(03-06-2019 06:53 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 06:42 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  We play at Kentucky next season in a 1-&-done. It was just reported today that Akron & Kentucky have agreed to a 2-for-1 starting in 2023 at Akron. I wonder how UA is able to secure a home game against them but we're not.

UK probably believes they can win at Akron, no problem, more difficult to win at Toledo.

possibly. My thought was they see that area of Ohio as much richer feeding ground for talent and making an appearance might help recruiting.

(03-06-2019 06:42 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  We play at Kentucky next season in a 1-&-done. It was just reported today that Akron & Kentucky have agreed to a 2-for-1 starting in 2023 at Akron. I wonder how UA is able to secure a home game against them but we're not.

Rockets can get 1 for 2. Better off getting 1 for 1 or a money game.

(03-06-2019 10:03 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 06:42 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  We play at Kentucky next season in a 1-&-done. It was just reported today that Akron & Kentucky have agreed to a 2-for-1 starting in 2023 at Akron. I wonder how UA is able to secure a home game against them but we're not.

Rockets can get 1 for 2. Better off getting 1 for 1 or a money game.

Those two away games at Kentucky will be money games for Akron, no? I agree with the sentiment, a one and done with a Kentucky level program does not do our program any good and a 1 for 1 with UMass. and a matinee game against Norfolk St even less. If a so-so football mid-major with a top b-ball program can buy us a home-game in b-ball, sure. But losing fan appeal with these disinterested ESPN schedules will cost in the alumni dept in the long run.

(03-07-2019 05:06 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 10:03 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 06:42 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  We play at Kentucky next season in a 1-&-done. It was just reported today that Akron & Kentucky have agreed to a 2-for-1 starting in 2023 at Akron. I wonder how UA is able to secure a home game against them but we're not.

Rockets can get 1 for 2. Better off getting 1 for 1 or a money game.

Those two away games at Kentucky will be money games for Akron, no? I agree with the sentiment, a one and done with a Kentucky level program does not do our program any good and a 1 for 1 with UMass. and a matinee game against Norfolk St even less. If a so-so football mid-major with a top b-ball program can buy us a home-game in b-ball, sure. But losing fan appeal with these disinterested ESPN schedules will cost in the alumni dept in the long run.

UK finished #12 in the Final AP FB Poll. That was ahead of teams like Michigan and Penn State.

(03-06-2019 08:58 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 06:53 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 06:42 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  We play at Kentucky next season in a 1-&-done. It was just reported today that Akron & Kentucky have agreed to a 2-for-1 starting in 2023 at Akron. I wonder how UA is able to secure a home game against them but we're not.

UK probably believes they can win at Akron, no problem, more difficult to win at Toledo.

possibly. My thought was they see that area of Ohio as much richer feeding ground for talent and making an appearance might help recruiting.

Absolutely, especially with Stoops being from Youngstown and other Ohio connections on his staff like Marrow.

(03-02-2019 06:59 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  AND I imagine ESPN had a hand in opponent match-making.

How so?

(02-28-2019 03:11 PM)cnyrocketfan Wrote:  along with home games against Central Connecticut in 2020 and Norfolk State in 2021. Didn't see anything on the UT site just now but here's a link.

https://fbschedules.com/toledo-umass-cen...schedules/

So UMass in addition to and not in replacement of the 1-AA/FCS game?? Ugh...

(03-06-2019 10:03 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 06:42 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  We play at Kentucky next season in a 1-&-done. It was just reported today that Akron & Kentucky have agreed to a 2-for-1 starting in 2023 at Akron. I wonder how UA is able to secure a home game against them but we're not.

Rockets can get 1 for 2. Better off getting 1 for 1 or a money game.

We got a 1 for 1 with the U. We are not in the business for 2-1s. P5 schools dont want to give us 2 chances at a win in their building. NO ONE wants to come to the glass bowl. BIG teams just stay away from us in general except the big dogs who are confident 10 weeks a year. There is only a few select P5 schools that would see value in recruiting in Ohio and would feel confident playing us 3 total times. Maybe itd be a program that feels on a higher level than Miami? But not a monster... VT maybe? TAMU? LSU? Stanford?

Mizzou, Miami, Arizona all did 1-1. Arkansas, Florida, PSU, Michigan were all money games. Pitt, Minny and Purdue all had more home games than away games but I'm not sure how those contracts were made. Colorado came here and didn't even get a home game from us...

(02-28-2019 09:20 PM)rocket 51 Wrote:  Not his best work for sure. Wonder what Jason C thinks of these.

No football ooc games get scheduled without Candle's input.

I used to live in N.Dakota and both N. Dakota St. and N. Dakota were very good DII schools at that time. Let's bring in now either one of these FCS Dakota schools to the glass bowl.

In 2016, N.Dakota lost to the Falcons 26-27.

