As the final weekend of games is upon us, who all do you guys have for: POY, ROY, DPOY and first team CAA?


Player of the Year:

JWF: 26.6 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.0 apg, 0.8 spg, 0.2 bpg, 2.5 TO, 53.3% shooting, 43.3% 3pt%

Knight: 20.8 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 3.5 apg, 0.4 spg, 2.2 bpg, 2.9 TO, 58.7% shooting, 24.3% 3pt%

Riller: 22.3 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 4.0 apg, 1.2 spg, 0 bpg, 2.3 TO, 52.9% shooting, 34.4% 3pt%

Brantley: 19.4 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 2.3 apg, 1.2 spg, 0.8 bpg, 2.3 TO, 51.9% shooting, 34.4% 3pt%

I think POY goes to Wright-Foreman, though Nathan Knight could really put pressure on him if JWF does not finish this weekend strong. I personally like Knight for it for his balance in all categories as opposed to just scoring, but its hard to ignore JWF scoring and his efficiency on his shots for a guard.


Rookie of the Year:

Wynter: 10.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.3 spg, 2.4 TO on 43% shooting, 35% 3pt%

Toews: 8.9 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 7.9 apg, 0.5 spg, 3.4 TO on 40.9% shooting, 27% 3pt%

Audige: 10.0 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.5 apg, 1.5 spg, 2.0 TO on 46.6% shooting, 37.6 3pt%

I think ROY is a fascinating race between Toews, Wynter and Audige. My vote is barely towards Toews, and I think this weekend of games will decide the winner.


Defensive Player of the Year:

Devontae Cacok: 0.6 blocks per game, 8.1 Def Rebounds per game, 1.0 steals per game

Desure Buie: 2.5 steals per game

Jarell Brantley: 0.8 blocks per game, 6.6 Def Rebounds per game, 1.4 steals per game

Nathan Knight: 2.3 blocks per game, 5.9 Def Rebounds per game

Eric Carter: 0.7 blocks per game, 7.8 Def Rebounds per game

This one is tough. Just depends on how they view defense. Buie gets an insane number of steals, Knight blocks way more shots than others, Cacok rebounds better than the rest. I am guessing Cacok will get it by default but I would give it to Brantley for having the best of all of the defensive stats


First Team All CAA:

F- Cacok
F- Knight
F- Brantley
G- Riller
G- Wright-Foreman

Carter, Pusica, and maybe Fobbs could make a case too. I went 3 forwards in a guard-driven league

I'd take Carter over Cacok. I'd put Cacok, Pusica, Seibring, Pierce, and Fobbs on the Second Team. Mosley may get on the Second Team because of his scoring, but his other statistics aren't great.

Wynter really helped his case last night scoring 15 with 7 rebounds and 8 assists and only 2 turnovers. I think it will come down to Saturday and who performs better between Wynter and Toews. I think I am now slightly towards Wynter going into it.

JWF started slow and still put up a monster line. I think he just about wrapped up POY despite Knight having a fine game last night himself. Not sure Knight did enough last night with his 19/6 line to raise him any or close that gap.

(02-28-2019 06:04 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  I'd take Carter over Cacok. I'd put Cacok, Pusica, Seibring, Pierce, and Fobbs on the Second Team. Mosley may get on the Second Team because of his scoring, but his other statistics aren't great.

Second team is often the harder team to figure out IMO. Usually there are 6, maybe 7 guys to talk about for first team. You slide the guys that miss first team into second. Then it feels like almost every team has someone you can make an argument for on second team.

(03-01-2019 07:26 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Wynter really helped his case last night scoring 15 with 7 rebounds and 8 assists and only 2 turnovers. I think it will come down to Saturday and who performs better between Wynter and Toews. I think I am now slightly towards Wynter going into it.

JWF started slow and still put up a monster line. I think he just about wrapped up POY despite Knight having a fine game last night himself. Not sure Knight did enough last night with his 19/6 line to raise him any or close that gap.

I think JWF wins POY. I'm not 100% convinced he deserves it, although I'm obviously biased.

I feel like too much weight is put on (a) being a senior (b) returning POY © pre-season POY.

To me, if you look at them objectively it's very much neck and neck and depends on what you value. In reality, I think JWF will win it pretty easily.

(03-01-2019 09:04 AM)wml33t Wrote:  I feel like too much weight is put on (a) being a senior (b) returning POY © pre-season POY.

Or maybe you are ignoring the fact he is 2nd in all of the NCAA in scoring. Scoring is always looked positively on. Add to it that he is shooting a high percentage makes it impressive, even if he has no supporting stats.

(03-01-2019 10:38 AM)dan10 Wrote:  

(03-01-2019 09:04 AM)wml33t Wrote:  I feel like too much weight is put on (a) being a senior (b) returning POY © pre-season POY.

Or maybe you are ignoring the fact he is 2nd in all of the NCAA in scoring. Scoring is always looked positively on. Add to it that he is shooting a high percentage makes it impressive, even if he has no supporting stats.

I should have added scoring over everything else to my list .

To be clear.. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to win, I'm just not sure it's as obvious as the voting will make it out to be.

