(02-21-2019 09:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 11:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 11:11 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Ohhh goodness sakes. Obama's first year was Bush's last budget. I forgot who I was dealing with. Look that one up Sparky.

Umm, no, it wasn't. The 2009 budget was signed by President ... Barack Obama.

Submitted by George W. Bush

Actually, the budget that was approved was not the budget submitted by GWB. The democrat-controlled congress would not approve the budget that he submitted and he would not sign the one that they would approve. So the government operated on continuing resolutions. The budget, with substantial changes from that submitted by GWB, was finally approved and signed by Obama in March 2009.

The Bush budget request called for a deficit of $400 trillion. The actual deficit was $1.4 trillion. The difference of approximately $1 trillion occurred because 1) tax revenues fell short of projections because of the recession, and 2) the democrats added about $400 billion in budgeted expenditures to what was in the Bush spending request.

(02-22-2019 09:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 09:24 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-21-2019 09:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 11:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 11:11 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Ohhh goodness sakes. Obama's first year was Bush's last budget. I forgot who I was dealing with. Look that one up Sparky.

Umm, no, it wasn't. The 2009 budget was signed by President ... Barack Obama.

Submitted by George W. Bush

Actually, the budget that was approved was not the budget submitted by GWB. The democrat-controlled congress would not approve the budget that he submitted and he would not sign the one that they would approve. So the government operated on continuing resolutions. The budget, with substantial changes from that submitted by GWB, was finally approved and signed by Obama in March 2009.

The Bush budget request called for a deficit of $400 trillion. The actual deficit was $1.4 trillion. The difference of approximately $1 trillion occurred because 1) tax revenues fell short of projections because of the recession, and 2) the democrats added about $400 billion in budgeted expenditures to what was in the Bush spending request.

Circular logic.

The 2009 budget belongs to GWB.

The $1T "Shovel Ready" stimulus that was given to companies like Solyndra belonged to Obama.

(02-22-2019 09:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Circular logic.
The 2009 budget belongs to GWB.

No. No, no no.

You're not an idiot, so why are you playing one on here?

The 2009 budget, as passed by congress and signed by President Obama, is not the 2009 budget request submitted by George W. Bush, and is in fact substantially and materially different.

It's like the situation if you proposed a law making abortion legal up to the date of actual birth, and someone else proposed an amendment making all abortions illegal, and the amendment passed, and the bill as amended passed. Would that mean that you wrote a bill that outlawed abortion?

(02-22-2019 02:49 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The United States federal budget for fiscal year 2009 began as a spending request submitted by President George W. Bush to the 110th Congress. The final resolution written and submitted by the 110th Congress to be forwarded to the President was approved by the House on June 5, 2008.

GWB did not sign that. It was forwarded to him, but he did not sign it. He cannot own something that he vetoed.

Quote:The government was initially funded through three temporary continuing resolutions. Final funding for the Department of Defense, Department of Homeland Security, and Department of Veterans Affairs was enacted on September 30, 2008 as part of the Consolidated Security, Disaster Assistance, and Continuing Appropriations Act, 2009, while the remaining departments and agencies were funded as part of an omnibus spending bill, the Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009, on March 10, 2009.[6]

Umm, who was president on March 10, 2009? Umm, if GWB signed the June 5, 2008, budget passed by congress, why did they need the September 30, 2008, and March 10, 2009, actions?

OK, so Defense, DHS, and Veterans Affairs were funded under Bush. The rest of the budget belongs to the democrat supermajorities in both houses of congress and Obama.

(02-22-2019 03:00 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I get it. Black Man Bad,,,, Chicago hustler.......
i got it. People disagree with you and to give ownership of the 2009 budget to Obama is hypocritical in my eyes. We will have to agree to disagree.

No, you don’t get it. Facts are facts. And the fact is that the 2009 budget, as enacted, and in particular the increased spending that increased the deficit, was more a product of democrats in Congress and President Obama than of GWB. It was not GWB’sbudget. The deficit would have grown in 2009 under GWB’s budget, because revenues decreased, but not to the level of the final 2009 deficit, or Obama’s budget deficits in 2010-2011. The 2009 deficit was supposedly because of spending to respond to the recession. But neither spending nor the deficit came back down after the recession was supposedly over—not until republicans retook the house in 2011.

Bottom line: I don’t like lies. And this idea that the 2009 budget was GWB’s is a 4-Pinocchio whopper.

(02-22-2019 03:32 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 03:00 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I get it. Black Man Bad,,,, Chicago hustler.......
i got it. People disagree with you and to give ownership of the 2009 budget to Obama is hypocritical in my eyes. We will have to agree to disagree.

No, you don’t get it. Facts are facts. And the fact is that the 2009 budget, as enacted, and in particular the increased spending that increased the deficit, was more a product of democrats in Congress and President Obama than of GWB. It was not GWB’sbudget. The deficit would have grown in 2009 under GWB’s budget, because revenues decreased, but not to the level of the final 2009 deficit, or Obama’s budget deficits in 2010-2011. The 2009 deficit was supposedly because of spending to respond to the recession. But neither spending nor the deficit came back down after the recession was supposedly over—not until republicans retook the house in 2011.

Bottom line: I don’t like lies. And this idea that the 2009 budget was GWB’s is a 4-Pinocchio whopper.

Owl, what do you expect, he's a Democrat. They lie...and lie...and lie...

(02-20-2019 08:37 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Guys...


Enough with the bs. What is Social Security? It's not capitalism and it's not communism. It's socialism. You knuckleheads who say we will never be a socialist country. We have been since the 30's and we are better for it. You guys need a reality slap upside the head. And before any knucklehead screeches "ponzi scheme", if the govt. didn't raid the trust fund it would be very healthy.

Get your life's together......... stop the insanity.

You’re touting a nearly bankrupt Ponzi scheme as something positive? Why do lefties think that the government taking your money and “investing” it is a good thing?