(03-07-2019 06:04 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(03-07-2019 05:06 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 10:03 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 06:42 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  We play at Kentucky next season in a 1-&-done. It was just reported today that Akron & Kentucky have agreed to a 2-for-1 starting in 2023 at Akron. I wonder how UA is able to secure a home game against them but we're not.

Rockets can get 1 for 2. Better off getting 1 for 1 or a money game.

Those two away games at Kentucky will be money games for Akron, no? I agree with the sentiment, a one and done with a Kentucky level program does not do our program any good and a 1 for 1 with UMass. and a matinee game against Norfolk St even less. If a so-so football mid-major with a top b-ball program can buy us a home-game in b-ball, sure. But losing fan appeal with these disinterested ESPN schedules will cost in the alumni dept in the long run.

UK finished #12 in the Final AP FB Poll. That was ahead of teams like Michigan and Penn State.

and I stayed in a Holiday Express.

We're not equating a one-off like Kentucky with UM and OSU. No we're not going to do that. But if so, even more props to Kentucky for getting a home game with OSU and Michigan! We should have held out for the home game. That's two money games and a fan-experience. This Norfolk/Hampshire crap is wearing on the fan base as evidenced by this very thread. That will wear on contributions down the line. I still think this scheduling is a bad plan, regardless any immediate gratification AD gets from ESPN.

(03-07-2019 04:30 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(03-07-2019 06:04 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(03-07-2019 05:06 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 10:03 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 06:42 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  We play at Kentucky next season in a 1-&-done. It was just reported today that Akron & Kentucky have agreed to a 2-for-1 starting in 2023 at Akron. I wonder how UA is able to secure a home game against them but we're not.

Rockets can get 1 for 2. Better off getting 1 for 1 or a money game.

Those two away games at Kentucky will be money games for Akron, no? I agree with the sentiment, a one and done with a Kentucky level program does not do our program any good and a 1 for 1 with UMass. and a matinee game against Norfolk St even less. If a so-so football mid-major with a top b-ball program can buy us a home-game in b-ball, sure. But losing fan appeal with these disinterested ESPN schedules will cost in the alumni dept in the long run.

UK finished #12 in the Final AP FB Poll. That was ahead of teams like Michigan and Penn State.

and I stayed in a Holiday Express.

We're not equating a one-off like Kentucky with UM and OSU. No we're not going to do that. But if so, even more props to Kentucky for getting a home game with OSU and Michigan! We should have held out for the home game. That's two money games and a fan-experience. This Norfolk/Hampshire crap is wearing on the fan base as evidenced by this very thread. That will wear on contributions down the line. I still think this scheduling is a bad plan, regardless any immediate gratification AD gets from ESPN.

UK beat the Nittany Lions in their Bowl game.

(03-07-2019 05:29 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(03-07-2019 04:30 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(03-07-2019 06:04 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(03-07-2019 05:06 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 10:03 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Rockets can get 1 for 2. Better off getting 1 for 1 or a money game.

Those two away games at Kentucky will be money games for Akron, no? I agree with the sentiment, a one and done with a Kentucky level program does not do our program any good and a 1 for 1 with UMass. and a matinee game against Norfolk St even less. If a so-so football mid-major with a top b-ball program can buy us a home-game in b-ball, sure. But losing fan appeal with these disinterested ESPN schedules will cost in the alumni dept in the long run.

UK finished #12 in the Final AP FB Poll. That was ahead of teams like Michigan and Penn State.

and I stayed in a Holiday Express.

We're not equating a one-off like Kentucky with UM and OSU. No we're not going to do that. But if so, even more props to Kentucky for getting a home game with OSU and Michigan! We should have held out for the home game. That's two money games and a fan-experience. This Norfolk/Hampshire crap is wearing on the fan base as evidenced by this very thread. That will wear on contributions down the line. I still think this scheduling is a bad plan, regardless any immediate gratification AD gets from ESPN.

UK beat the Nittany Lions in their Bowl game.

In front of 59,000 neutral fans.

Appalacian St took the Nittany Lions to overtime on their home field of 106,000. Not getting a home game out of Kentucky was a fail.

Kentucky and Norfolk/CCSU/UMass are different topics.

The money game with Kentucky, a school who we will beat 7 of the past 10 seasons is fine scheduling. If we play em at home and beat em it's almost expected. At least it can be a road win. Kentucky doesn't travel better than Miami anyhow. They'd bring 2000. And most years like when we scheduled them they are a 3-9 SEC bottom sweller.

I don't think what fans they'd bring is the issue. The issue is the fans they'd draw back to UT because they're SEC. There's no need to play them at their home if nothing in return but money. That could have been gotten by about any P5, preferably one with reputation.

Now if it came with a package deal of a b-ball game at their house, plus money, sure.

(03-07-2019 06:21 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  I don't think what fans they'd bring is the issue. The issue is the fans they'd draw back to UT because they're SEC. There's no need to play them at their home if nothing in return but money. That could have been gotten by about any P5, preferably one with reputation.

