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You think Jeff Jones Has it Bad?
I thought Blaine coached a solid game. Maybe slightly outcoached, but it was Brad Stevens and we played well enough to win. Result sucked, but I didn't blame Blaine. Blaine's worst year other than 5-25 was the 06 team. Inexcusable that team didn't go anywhere after returning the whole team the year before. GMU made the F4 and we were in the NIT.

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(02-22-2019 08:47 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(02-22-2019 07:59 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  ODU's AD interviewing a HC candidate. Yea we fired the last coach, had 50 wins the last two seasons, won the league regular season, beat a ranked ACC team on the road. He graduated good young men, hasn't had, any problems with NCAA, while fighting cancer. We expect more. An AD, like most bosses uses a score card/metrics in reviewing their employees. We'll have a very tough time hiring a new coach, if you fired JJ this year. No up and coming young assistance, would take that chance. So you get someone else who's been around the game.

So as long as he puts up good win totals (that are ultimately meaningless) and wins 1 CUSA regular season championship and no ncaa tourney every 6 years, he gets a lifetime pass too?

Give me a break.

And there are plenty of young hungry assistants who’d want double their pay and a chance to coach a program like odu, that’s a joke that you think we’d have trouble bringing in our own keatts or rhoades because we let go of a coach who couldn’t make the ncaa tourney or win the conference championship.

I agree winning the regular season championship is a definite step in the right direction (he needs to get this done), but this is the best chance we’ve had to make the ncaa tourney because the league is down this year. If he can’t do it now, he’s not gonna do it, period.

The win totals are a joke, much like they were last year, when they were exaggerated by an awful SOS.
You do remember we were up 2 with under a minute to go to get to the NCAA tournament.
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RE: You think Jeff Jones Has it Bad?
(02-22-2019 10:08 PM)ODU2003 Wrote:  
(02-22-2019 07:20 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  I’ve supported JJ since day 1. No I won’t clamor for his firing like some on here. But if they don’t make the NCAAs this year I’ll be done defending him.

My only issue with this mindset is that we absolutely should have gone to the NCAA’s in 2015 - we clearly had a better resume than other teams that made it (USC was one if I remember correctly). ODU did everything right that year and should have checked the box of going to the tournament. Instead we had a great NIT run. So if the knock on JJ is not making it I’d think the objective perspective is we absolutely deserved to go one year.

Now we also had a close call one year (2017?) when we lost to MTSU in the conference finals by 2 but that was more getting hot and less legitimate. Nonetheless that’s twice in 6 years we have been very close and the team seems to keep improving. So yes we’ve missed but the team should have gone, it keeps getting better and JJ runs a clean program. I’d have to say the future looks bright with Godwin, Wade, X, Ezikpe, Kithhart,Dickens and the transfer from Clemson.

So yeah I’m with everyone that we should have gone by now but just checking an effing box seems like an over simplification.

Well said - this is another year where we “should” make the dance, but we shall see how the cards ultimately fall. The swift do not always win the race/tournament - Middle can attest to last year’s CUSAT.
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(02-22-2019 04:08 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
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(02-22-2019 11:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Jones doesn't have it bad. He just has a couple posters that are outspoken. The majority of fans (and people that matter) love him.

Maybe the people in the administration love him, but I think its quite an exaggeration to think most fans love his coaching. And if the admin love his coaching, then they must have given up. The fan base has higher expectations than one NIT bid in 6 years. I think a majority of fans are ready for a coaching change if he doesnt make the NCAA this year. Doesnt mean he sucks, he's just not good enough for a team as good as ODU should be. Doesnt even mean he hasn't improved recruiting. I think he has. Doesnt mean they don't like him, but at some point you have to cut your losses. This is the longest dry spell in ODU history. That said, I hope he makes the tournament this season and quiets the unrest.

I think the biggest difference that people seem not to WANT to account for is that the CAA was a multi bid league. You didn't have to win the CAA tourney to have a legitimate shot at an at-large bid. Also take into consideration mid majors just aren't getting at larges for whatever reason.