(03-01-2019 11:12 AM)wml33t Wrote:  To be clear.. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to win, I'm just not sure it's as obvious as the voting will make it out to be.

I agree with you there. At this point to me it should be like a 75%/25% vote for JWK/Knight. I do not see anyone else worthy of of garnering POY votes, though I am sure Riller and Brantley and probably Pusica could get one

(03-01-2019 12:40 PM)dan10 Wrote:  

(03-01-2019 11:12 AM)wml33t Wrote:  To be clear.. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to win, I'm just not sure it's as obvious as the voting will make it out to be.

I agree with you there. At this point to me it should be like a 75%/25% vote for JWK/Knight. I do not see anyone else worthy of of garnering POY votes, though I am sure Riller and Brantley and probably Pusica could get one

Yup. And obviously I have some bias cheated to Knight which colors my opinions here.

Either way, as long as the crazy speculation of Knight going pro (I still think that's far fetched this year), Nathan seems the clear front-runner for POY awards next year.

(03-01-2019 09:04 AM)wml33t Wrote:  

(03-01-2019 07:26 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Wynter really helped his case last night scoring 15 with 7 rebounds and 8 assists and only 2 turnovers. I think it will come down to Saturday and who performs better between Wynter and Toews. I think I am now slightly towards Wynter going into it.

JWF started slow and still put up a monster line. I think he just about wrapped up POY despite Knight having a fine game last night himself. Not sure Knight did enough last night with his 19/6 line to raise him any or close that gap.

I think JWF wins POY. I'm not 100% convinced he deserves it, although I'm obviously biased.

I feel like too much weight is put on (a) being a senior (b) returning POY © pre-season POY.

To me, if you look at them objectively it's very much neck and neck and depends on what you value. In reality, I think JWF will win it pretty easily.

How about valuing the best player on the League's best team?

(03-01-2019 01:10 PM)HUPride Wrote:  How about valuing the best player on the League's best team?

That happens often and is actually a sentiment I very much disagree with. Player of the Year is what it says it is player of the year. The team's level of success should not matter in evaluating how good said player. Valuing the leagues best team is how you get seeded and determine post season. To me things like this are individual awards and taking into account what the team does around them should mostly be taken out.

If a team is balanced and runs roughshod on a league should they get a player to be POY? If JWF was on say Elon, should he be excluded with the same numbers he has currently? To me the answer is no in both cases. Same goes for the other awards. Should a guy win DPOY just because his team gives up the fewest points? Should a guy win DPOY if he hangs out in a zone under the basket and does nothing but block a lot of shots? To me the answer is it depends on the circumstance and his actual effect on the defense and no.

From what I have seen over the years voters for these awards give a lot more value to scoring than.any other stat.

HUPride really bringing it to these boards with post #2!

I might give Knight this season POY over JWF last season, but not over JWF this season.

Riller could graduate with the second most points in CAA history behind David Robinson without winning POY. Robinson graduated in 1987. JWF is 40 points behind Devon Saddler. If JWF passes Saddler (JWF will as long as he plays), Hofstra will have the top three CAA players in career points who played after Robinson, but Riller could pass Jenkins, Agudio, and JWF next season. The only players to make the First Team three times without winning POY are Navy's Vernon Butler from 1983-1984 through 1985-1986 and William & Mary's Keith Cieplicki from 1982-1983 through 1984-1985. Butler was teammates with Robinson.

(03-01-2019 03:52 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  HUPride really bringing it to these boards with post #2!

HUPride, HUSID 74 on the Hofstra boards, is the highest ranked poster there.

Had to jump in here as there has been virtually NO VOICE for Pride around here.

And while I'm at it Eli Pemberton should be on the second team. He has had an excellent year.

(03-03-2019 08:58 AM)HUPride Wrote:  And while I'm at it Eli Pemberton should be on the second team. He has had an excellent year.

Without making my own teams now, I would say these guys are better than Pemberton:

Pusica
Wright-Foreman
Carter
Knight
Pierce
Cacok
Seibring
Brantley
Riller

That's 9. In order to be in the Second Team, I would need to rank Pemberton above Demir, Fobbs, Mosley, and Santa Ana. Harper and Lewis are poor shooters. Roland is a good shooters, but his rebounds and assists are worse than Pemberton. Gresham's rebounds and assists are better than Roland, but Gresham shoots worse and averages 10.1 points, and it's hard to make a CAA team with only 10.1. Cylla doesn't well, doesn't get many rebounds for a starting forward, and has only 18 assists. I'm not going to take Toews, Wynter, or Buie, who specialize in assists. Toews doesn't well. Wynter and Buie shoot okay but not great. Wynter averages 4.5 rebounds, which is good for a guard, but averaging 11.2 points and ranking fourth on a bad team isn't enough. I'm also not taking great rebounders who shoot well but not often. Jacquil Taylor averages 8.2 points and 8.6 rebounds while shooting .717. Butler averages 10.1 and 8.1 while shooting .593. Wilson averages 9.8 and 7.8 while shooting .585. Green averages 9.0 and 5.3 while shooting .679.

TLDR: I'd be okay with him on the Second Team or Third Team. If he's not on any team, or if he's on the Third Team and somebody like Harper who I think is clearly worse is on the Second Team, I'll be mad.