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RE: WCC vs MWC
(02-24-2019 09:31 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-24-2019 03:49 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-23-2019 01:58 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Mountain Athletic Conference (MAC)

Gonzaga
San Francisco
San Diego St
Hawaii
Boise St
UNLV
Grand Canyon
BYU
Colorado St
New Mexico
UTEP

11 for basketball (20 game schedule). Eight for football including champ in Sun Bowl. Eleven schools across 10 western states.

What has Grand Canyon done to be put in that company? At least USF has history.

Financially committed and playing in a major western media market.

Yet they don't move the needle much in the market, and what coverage they do get is 100% because of Jerry Colangelo and Dan Majerle - neither who will be around forever.
02-25-2019 10:35 AM
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RE: WCC vs MWC
An out-of-the-box idea would be for the WCC, MWC, WAC, Big West, and Big Sky to institute a couple rounds of bracket-buster type late-season NON-CONFERENCE matchups. The idea is to get a couple of extra at large teams from the western conferences into the post-season (NCAA and NIT) and give opportunities for better seeding - with great-win and good-loss opportunities for the contenders down the stretch. Participants must be ranked in the top-100 NET Ratings OR the top-team in their conference.

For instance,

Round 1:
- (37)Utah St. (MWC #2) at (1)Gonzaga (WCC #1)
- (18)Nevada (MWC #1) at (39)St. Mary's (WCC #2)
- (58)New Mexico St. (WAC #1) at (51)San Francisco (WCC #3)

- (83)BYU (WCC #4) at (89)Fresno St. (MWC #3)
- (79)GCU (WAC #2) at (92)UC Irvine (BW #1)
- (100)Utah Valley (WCC #3) at (106)Montana (Big Sky #1)

Round 2:
- (1)Gonzaga (WCC #1) at (18)Nevada (MWC #1)
- (39)St. Mary's (WCC #2) at (58)New Mexico St. (WAC #1)
- (51)San Francisco (WCC #3) at (37)Utah St. (MWC #2)

- (89) Fresno St. (MWC #3) at (79)GCU (WAC #2) at
- (92)UC Irvine (BW #1) at (100)Utah Valley (WAC #3)
- (106)Montana (Big Sky #1) at (83)BYU (WCC #4)

Right now, these 5 conferences are guaranteed 5 bids to the NCAA tournament - and none of them is anticipated to land any at large selections. So, why not try to get another couple of western teams in the tournament? One of St. Mary's, Utah St., or San Francisco could get a late OOC win or two to push them into the tournament. Or, New Mexico St. could secure itself an at large bid, if it were to be upset in the WAC tournament.

For the NIT, GCU, BYU, Fresno St., and Utah Valley could earn their way into the NIT. And, UC Irvine and Montana would have the potential to improve their NIT seeding if they were to be upset in the Big West or Big Sky conference tournaments.
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RE: WCC vs MWC
(02-24-2019 09:25 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-24-2019 12:39 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(02-22-2019 10:43 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Acting like a best of the west wouldn't be better than the current WCC is just silly.

Better probably, on a whiteboard. Better enough to regularly be a multi-bid league? Probably not. Later I might take a dive through wikipedia and count up the NCAA bids over the last 20 years of the programs you listed, and count up the No. 10-and-better-seed bids.

Quote: Creating a conference of schools committed to competing every year is the best way to go.

The NCAA rulebook is heavily tilted against the creation of new conferences. The Big EAst was allowed in 2012-13 because we were royalty, unfairly screwed over by the winds of realignment.

Quote:The top media markets in the west with the most quality programs not in a FB conference is the right answer for creating a league that can legitimately finish in the top 6-9 conferences every year. A conference that can on a yearly basis battle for the right to be called the best west coast BBall conference.

Top 9 conferences isn't good enough--these days only 7-8 conferences regularly get multiple bids. "Better than the MWC" isn't guaranteed, and also isn't going to cut it.

The Big East parallel is bad. To be a west coast version of the Big East, you'd need something like UCLA, UNLV, Arizona, SDSU, UNM, Gonzaga and Utah as a start. You're talking about a West Coast A-10. And since the East Coast A-10 is being squeezed out.....

You do know that would prove nothing since the leagues SOS would be improved right? Playing a higher level of competition is a sure fire way to get more bids and better seeds. For example look at the Big East before the conference was formed and after or at the teams who joined after the last split of the conference. Better seeds for X and Butler than when they were in the A-10 and Horizon. Yes, they could go a few years without an auto-bid but a conference with the Zags, BYU, New Mexico, St. Mary's and many other of the better west coast schools would easily get multiple bids a year.