That being said, this is the best team to have the chance to win the CUSA tourney. While I hope it all comes together this year, I am not quite ready to say pull the plug on Jones and co without seeing how everything plays out. For me a regular season title and let's say a close lose in the CUSA championship game would have me in the one more year camp, but a first round exit from the tourney has me in the let's look at who is out there and available.

However, whenever the time comes to hire a new coach, ODU administration has to be willing to spend 700k+

I think what you are not accounting for is the fact that we only got 1 at large bid in CAA. The current difficulty of getting at large bids is not the reason we are getting to the tournament less (none).

Are you saying that ODU only got one at large bid or the CAA only got one at large bid?

Because there is a difference between being in an one bid conference (CUSA) and being in a conference that gets multi bids (a-10)
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I think Jeff has done an outstanding job this year with the exception of a few games. I am desperately rooting for him to get this team over the hump.

Does anyone have any theories regarding papa Stith? Does he look for a better opportunity now that his kids are gone after this year? Is he our next coach in waiting?
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(02-22-2019 09:44 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  
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(02-22-2019 04:22 PM)odu09 Wrote:  I'm not considering these as excuses, but they do provide some context for the longest NCAAT drought we've had. There are a few facts I'd like to just point out:

1. There's no doubt it's harder for mid-majors to obtain at-large bids these days. Mid-major life was much different 10 years ago.

2. C-USA is a harder league to win than CAA due to the top being quite good and the travel being hard. Not to mention they play the championship in an empty football arena.

CUSA is frequently a better basketball league than the CAA was, and at least equal most years. I also consider the A10 and MWC to be a upper level mid-major leagues, and they somehow manage to get multiple bids. Those two leagues should be our peers, our equals. Not ones CUSA looks up to. Not all of that is Jeff and Woods fault though. Much of CUSAs woes lie at the feet of Judy and terrible leadership at the conference level. I believe the issue is as much perception and exposure as it is actual play on the court. CUSA absolutely sucks in that regard.

The CAA had one thing that CUSA will never have. It had a sense of community. The true believers for each team could gather each year in a more or less central location to support their team and league without taking out a 2nd mortgage. CUSA is just too far flung for that to ever happen.

Unless I've miscounted this is our 6th year in CUSA. We had 22 in the CAA. What percentage of those tournaments have you attended? I bet there is a big difference.


We didn’t leave the old CAA. The explosive charges were set on it. VCU was bailing. Mason was in the shadows watching. Us in the current CAA would suck. The brotherhood and camaraderie that is reminisced about is no longer. The big brown dump is no longer. Time to create our new future. Not live in the great memories of what no longer exists.


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RE: You think Jeff Jones Has it Bad?
(02-22-2019 11:57 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
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(02-22-2019 11:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Jones doesn't have it bad. He just has a couple posters that are outspoken. The majority of fans (and people that matter) love him.

Maybe the people in the administration love him, but I think its quite an exaggeration to think most fans love his coaching. And if the admin love his coaching, then they must have given up. The fan base has higher expectations than one NIT bid in 6 years. I think a majority of fans are ready for a coaching change if he doesnt make the NCAA this year. Doesnt mean he sucks, he's just not good enough for a team as good as ODU should be. Doesnt even mean he hasn't improved recruiting. I think he has. Doesnt mean they don't like him, but at some point you have to cut your losses. This is the longest dry spell in ODU history. That said, I hope he makes the tournament this season and quiets the unrest.

I think the biggest difference that people seem not to WANT to account for is that the CAA was a multi bid league. You didn't have to win the CAA tourney to have a legitimate shot at an at-large bid. Also take into consideration mid majors just aren't getting at larges for whatever reason.

That being said, this is the best team to have the chance to win the CUSA tourney. While I hope it all comes together this year, I am not quite ready to say pull the plug on Jones and co without seeing how everything plays out. For me a regular season title and let's say a close lose in the CUSA championship game would have me in the one more year camp, but a first round exit from the tourney has me in the let's look at who is out there and available.

However, whenever the time comes to hire a new coach, ODU administration has to be willing to spend 700k+

I think what you are not accounting for is the fact that we only got 1 at large bid in CAA. The current difficulty of getting at large bids is not the reason we are getting to the tournament less (none).

