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(02-22-2019 11:59 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 10:30 AM)monarx Wrote:  Hey Coach, Do you think if we had hired Rhoades instead of JJ (like I had hoped we would do), would he have left ODU for VCU, or remained loyal to the Monarchs?

I think he would have stayed, but who knows?

I’m a fan of Rhoades but can see why we would never entertain the thought of hiring a coach who could potentially return to their first love/our arch rival. Never.

From an ODU fan perspective, Rhoades coming here and having success for a year or two, and then going north to Richmond would have been awful. A low blow of WWE proportions. It would have hurt like hell to have a chance at sustained success ripped away by our arch-rival.

But you have to admit, it might have made the front page of ESPN with today's focus on sensationalist stories. I seem to remember us and VCU being on an ESPN list of top rivalries in the country once upon a time. That saga would have been once for the books.

(02-20-2019 05:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 04:57 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 12:46 PM)fmrick Wrote:  Yes, our OOC SOS is currently....#2 in the country. I'd like to give the current staff all the credit for that, but some of the reasons for the schedule is that Will Wade is a master of figuring out how to schedule for the RPI. SOS, even using the new NET system, is still the same, so the same scheduling rules apply. You want to play the best teams in most any conference.

I think this post hits the nail on the head, as to why metrics don't always tell the whole story. I think Rick is right, Wade was a master at manipulating the metrics. I'm sorry, but I just don't believe the notion that VCU played the 2nd toughest non-conference schedule. Sure, they played a number of decent mid-major teams. But, realistically, what really good wins do they have? Temple on a neutral court?
I know their numbers are good, but look at their schedule. Do they have any good wins? @Texas is a win we'd all be proud of, but they aren't a great team by any stretch. What's the next best win? Hofstra at home, in OT? That's a fine win, but if they don't win the CAA Tourney, they don't get in the Big Dance. There just isn't a lot of meat on the bones.

I do agree that it is hard to understand how they are ranked ***that high.

Texas is best win. Hofstra, Temple, Dayton, and BG are top 100 wins. I honestly have no clue how BG and Hofstra are top 100 though.

They have loses to teams outside the top 100 in us, Charleston, and Rhode Island.

We're actually a top 50 win for them.

(02-25-2019 02:40 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 05:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 04:57 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 12:46 PM)fmrick Wrote:  Yes, our OOC SOS is currently....#2 in the country. I'd like to give the current staff all the credit for that, but some of the reasons for the schedule is that Will Wade is a master of figuring out how to schedule for the RPI. SOS, even using the new NET system, is still the same, so the same scheduling rules apply. You want to play the best teams in most any conference.

I think this post hits the nail on the head, as to why metrics don't always tell the whole story. I think Rick is right, Wade was a master at manipulating the metrics. I'm sorry, but I just don't believe the notion that VCU played the 2nd toughest non-conference schedule. Sure, they played a number of decent mid-major teams. But, realistically, what really good wins do they have? Temple on a neutral court?
I know their numbers are good, but look at their schedule. Do they have any good wins? @Texas is a win we'd all be proud of, but they aren't a great team by any stretch. What's the next best win? Hofstra at home, in OT? That's a fine win, but if they don't win the CAA Tourney, they don't get in the Big Dance. There just isn't a lot of meat on the bones.

I do agree that it is hard to understand how they are ranked ***that high.

Texas is best win. Hofstra, Temple, Dayton, and BG are top 100 wins. I honestly have no clue how BG and Hofstra are top 100 though.

They have loses to teams outside the top 100 in us, Charleston, and Rhode Island.

We're actually a top 50 win for them.

Im talking about using good metrics.

(02-25-2019 06:34 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 02:40 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 05:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 04:57 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 12:46 PM)fmrick Wrote:  Yes, our OOC SOS is currently....#2 in the country. I'd like to give the current staff all the credit for that, but some of the reasons for the schedule is that Will Wade is a master of figuring out how to schedule for the RPI. SOS, even using the new NET system, is still the same, so the same scheduling rules apply. You want to play the best teams in most any conference.

