(02-25-2019 02:53 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I realize a lot of guys think she is hot, but my bet is this boyfriend of hers is getting no action.

Oh---I suspect he's getting action. I also question whether the high maintenance crap he probably has to deal with is worth the action. If you ever seen High Fidelity---I have a feeling she is like John Cusaks ex-girlfriend "Charlie" in the film. Below is the scene where he figures out how flawed she really is.

I am actually starting to feel sorry for her. She is skipping way too many steps and taking on the wrong people (even in her own party).

- None of her ideas contain any viable way to accomplish the goal
- Her grandstanding presser with one of the least accomplished long term senators in history bought her just enough mileage that some of her fellow Dems kinda had to go along with it, only to have backpedal and dumb it down to a more realistic "idea"
- She is being mocked by many of her peers including Madame Speaker
- Now she is blasting Feinstein who is probably not one you would choose to pick your first political fight with
- She is almost (single hand) splitting her own party in two
- This new thing about her personal residence is going to kick her in the arse if she doesn't get ahead of it
- He own constituents and the NYC Mayor are now pissed because of this Amazon deal not to mention the residential thing noted previous
- She [very clearly] has no clue how taxes work (see amazon deal)
- She clearly has little clue how politics work in general given some of her multiple missteps in trying to explain how she thinks things work
- Her vocabulary is not much better than that of a 16 year old girl
- She really truly believes that you can just print money to pay for everything

She is literally a car accident - you cannot go by without slowing down to see what she says or does.... When you think she can't possibly do something any dumber, she manages to move that bar even higher and usually with great ease.....

(02-25-2019 04:04 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I am actually starting to feel sorry for her. She is skipping way too many steps and taking on the wrong people (even in her own party).

- None of her ideas contain any viable way to accomplish the goal
- Her grandstanding presser with one of the least accomplished long term senators in history bought her just enough mileage that some of her fellow Dems kinda had to go along with it, only to have backpedal and dumb it down to a more realistic "idea"
- She is being mocked by many of her peers including Madame Speaker
- Now she is blasting Feinstein who is probably not one you would choose to pick your first political fight with
- She is almost (single hand) splitting her own party in two
- This new thing about her personal residence is going to kick her in the arse if she doesn't get ahead of it
- He own constituents and the NYC Mayor are now pissed because of this Amazon deal not to mention the residential thing noted previous
- She [very clearly] has no clue how taxes work (see amazon deal)
- She clearly has little clue how politics work in general given some of her multiple missteps in trying to explain how she thinks things work
- Her vocabulary is not much better than that of a 16 year old girl
- She really truly believes that you can just print money to pay for everything

She is literally a car accident - you cannot go by without slowing down to see what she says or does.... When you think she can't possibly do something any dumber, she manages to move that bar even higher and usually with great ease.....

I have zero sympathy. Arrogant people deserve no sympathy.

I can't help but think of the movie Idiocracy when IDIOTS like AOC speak.

(02-25-2019 03:45 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 03:43 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 03:08 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 03:03 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  What about what I said indicates anything about my beliefs on overpopulation and birth rates?

If we don't get birth rates up, the social safety net ponzi schemes are going to collapse.

That's 1 reason leftists want immigration from Africa and Asia to Europe and the US, which is diametrically opposed to muh climate change, as you are taking people from countries that have ~0 metric tons per capita of carbon emissions, and placing them in countries with 15-20 metric tons per capita of carbon emissions.

If this was meant to be a response to my question, I'm not seeing a connection between my question and your response.

You originally said that you didn’t see what was crazy about AOC’s thoughts progression.

It’s because you don’t understand the issues, so you don’t see where and how she is contradicting herself.

So if you were in her shoes and believed the world was going to end in 12 years, you would demonstrate your impeccable logic and understanding of the issues by encouraging people to have more kids in order to save social security?

I can't say that not a bold strategy.

Again, this is the right thing to be talking about if you want to reduce man's impact on the environment

(02-25-2019 03:03 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 02:31 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 01:11 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  I clicked on this thread because I wanted to see what really dumb thing AOC said, but I don't really see what is crazy about this thought progression.

If you believe that climate change is causing worse natural disasters, then more people will die if you don't make changes. Seems logical according to the premise.

Then she says that young people are having questions about having kids, which again, seems like a legitimate concern if you believe that overpopulation is a contributing factor and life will be more difficult for the next generation.

I don't agree with her climate doomsday beliefs, but none of what was in the article seemed crazy or illogical.

You don't appear to understand how lower birth rates hurt us.

What about what I said indicates anything about my beliefs on overpopulation and birth rates?

maybe it was the part where you said this: "none of what was in the article seemed crazy or illogical".

(02-25-2019 05:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 04:04 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I am actually starting to feel sorry for her. She is skipping way too many steps and taking on the wrong people (even in her own party).

- None of her ideas contain any viable way to accomplish the goal
- Her grandstanding presser with one of the least accomplished long term senators in history bought her just enough mileage that some of her fellow Dems kinda had to go along with it, only to have backpedal and dumb it down to a more realistic "idea"
- She is being mocked by many of her peers including Madame Speaker
- Now she is blasting Feinstein who is probably not one you would choose to pick your first political fight with
- She is almost (single hand) splitting her own party in two
- This new thing about her personal residence is going to kick her in the arse if she doesn't get ahead of it
- He own constituents and the NYC Mayor are now pissed because of this Amazon deal not to mention the residential thing noted previous
- She [very clearly] has no clue how taxes work (see amazon deal)
- She clearly has little clue how politics work in general given some of her multiple missteps in trying to explain how she thinks things work
- Her vocabulary is not much better than that of a 16 year old girl
- She really truly believes that you can just print money to pay for everything

She is literally a car accident - you cannot go by without slowing down to see what she says or does.... When you think she can't possibly do something any dumber, she manages to move that bar even higher and usually with great ease.....