Some interesting quotes from the Gonzaga Athletic Director in a recent article:

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/ja...-stop-gon/

“It was never, ‘Where can we continue to have success?’ ” Gonzaga athletic director Mike Roth said. “It was, ‘Where can we keep building on this success the best?’ And in our view, it was this league.”

Referring to the MWC, “They couldn’t tell us, ‘We can help you get to a Final Four,’ ” Roth said. “We were able to do that in the WCC, and believe we can continue to.”

“A lot of that was cooperation and support from our peers,” Roth said, referencing the league’s willingness to budge on matters from scheduling to revenue distribution, both past and future. “And in the end, we’re so similar, most of us.

“There’s really nobody like us in the Mountain West, not even Air Force.”

Gonzaga moved into the #1 ranking today. Gonzaga has won 18 straight games by an average of 31.3 points per game. They have beat BYU by 34 and 30 points, they have beat St. Mary's by 48 in their lone game against them. They just picked up another four star recruit yesterday. They are on a roll right now and it does not matter what conference they are in. And you want them to leave the WCC so they join some conference without an autobid to play the same teams they are crushing today? To lose millions of dollars? When they are already headed to a #1 seeding in the West, again? That would be monumentally stupid.
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RE: WCC vs MWC
Wichita State seemed to be on their way to becoming the Gonzaga of the MVC. They bolted for the AAC and are currently 13-13 in year 2 of AAC play. It's early and Wichita State may bounce back to being the force they were in the MVC, but things aren't necessarily always brighter on the other side. Gonzaga has a good thing going for them. Odds are they would still do very well in the MWC, but there is no point in disrupting something that has worked out well for them for the past 20 years.
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(02-25-2019 05:20 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Wichita State seemed to be on their way to becoming the Gonzaga of the MVC. They bolted for the AAC and are currently 13-13 in year 2 of AAC play. It's early and Wichita State may bounce back to being the force they were in the MVC, but things aren't necessarily always brighter on the other side. Gonzaga has a good thing going for them. Odds are they would still do very well in the MWC, but there is no point in disrupting something that has worked out well for them for the past 20 years.

Wichita State would have had a down season anyway, the only difference is they might have still gotten the MVC's auto bid. Moving to the AAC was absolutely the right call for Wichita and being in a larger conference with better institutional congruity and TV deals will benefit them going forward, even if they have the bad year or two.
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The WCC helping Gonzaga get to the Final 4 is a good laugh. I suppose if that means they can bench their starters at halftime for league games it makes sense. They just beat the second best team in the conference 94-46!

Currently, the WCC is 8th in RPI, one above the MAC, and they have the #1 team in the land to thank for that. If Gonzaga were in the MWC they would see the likes of Nevada, Utah St., and SDSU a “few” times each season; I doubt they’d be beating those teams by 40. The bottom third of the MWC is quite dreadful though.

Gonzaga reminds me of Majerus’ Utah teams of the late 90’s, albeit the Utes were in a stronger conference.
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The MWC has history with UNLV, UNM and USU being pretty good basketball schools.
They are decent sized schools roughly twenty five thousand student average.
They have arenas that are on average around 12-13,000 seats.

The WCC schools average ten thousand students and six thousand seat arenas. Take BYU out and its six thousand students and five thousand seat arenas. Yet the conferences have been fairly close over the last five years or so. Gonzaga would be eleventh in size with the ninth smallest arena in the MWC.
The MWC should be much better I picked these two because less competition exist in the West. Also MVC and A10 have both private and public schools. All things being equal privates outperform in basketball.
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RE: WCC vs MWC
(02-25-2019 10:35 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-24-2019 09:31 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-24-2019 03:49 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-23-2019 01:58 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Mountain Athletic Conference (MAC)

Gonzaga
San Francisco
San Diego St
Hawaii
Boise St
UNLV
Grand Canyon
BYU
Colorado St
New Mexico
UTEP

11 for basketball (20 game schedule). Eight for football including champ in Sun Bowl. Eleven schools across 10 western states.

What has Grand Canyon done to be put in that company? At least USF has history.

Financially committed and playing in a major western media market.

Yet they don't move the needle much in the market, and what coverage they do get is 100% because of Jerry Colangelo and Dan Majerle - neither who will be around forever.

Uhh....how about selling out the 7k arena regularly. On-campus enrollment getting towards 20k.
They already have made a splash in the PHX market.
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