I think this post hits the nail on the head, as to why metrics don't always tell the whole story. I think Rick is right, Wade was a master at manipulating the metrics. I'm sorry, but I just don't believe the notion that VCU played the 2nd toughest non-conference schedule. Sure, they played a number of decent mid-major teams. But, realistically, what really good wins do they have? Temple on a neutral court?
I know their numbers are good, but look at their schedule. Do they have any good wins? @Texas is a win we'd all be proud of, but they aren't a great team by any stretch. What's the next best win? Hofstra at home, in OT? That's a fine win, but if they don't win the CAA Tourney, they don't get in the Big Dance. There just isn't a lot of meat on the bones.

I do agree that it is hard to understand how they are ranked ***that high.

Texas is best win. Hofstra, Temple, Dayton, and BG are top 100 wins. I honestly have no clue how BG and Hofstra are top 100 though.

They have loses to teams outside the top 100 in us, Charleston, and Rhode Island.

We're actually a top 50 win for them.

Im talking about using good metrics.

Uh, I think the NCAA's official metric is pretty good?

To compare Jones and a Rhodes is ludicrous. I’m sorry. Completely different situations. VCU has everything going for them. Only show in town. Better fan support. Better basketball conference. Much easier to schedule. Higher profile scheduling and national exposure. The highest profile non conference tournaments. Television and rivalries. More opportunities across the board.... the A10 is god aweful this year and Is still perceived to be much better. They have 6 out of 14 teams with a winning record.
Jones record against Rhodes is like 8-2 btw. Not that it matters... people are going to say he did some great job at Rice. What was Rices best finish in CUSA while he was there??? 8th place.
He got that job through connections and is extremely fortunate. Not sure how much he did to really earn it to be honest with you. He took advantage of the fact that everyone at VCU succeeds soo quickly that power 5 programs come calling. Anyone notice a trend???? It’s not the coach, it’s the program. Ask Shaka, or Grant, or Capel. All crushed at VCU. Will Wade is a cheater so he doesn’t count... lol. So Rhodes took a terrible program to mediocre basically. A ton of people would succeed with that VCU program. I guess this is a good chance for certain people to say “look I told u how great a coach Rhodes was” I live in Richmond and can see it up close. Every coach they’ve had the last 20 years has been very successful. Give me an freaking break.

This was on their boards.

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(02-25-2019 11:25 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  To compare Jones and a Rhodes is ludicrous. I’m sorry. Completely different situations. VCU has everything going for them. Only show in town. Better fan support. Better basketball conference. Much easier to schedule. Higher profile scheduling and national exposure. The highest profile non conference tournaments. Television and rivalries. More opportunities across the board.... the A10 is god aweful this year and Is still perceived to be much better. They have 6 out of 14 teams with a winning record.
Jones record against Rhodes is like 8-2 btw. Not that it matters... people are going to say he did some great job at Rice. What was Rices best finish in CUSA while he was there??? 8th place.
He got that job through connections and is extremely fortunate. Not sure how much he did to really earn it to be honest with you. He took advantage of the fact that everyone at VCU succeeds soo quickly that power 5 programs come calling. Anyone notice a trend???? It’s not the coach, it’s the program. Ask Shaka, or Grant, or Capel. All crushed at VCU. Will Wade is a cheater so he doesn’t count... lol. So Rhodes took a terrible program to mediocre basically. A ton of people would succeed with that VCU program. I guess this is a good chance for certain people to say “look I told u how great a coach Rhodes was” I live in Richmond and can see it up close. Every coach they’ve had the last 20 years has been very successful. Give me an freaking break.

So he deserves no credit for turning rice around and no credit for turning vcu around lol.

Makes total sense.

Btw rice finished 5th rhoades last season there, not 8th. They finished one game behind us.

They finished last in CUSA the previous 2 years in a row before he was hired. They went 1-14 and 2-15.

His first year they went 8-10 and his last year they went 11-7.

After winning 3 combined games the previous 2 years and the coach getting fired. Rice was an absolute dumpster fire when he took over and he made them respectable.

Vcu had lost 6-7 contributors last year and within 1 season, he already has them back in at large contention.

Meanwhile jones went 10-20 his last season at American and was on the hot seat and he’s yet to make the ncaa at odu.

But yeah, there’s really no comparison lol.