I have zero sympathy. Arrogant people deserve no sympathy.

I cannot muster one single give-a-damn about her or her plans.

(02-25-2019 05:31 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 03:45 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 03:43 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 03:08 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 03:03 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  What about what I said indicates anything about my beliefs on overpopulation and birth rates?

If we don't get birth rates up, the social safety net ponzi schemes are going to collapse.

That's 1 reason leftists want immigration from Africa and Asia to Europe and the US, which is diametrically opposed to muh climate change, as you are taking people from countries that have ~0 metric tons per capita of carbon emissions, and placing them in countries with 15-20 metric tons per capita of carbon emissions.

If this was meant to be a response to my question, I'm not seeing a connection between my question and your response.

You originally said that you didn’t see what was crazy about AOC’s thoughts progression.

It’s because you don’t understand the issues, so you don’t see where and how she is contradicting herself.

So if you were in her shoes and believed the world was going to end in 12 years, you would demonstrate your impeccable logic and understanding of the issues by encouraging people to have more kids in order to save social security?

I can't say that not a bold strategy.

Just the fact that she thinks the world is going to end in 12 years and that we are going to ban air travel is enough to make any rational person discount anything she has to say, much less suggest that her logic is sound. That you can sympathize with her point of view calls your own seriousness into question IMO.

(02-25-2019 07:15 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 03:03 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 02:31 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 01:11 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  I clicked on this thread because I wanted to see what really dumb thing AOC said, but I don't really see what is crazy about this thought progression.

If you believe that climate change is causing worse natural disasters, then more people will die if you don't make changes. Seems logical according to the premise.

Then she says that young people are having questions about having kids, which again, seems like a legitimate concern if you believe that overpopulation is a contributing factor and life will be more difficult for the next generation.

I don't agree with her climate doomsday beliefs, but none of what was in the article seemed crazy or illogical.

You don't appear to understand how lower birth rates hurt us.

What about what I said indicates anything about my beliefs on overpopulation and birth rates?

maybe it was the part where you said this: "none of what was in the article seemed crazy or illogical".

I thought I was quite clear that it's not crazy or illogical if you have the same underlying beliefs as AOC.

(02-25-2019 07:21 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Just the fact that she thinks the world is going to end in 12 years and that we are going to ban air travel is enough to make any rational person discount anything she has to say, much less suggest that her logic is sound. That you can sympathize with her point of view calls your own seriousness into question IMO.

See my last post

Okay, she is coming out as a scary dingbat. She needs to be primarried out in the next election.

(02-25-2019 01:11 PM)VA49er Wrote:  lol, hopefully she starts with herself.

Dude, why are you hating on horses?

(02-25-2019 02:31 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 01:11 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  I clicked on this thread because I wanted to see what really dumb thing AOC said, but I don't really see what is crazy about this thought progression.

If you believe that climate change is causing worse natural disasters, then more people will die if you don't make changes. Seems logical according to the premise.

Then she says that young people are having questions about having kids, which again, seems like a legitimate concern if you believe that overpopulation is a contributing factor and life will be more difficult for the next generation.

I don't agree with her climate doomsday beliefs, but none of what was in the article seemed crazy or illogical.

You don't appear to understand how lower birth rates hurt us.

Ats doesn't care about facts. He must white knight everything left......like the "independent centrist" he is.

(02-25-2019 09:42 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Ats doesn't care about facts. He must white knight everything left......

This is addressed in post #30. If you have a response to my post, I would be happy to respond to that.

(02-25-2019 09:42 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  like the "independent centrist" he is.

How can you tell if someone is an independent centrist? Let's have a discussion about it and see if I meet your criteria.

(02-25-2019 10:05 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  How can you tell if someone is an independent centrist? Let's have a discussion about it and see if I meet your criteria.

I apologize for speaking for my friend Kaplony, but I would describe an "independent centrist" as someone who thinks for himself/herself, rather than adhering to a particular party agenda, and as a result ends up advocating some policies that one party/side supports, other policies that the other party/side supports, and probably some policies that neither party/side supports.

(02-25-2019 10:05 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 09:42 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Ats doesn't care about facts. He must white knight everything left......

This is addressed in post #30. If you have a response to my post, I would be happy to respond to that.

No it wasn't. Just because you repeated her illogical thought process doesn't make it less of an idiotic statement.

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(02-25-2019 09:42 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  like the "independent centrist" he is.

How can you tell if someone is an independent centrist? Let's have a discussion about it and see if I meet your criteria.

One way is if they defend positions on both sides. You don't, and no your "abortion is bad" BS when you got called out last time doesn't count.

Point out one post on this board where you were anywhere near as critical to the left as you have been to the right. Should be simple right? What with you being a centrist independent and all the missteps the left has made recently.

(02-25-2019 07:23 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  I thought I was quite clear that it's not crazy or illogical if you have the same underlying beliefs as AOC.

But it's the underlying beliefs that are crazy and illogical.

(02-25-2019 07:23 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  I thought I was quite clear that it's not crazy or illogical if you have the same underlying beliefs as AOC.

(02-25-2019 10:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 07:23 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  I thought I was quite clear that it's not crazy or illogical if you have the same underlying beliefs as AOC.

But it's the underlying beliefs that are crazy and illogical.

That may be, but I never argued the merit of the underlying belief. I was merely responding to the article and saying that it wasn't telling us a new crazy belief about AOC. She didn't say that people shouldn't reproduce. She just said that people who share her beliefs had questions about whether they should have kids if things will be harder for them and it potentially exacerbates the problems.