Now if it came with a package deal of a b-ball game at their house, plus money, sure.

I disagree on almost all points...
Kentucky has literally been the joke of college football next to ISU, Illinois and Kansas over the past 10 years. Some schools are on revivals but Kentucky (on SEC name alone) wouldn't sell out at the GB if they didn't bring any fans. UC would be a better crowd because of alums. We had 24k and change in 2012 when they came to town RANKED.

The reason to play at their place is it gets us ready for MAC play. They still recruit better than most of our league. It's a road game which looks good no matter who you beat... Like I said we would be favored against Kentucky at home most seasons. They had a good season so we will see if they return to a bowl again. But when we scheduled them, we probably projected to be dang near even giving them the 3 points for being at home.

And uh... MONEY. We need money. P5 schools aren't CALLING us to play games. We take the money and W when we can. We did against Arkansas.

(03-07-2019 07:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(03-07-2019 06:21 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  I don't think what fans they'd bring is the issue. The issue is the fans they'd draw back to UT because they're SEC. There's no need to play them at their home if nothing in return but money. That could have been gotten by about any P5, preferably one with reputation.

Now if it came with a package deal of a b-ball game at their house, plus money, sure.

I disagree on almost all points...
Kentucky has literally been the joke of college football next to ISU, Illinois and Kansas over the past 10 years. Some schools are on revivals but Kentucky (on SEC name alone) wouldn't sell out at the GB if they didn't bring any fans. UC would be a better crowd because of alums. .

Oh, we have a game scheduled with Cinci? No we don't.

We seem to agree more than disagree. You really think it's a great move to give a home only to a team that has "literally been the joke....." You make exactly the point I made and nearly the opposite of Boca whose smae conclusion as yours came from polor opposite reasoning.

BUT if you do not believe that a home game against an SEC team will bring more fan interest than a team like... Norfolk St...ok. Agree to disagree.

(03-07-2019 07:39 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(03-07-2019 07:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(03-07-2019 06:21 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  I don't think what fans they'd bring is the issue. The issue is the fans they'd draw back to UT because they're SEC. There's no need to play them at their home if nothing in return but money. That could have been gotten by about any P5, preferably one with reputation.

Now if it came with a package deal of a b-ball game at their house, plus money, sure.

I disagree on almost all points...
Kentucky has literally been the joke of college football next to ISU, Illinois and Kansas over the past 10 years. Some schools are on revivals but Kentucky (on SEC name alone) wouldn't sell out at the GB if they didn't bring any fans. UC would be a better crowd because of alums. .

Oh, we have a game scheduled with Cinci? No we don't.

We seem to agree more than disagree. You really think it's a great move to give a home only to a team that has "literally been the joke....." You make exactly the point I made and nearly the opposite of Boca whose smae conclusion as yours came from polor opposite reasoning.

BUT if you do not believe that a home game against an SEC team will bring more fan interest than a team like... Norfolk St...ok. Agree to disagree.

This all started because you think the 1 and money is bad. That's where I disagree. Of course it's better than Norfolk State!!! Comparing the two is all you and nothing I would wish to do unless MOB canceled Kentucky at home to grab an FCS team. We didn't have the choice though so that comparison is worthless.

I always want SEC teams in the GB... But that doesn't mean playing a perennially bad SEC team on the road is making me lose sleep. If they are always bad, might as well beat them on the road where it appears as a better win AND gets us ready for MAC play AND gets us paid.

We don't have UC scheduled in the future no... I like the rivalry and wish we played them more but idk how their future schedules line up and how we could make that happen. They already play Miami every year and probably don't want another MAC team on their schedule. They played Ohio last season as well.

When they did come they brought a good croed and were ranked. We still didn't sell out! What makes you think Name recognition of Kentucky brings a casual student out? More than Norfolk State okay, but there are way better options than both. No one wants to play us though. So we get an FCS team and G5 team every season instead. The occasional Big boy does pony up.

(03-07-2019 08:23 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(03-07-2019 07:39 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Oh, we have a game scheduled with Cinci? No we don't.

We seem to agree more than disagree. You really think it's a great move to give a home only to a team that has "literally been the joke....." You make exactly the point I made and nearly the opposite of Boca whose smae conclusion as yours came from polor opposite reasoning.

BUT if you do not believe that a home game against an SEC team will bring more fan interest than a team like... Norfolk St...ok. Agree to disagree.

This all started because you think the 1 and money is bad....

What makes you think Name recognition of Kentucky brings a casual student out?

Name recognition.

ba dum bum

And it's not just students of interest. It's former alums. It's city fans..... The goal is to build donation list. Kentucky or similar midling P5, let alone SEC would do that MUCH better than these ESPN schedules. 10 years from now, what fan is going to remember playing Norfolk st ? They would remember playing even a Kentucky.

But my real wish would have been that b-ball game.