I think Rhodes would have left ODU and been up 64 faster than a speeding bullet! My faith bubble in coaches staying was burst when Purnell was in Dayton before we could blink. And, he was a former star Monarch!

(02-26-2019 12:09 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 11:25 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  To compare Jones and a Rhodes is ludicrous. I’m sorry. Completely different situations. VCU has everything going for them. Only show in town. Better fan support. Better basketball conference. Much easier to schedule. Higher profile scheduling and national exposure. The highest profile non conference tournaments. Television and rivalries. More opportunities across the board.... the A10 is god aweful this year and Is still perceived to be much better. They have 6 out of 14 teams with a winning record.
Jones record against Rhodes is like 8-2 btw. Not that it matters... people are going to say he did some great job at Rice. What was Rices best finish in CUSA while he was there??? 8th place.
He got that job through connections and is extremely fortunate. Not sure how much he did to really earn it to be honest with you. He took advantage of the fact that everyone at VCU succeeds soo quickly that power 5 programs come calling. Anyone notice a trend???? It’s not the coach, it’s the program. Ask Shaka, or Grant, or Capel. All crushed at VCU. Will Wade is a cheater so he doesn’t count... lol. So Rhodes took a terrible program to mediocre basically. A ton of people would succeed with that VCU program. I guess this is a good chance for certain people to say “look I told u how great a coach Rhodes was” I live in Richmond and can see it up close. Every coach they’ve had the last 20 years has been very successful. Give me an freaking break.

So he deserves no credit for turning rice around and no credit for turning vcu around lol.

Makes total sense.

Btw rice finished 5th rhoades last season there, not 8th. They finished one game behind us.

They finished last in CUSA the previous 2 years in a row before he was hired. They went 1-14 and 2-15.

His first year they went 8-10 and his last year they went 11-7.

After winning 3 combined games the previous 2 years and the coach getting fired. Rice was an absolute dumpster fire when he took over and he made them respectable.

Vcu had lost 6-7 contributors last year and within 1 season, he already has them back in at large contention.

Meanwhile jones went 10-20 his last season at American and was on the hot seat and he’s yet to make the ncaa at odu.

But yeah, there’s really no comparison lol.

“Turning VCU around” Delusional as always. They missed the ncaa for one freaking year and it was a complete rebuild job. Haha. Their recruiting never dipped. They’ve been signing 3 star and 4 star players all along. Rice finished better than 8th once. Still lost in the quarterfinals every year. Complete trash. Sorry but he didn’t do **** to earn that job.
Jones takes over a 5 win team and Rhodes takes over a team that went to 7 straight NCAAs or whatever. Haha. Yeah that’s apples to apples alright. Lol. Are u for real?

What a circle jerk thread this is for VCU within our own Monarch Nation.

Brilliant.

(02-26-2019 01:04 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 12:09 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 11:25 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  To compare Jones and a Rhodes is ludicrous. I’m sorry. Completely different situations. VCU has everything going for them. Only show in town. Better fan support. Better basketball conference. Much easier to schedule. Higher profile scheduling and national exposure. The highest profile non conference tournaments. Television and rivalries. More opportunities across the board.... the A10 is god aweful this year and Is still perceived to be much better. They have 6 out of 14 teams with a winning record.
Jones record against Rhodes is like 8-2 btw. Not that it matters... people are going to say he did some great job at Rice. What was Rices best finish in CUSA while he was there??? 8th place.
He got that job through connections and is extremely fortunate. Not sure how much he did to really earn it to be honest with you. He took advantage of the fact that everyone at VCU succeeds soo quickly that power 5 programs come calling. Anyone notice a trend???? It’s not the coach, it’s the program. Ask Shaka, or Grant, or Capel. All crushed at VCU. Will Wade is a cheater so he doesn’t count... lol. So Rhodes took a terrible program to mediocre basically. A ton of people would succeed with that VCU program. I guess this is a good chance for certain people to say “look I told u how great a coach Rhodes was” I live in Richmond and can see it up close. Every coach they’ve had the last 20 years has been very successful. Give me an freaking break.

So he deserves no credit for turning rice around and no credit for turning vcu around lol.

Makes total sense.

Btw rice finished 5th rhoades last season there, not 8th. They finished one game behind us.

