills continue to decline or him getting injured more(or both). I wouldn't be shocked if he's a 2 WAR guy even next year.

Well, I did qualify my predictions on him remaining healthy. If not, of course he's going to struggle terribly. But if he can keep his health (not a lock for sure but he managed pretty well in 2019) there's really not much to indicate a drop from where he is. Of course I agree it also wouldn't be a shock to see him drop down to 2 fWAR. That would make for some very interesting decision making if LA makes the playoffs...
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(11-14-2019 02:40 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(11-14-2019 01:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-14-2019 12:24 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(11-14-2019 12:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-14-2019 12:00 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Based on some of those votes I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that the BBWAA struggles with their maths. One guy in Philly thinks Kershaw had a better season than Ryu (and Buehler, and Scherzer, and Corbin, etc...)

yeah, if the season ended August 15. But bad for Kershaw, it didn't...

I think you're being really generous here. Kershaw was pitching well but was still the third best pitcher on his team on August 15; certainly not third in the NL. Ryu's ERA was almost HALF of Kershaw's at that point.

Quote:I hate to say it, but I think Kershaw in 2-3 years is just like King Felix or Lincecum....

The guy is still a perfectly serviceable #3 or #4 pitcher. It's definitely sad to see the decline but he hasn't (yet) dropped of the cliff like those guys.
If he can stay healthy it seems like he can continue to be a 3-4 fWAR guy for at least the next couple years to the end of his contract. The question is what happens in 2022 after the end of his current deal. Wouldn't be surprised to see him retire at that point, but if healthy I also wouldn't be surprised to see him sign a short term deal with the Rangers so he can go back to Texas. I'd obviously prefer him to retire a Dodger but it's hard to imagine LA signing him at that point.

To Cy Young voters who look at ERA a lot- he'd have been #2 on the Dodgers. Ryu 1.45, Kershaw 2.63, Buehler 3.31... I think he'd have been #3 or 4- with Max in there as #2- with deGrom and him fighting it out.....

I do think we saw that Cy Young voters still look at ERA a lot. Look at where Ryu was compared to Strasburg and Buehler as a great example.

I kind of disagree with you on long term with Kershaw.
fWAR/162
2016 6.85
2017 3.98
2018 3.31
2019 3.09

I think we're going to see in the next few years either his skills continue to decline or him getting injured more(or both). I wouldn't be shocked if he's a 2 WAR guy even next year.

Well, I did qualify my predictions on him remaining healthy. If not, of course he's going to struggle terribly. But if he can keep his health (not a lock for sure but he managed pretty well in 2019) there's really not much to indicate a drop from where he is. Of course I agree it also wouldn't be a shock to see him drop down to 2 fWAR. That would make for some very interesting decision making if LA makes the playoffs...

he could easily be only a 2.5 fWAR guy this year. His WAR/162 IP dropped by .89 last 2 seasons. That's not going to stop going down. Everyone says how homer prone he is and how that impacted his FIP... well even look at his xFIP last 4 years(even though you know I think that's voodoo as I think guys can control their homers to some degree)
2016 2.28
2017 2.84
2018 3.19
2019 3.50

you follow that logic, and that's going to be up near 4 next season...
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(11-14-2019 02:31 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(11-14-2019 01:27 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-14-2019 12:40 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(11-14-2019 12:34 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Does anyone think the Astros sign stealing fiasco is a big deal?

Sign stealing has been part of baseball since the world was young. This is a pretty egregious example (and highlights one of the reasons teams are supposed to keep technology out of the dugout). They should (and likely will) receive a minor punishment but no, it's not scandalous.





Of course, they definitely need hand over the WS trophy to the Dodgers.

I think this is going to be punished severely.....

Define "severely". I just don't think there's much MLB can (or wants) to do.


It is a big deal, not stealing signs, but the way they did it through technology. They are going to get hammered big time. Careers have been impacted by this and other teams players are pissed. I look for a record fine, and record amounts of draft picks taken away. If MLB can think of anything else they will do it.


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