Are you saying that ODU only got one at large bid or the CAA only got one at large bid?

Because there is a difference between being in an one bid conference (CUSA) and being in a conference that gets multi bids (a-10)

ODU only got one. How did the current difficulty of getting at large bids as a mid major account for the disparity, when only one of BT's bids was at large?
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(02-23-2019 08:42 AM)Big Bluezilla Wrote:  
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(02-22-2019 04:22 PM)odu09 Wrote:  I'm not considering these as excuses, but they do provide some context for the longest NCAAT drought we've had. There are a few facts I'd like to just point out:

1. There's no doubt it's harder for mid-majors to obtain at-large bids these days. Mid-major life was much different 10 years ago.

2. C-USA is a harder league to win than CAA due to the top being quite good and the travel being hard. Not to mention they play the championship in an empty football arena.

CUSA is frequently a better basketball league than the CAA was, and at least equal most years. I also consider the A10 and MWC to be a upper level mid-major leagues, and they somehow manage to get multiple bids. Those two leagues should be our peers, our equals. Not ones CUSA looks up to. Not all of that is Jeff and Woods fault though. Much of CUSAs woes lie at the feet of Judy and terrible leadership at the conference level. I believe the issue is as much perception and exposure as it is actual play on the court. CUSA absolutely sucks in that regard.

The CAA had one thing that CUSA will never have. It had a sense of community. The true believers for each team could gather each year in a more or less central location to support their team and league without taking out a 2nd mortgage. CUSA is just too far flung for that to ever happen.

Unless I've miscounted this is our 6th year in CUSA. We had 22 in the CAA. What percentage of those tournaments have you attended? I bet there is a big difference.


We didn’t leave the old CAA. The explosive charges were set on it. VCU was bailing. Mason was in the shadows watching. Us in the current CAA would suck. The brotherhood and camaraderie that is reminisced about is no longer. The big brown dump is no longer. Time to create our new future. Not live in the great memories of what no longer exists.


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Well said ...
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(02-23-2019 08:31 AM)ODU Hugh Wrote:  I think Jeff has done an outstanding job this year with the exception of a few games. I am desperately rooting for him to get this team over the hump.

Does anyone have any theories regarding papa Stith? Does he look for a better opportunity now that his kids are gone after this year? Is he our next coach in waiting?

He was a finalist for HC at UNC Asheville last year so I would think he will continue to look and will leave if he gets a HC job.
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(02-23-2019 08:56 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
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(02-22-2019 02:04 PM)monarx Wrote:  Maybe the people in the administration love him, but I think its quite an exaggeration to think most fans love his coaching. And if the admin love his coaching, then they must have given up. The fan base has higher expectations than one NIT bid in 6 years. I think a majority of fans are ready for a coaching change if he doesnt make the NCAA this year. Doesnt mean he sucks, he's just not good enough for a team as good as ODU should be. Doesnt even mean he hasn't improved recruiting. I think he has. Doesnt mean they don't like him, but at some point you have to cut your losses. This is the longest dry spell in ODU history. That said, I hope he makes the tournament this season and quiets the unrest.

I think the biggest difference that people seem not to WANT to account for is that the CAA was a multi bid league. You didn't have to win the CAA tourney to have a legitimate shot at an at-large bid. Also take into consideration mid majors just aren't getting at larges for whatever reason.

That being said, this is the best team to have the chance to win the CUSA tourney. While I hope it all comes together this year, I am not quite ready to say pull the plug on Jones and co without seeing how everything plays out. For me a regular season title and let's say a close lose in the CUSA championship game would have me in the one more year camp, but a first round exit from the tourney has me in the let's look at who is out there and available.

However, whenever the time comes to hire a new coach, ODU administration has to be willing to spend 700k+

I think what you are not accounting for is the fact that we only got 1 at large bid in CAA. The current difficulty of getting at large bids is not the reason we are getting to the tournament less (none).

Are you saying that ODU only got one at large bid or the CAA only got one at large bid?

Because there is a difference between being in an one bid conference (CUSA) and being in a conference that gets multi bids (a-10)

ODU only got one. How did the current difficulty of getting at large bids as a mid major account for the disparity, when only one of BT's bids was at large?