They finished last in CUSA the previous 2 years in a row before he was hired. They went 1-14 and 2-15.

His first year they went 8-10 and his last year they went 11-7.

After winning 3 combined games the previous 2 years and the coach getting fired. Rice was an absolute dumpster fire when he took over and he made them respectable.

Vcu had lost 6-7 contributors last year and within 1 season, he already has them back in at large contention.

Meanwhile jones went 10-20 his last season at American and was on the hot seat and he’s yet to make the ncaa at odu.

But yeah, there’s really no comparison lol.

“Turning VCU around” Delusional as always. They missed the ncaa for one freaking year and it was a complete rebuild job. Haha. Their recruiting never dipped. They’ve been signing 3 star and 4 star players all along. Rice finished better than 8th once. Still lost in the quarterfinals every year. Complete trash. Sorry but he didn’t do **** to earn that job.
Jones takes over a 5 win team and Rhodes takes over a team that went to 7 straight NCAAs or whatever. Haha. Yeah that’s apples to apples alright. Lol. Are u for real?

Good points. The A10 is terrible this year so VCU took advantage of that. I'll take Jones over Rhoades any day. And I am not that big of a Jones fan.

Yall want to give VCU and all asshats associated some recognition?

How about Will Wade and Sean Miller being served subpoenas for the college basketball bribery fraud case.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...tion-trial

Way to go dirtbags!

Its kinda funny the same people that claim that ODU was better than 5 wins and Jeff Jones had it easy are the same ones claiming VCU was a complete rebuild.

VCU SUX!

(02-28-2019 02:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  VCU SUX!

What he said.

(02-28-2019 02:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-28-2019 02:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  VCU SUX!

What he said.

/end thread

"To compare Jones and a Rhodes is ludicrous. I’m sorry. Completely different situations. VCU has everything going for them. Only show in town. Better fan support. Better basketball conference. Much easier to schedule. Higher profile scheduling and national exposure. The highest profile non conference tournaments. Television and rivalries. More opportunities across the board.... the A10 is god aweful this year and Is still perceived to be much better. They have 6 out of 14 teams with a winning record. "

ODU has everything going for it. We're also the only show in town. Even more so really, because they have UR in their backyard while we have NSU/HU. Used to have equal fan support when we were going to the NCAAs and were in the same basketball conference. Had the same profile, tournaments and we are their biggest rival. I think they are very, very similar situations. The only difference is our AD/Coach and our conference. And conference affiliation isn't the coaches fault, that falls squarely on the AD and President. There is absolutely no reason ODU should not be equal to if not better than VCU. Football was supposed to increase exposure, make it a more attractive place to recruit athletes and students, and get us on TV and into a higher profile conference. Why hasn't it worked out that way?

(02-26-2019 07:34 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  What a circle jerk thread this is for VCU within our own Monarch Nation.

Brilliant.

Lion's Den turned out a lot better than Monarch Nation IMO

(02-28-2019 04:48 PM)monarx Wrote:  "To compare Jones and a Rhodes is ludicrous. I’m sorry. Completely different situations. VCU has everything going for them. Only show in town. Better fan support. Better basketball conference. Much easier to schedule. Higher profile scheduling and national exposure. The highest profile non conference tournaments. Television and rivalries. More opportunities across the board.... the A10 is god aweful this year and Is still perceived to be much better. They have 6 out of 14 teams with a winning record. "

ODU has everything going for it. We're also the only show in town. Even more so really, because they have UR in their backyard while we have NSU/HU. Used to have equal fan support when we were going to the NCAAs and were in the same basketball conference. Had the same profile, tournaments and we are their biggest rival. I think they are very, very similar situations. The only difference is our AD/Coach and our conference. And conference affiliation isn't the coaches fault, that falls squarely on the AD and President. There is absolutely no reason ODU should not be equal to if not better than VCU. Football was supposed to increase exposure, make it a more attractive place to recruit athletes and students, and get us on TV and into a higher profile conference. Why hasn't it worked out that way?

Spot on. Those who think VCU has built in advantages are selling ODU short just to rationalize the lot we are currently in. There is absolutely no reason that we should not be competing at the same level as them as a program.