Without going back and looking at all the metrics, I feel like some of BT’s latter teams that would have been at-large worthy won the conference and tournament thus making the bids non existent. We definitely had more than 1 at-large worth team under BT, like I said we just swept shop those years too.
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(02-23-2019 08:56 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
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(02-22-2019 02:04 PM)monarx Wrote:  Maybe the people in the administration love him, but I think its quite an exaggeration to think most fans love his coaching. And if the admin love his coaching, then they must have given up. The fan base has higher expectations than one NIT bid in 6 years. I think a majority of fans are ready for a coaching change if he doesnt make the NCAA this year. Doesnt mean he sucks, he's just not good enough for a team as good as ODU should be. Doesnt even mean he hasn't improved recruiting. I think he has. Doesnt mean they don't like him, but at some point you have to cut your losses. This is the longest dry spell in ODU history. That said, I hope he makes the tournament this season and quiets the unrest.

I think the biggest difference that people seem not to WANT to account for is that the CAA was a multi bid league. You didn't have to win the CAA tourney to have a legitimate shot at an at-large bid. Also take into consideration mid majors just aren't getting at larges for whatever reason.

That being said, this is the best team to have the chance to win the CUSA tourney. While I hope it all comes together this year, I am not quite ready to say pull the plug on Jones and co without seeing how everything plays out. For me a regular season title and let's say a close lose in the CUSA championship game would have me in the one more year camp, but a first round exit from the tourney has me in the let's look at who is out there and available.

However, whenever the time comes to hire a new coach, ODU administration has to be willing to spend 700k+

I think what you are not accounting for is the fact that we only got 1 at large bid in CAA. The current difficulty of getting at large bids is not the reason we are getting to the tournament less (none).

Are you saying that ODU only got one at large bid or the CAA only got one at large bid?

Because there is a difference between being in an one bid conference (CUSA) and being in a conference that gets multi bids (a-10)

ODU only got one. How did the current difficulty of getting at large bids as a mid major account for the disparity, when only one of BT's bids was at large?

I am talking about the leagues as a whole, CUSA is not a multi bid league. I believe that goes back to when memphis was king, the only time they were multi bid was if Memphis didn’t win the tournament championship

I didn’t follow ODU until the last three years of BT’s tenure so I can’t speak of the caliber of his teams, but during the years that ODU went dancing (minus their at large) would they have gotten an at large if they hadn’t won the tourney?

My point, which I am not sure how to make it clearer, that during ODU’s CAA Days, the CAA was a multi bid league, while the CUSA is not
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One year, the CAA was a three bid league. It was a 2 bid league a few times too. And several times ODU was good enough where if they didnt win the tourney they would have been in as an at-large, thus making it a two bid league.
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(02-22-2019 11:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Jones doesn't have it bad. He just has a couple posters that are outspoken. The majority of fans (and people that matter) love him.

Maybe the people in the administration love him, but I think its quite an exaggeration to think most fans love his coaching. And if the admin love his coaching, then they must have given up. The fan base has higher expectations than one NIT bid in 6 years. I think a majority of fans are ready for a coaching change if he doesnt make the NCAA this year. Doesnt mean he sucks, he's just not good enough for a team as good as ODU should be. Doesnt even mean he hasn't improved recruiting. I think he has. Doesnt mean they don't like him, but at some point you have to cut your losses. This is the longest dry spell in ODU history. That said, I hope he makes the tournament this season and quiets the unrest.

He's had 96 wins over the last 4 years. I'll take that every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Just sayin'
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(02-23-2019 02:07 PM)monarx Wrote:  One year, the CAA was a three bid league. It was a 2 bid league a few times too. And several times ODU was good enough where if they didnt win the tourney they would have been in as an at-large, thus making it a two bid league.

Id have to go look, but I dont think we were at large worthy more than twice and we got extremely lucky with 3 bids.
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(02-23-2019 04:50 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  
(02-22-2019 02:04 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(02-22-2019 11:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Jones doesn't have it bad. He just has a couple posters that are outspoken. The majority of fans (and people that matter) love him.

Maybe the people in the administration love him, but I think its quite an exaggeration to think most fans love his coaching. And if the admin love his coaching, then they must have given up. The fan base has higher expectations than one NIT bid in 6 years. I think a majority of fans are ready for a coaching change if he doesnt make the NCAA this year. Doesnt mean he sucks, he's just not good enough for a team as good as ODU should be. Doesnt even mean he hasn't improved recruiting. I think he has. Doesnt mean they don't like him, but at some point you have to cut your losses. This is the longest dry spell in ODU history. That said, I hope he makes the tournament this season and quiets the unrest.

He's had 96 wins over the last 4 years. I'll take that every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Just sayin'

I agree, and his teams, until this point, have continued to improve. no backsliding or rebuilding seasons, they are consistently good and getting better each year.
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The closer he gets to the dance, the higher the expectations and the greater the dissapointment if he falters.
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(02-22-2019 07:59 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  ODU's AD interviewing a HC candidate. Yea we fired the last coach, had 50 wins the last two seasons, won the league regular season, beat a ranked ACC team on the road. He graduated good young men, hasn't had, any problems with NCAA, while fighting cancer. We expect more. An AD, like most bosses uses a score card/metrics in reviewing their employees. We'll have a very tough time hiring a new coach, if you fired JJ this year. No up and coming young assistance, would take that chance. So you get someone else who's been around the game.

Really...Could you see us trying to shop that stuff around? Unfortunately people don't think!! We're damn lucky to have the caliber of coach like Jeff Jones. Brought instant stability to the program. And he's put us in a position to win it all multiple times. Not the coaches fault we haven't performed to expectations.
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(02-23-2019 05:09 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  
(02-22-2019 07:59 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  ODU's AD interviewing a HC candidate. Yea we fired the last coach, had 50 wins the last two seasons, won the league regular season, beat a ranked ACC team on the road. He graduated good young men, hasn't had, any problems with NCAA, while fighting cancer. We expect more. An AD, like most bosses uses a score card/metrics in reviewing their employees. We'll have a very tough time hiring a new coach, if you fired JJ this year. No up and coming young assistance, would take that chance. So you get someone else who's been around the game.

Really...Could you see us trying to shop that stuff around? Unfortunately people don't think!! We're damn lucky to have the caliber of coach like Jeff Jones. Brought instant stability to the program. And he's put us in a position to win it all multiple times. Not the coaches fault we haven't performed to expectations.

Yes......when you don’t perform, that is on the coach.

That’s his actual, literal job.....to get his players to perform when it MATTERS.

This mindset is astoundingly absurd.
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(02-23-2019 04:54 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-23-2019 02:07 PM)monarx Wrote:  One year, the CAA was a three bid league. It was a 2 bid league a few times too. And several times ODU was good enough where if they didnt win the tourney they would have been in as an at-large, thus making it a two bid league.

Id have to go look, but I dont think we were at large worthy more than twice and we got extremely lucky with 3 bids.

3 years.

06-07 with vv, dahi and drew and then both Gerald Lee, hassell, finney and baze teams would have received at larges.

They won back to back caa championships though and didn’t need them.

The 06-07 team was Blaine’s only at large, the year mason went to the final 4 I believe.
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RE: You think Jeff Jones Has it Bad?
(02-23-2019 04:50 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  
(02-22-2019 02:04 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(02-22-2019 11:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Jones doesn't have it bad. He just has a couple posters that are outspoken. The majority of fans (and people that matter) love him.

Maybe the people in the administration love him, but I think its quite an exaggeration to think most fans love his coaching. And if the admin love his coaching, then they must have given up. The fan base has higher expectations than one NIT bid in 6 years. I think a majority of fans are ready for a coaching change if he doesnt make the NCAA this year. Doesnt mean he sucks, he's just not good enough for a team as good as ODU should be. Doesnt even mean he hasn't improved recruiting. I think he has. Doesnt mean they don't like him, but at some point you have to cut your losses. This is the longest dry spell in ODU history. That said, I hope he makes the tournament this season and quiets the unrest.

He's had 96 wins over the last 4 years. I'll take that every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Just sayin'

What’s his record in the CUSA tourney because that’s the only real record that matters.
02-23-2019 06:12 PM
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