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RE: UPDATE:Bama-born ISIS wife who told Americans to kill themselves, citizenship revoked
(02-21-2019 10:39 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 09:57 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 09:19 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Can a natural-born US citizen have his/her citizenship revoked against his/her will? I know a naturalized US citizen can through a process call denaturalization, but not sure about a natural-born US citizen. I guess we'll find out since this will definitely go to court, etc.

I thought I read where she wasn't a natural born citizen, maybe I'm wrong.

Her Dad was a foreign diplomat. Children of diplomats are not subject to US law so they are not granted citizenship, even if they're born in the USA.

But personally I think that joining a foreign military organization that has declared war on the USA should be grounds for getting your citizenship revoked.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware of the children of diplomats exception.
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RE: UPDATE:Bama-born ISIS wife who told Americans to kill themselves, citizenship revoked
(02-21-2019 11:57 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 10:39 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 09:57 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 09:19 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Can a natural-born US citizen have his/her citizenship revoked against his/her will? I know a naturalized US citizen can through a process call denaturalization, but not sure about a natural-born US citizen. I guess we'll find out since this will definitely go to court, etc.

I thought I read where she wasn't a natural born citizen, maybe I'm wrong.


Her Dad was a foreign diplomat. Children of diplomats are not subject to US law so they are not granted citizenship, even if they're born in the USA.

But personally I think that joining a foreign military organization that has declared war on the USA should be grounds for getting your citizenship revoked.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware of the children of diplomats exception.

I also think there was something else, that when she was born the dad was transitioning from being a diplomat to becoming a citizen..

Who knows.. We'll see who takes it to the SCOTUS..
02-21-2019 12:06 PM
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RE: UPDATE:Bama-born ISIS wife who told Americans to kill themselves, citizenship revoked
(02-21-2019 12:06 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 11:57 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 10:39 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 09:57 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 09:19 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Can a natural-born US citizen have his/her citizenship revoked against his/her will? I know a naturalized US citizen can through a process call denaturalization, but not sure about a natural-born US citizen. I guess we'll find out since this will definitely go to court, etc.

I thought I read where she wasn't a natural born citizen, maybe I'm wrong.


Her Dad was a foreign diplomat. Children of diplomats are not subject to US law so they are not granted citizenship, even if they're born in the USA.

But personally I think that joining a foreign military organization that has declared war on the USA should be grounds for getting your citizenship revoked.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware of the children of diplomats exception.

I also think there was something else, that when she was born the dad was transitioning from being a diplomat to becoming a citizen..

Who knows.. We'll see who takes it to the SCOTUS..

So, looks like it will come down to technicality.
02-21-2019 12:30 PM
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RE: UPDATE:Bama-born ISIS wife who told Americans to kill themselves, citizenship revoked
(02-21-2019 10:40 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  I predict there will be a competition between the Dem Presidential candidates to see who can get her beside them on the campaign trail.

Won’t be surprised if they all have actual members of ISIS up on stage with them. Gotta suck up to the Muslims
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RE: UPDATE:Bama-born ISIS wife
(02-21-2019 12:30 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 12:06 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 11:57 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 10:39 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-21-2019 09:57 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I thought I read where she wasn't a natural born citizen, maybe I'm wrong.


Her Dad was a foreign diplomat. Children of diplomats are not subject to US law so they are not granted citizenship, even if they're born in the USA.

But personally I think that joining a foreign military organization that has declared war on the USA should be grounds for getting your citizenship revoked.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware of the children of diplomats exception.

I also think there was something else, that when she was born the dad was transitioning from being a diplomat to becoming a citizen..

Who knows.. We'll see who takes it to the SCOTUS..

So, looks like it will come down to technicality.

Even if she was born a US citizen, there's also laws about losing your citizenship. See below: the first bolded part is going to be the key (did she intend to relinquish her citizenship?). But because the State Dept has made a decision, the last bolded part places the burden of proof on her to prove she did not intend to relinquish her citizenship.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1481

8 U.S. Code § 1481. Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions
(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or
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(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or
(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or
(6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as not contrary to the interests of national defense; or
(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.
(b) Whenever the loss of United States nationality is put in issue in any action or proceeding commenced on or after September 26, 1961 under, or by virtue of, the provisions of this chapter or any other Act, the burden shall be upon the person or party claiming that such loss occurred, to establish such claim by a preponderance of the evidence. Any person who commits or performs, or who has committed or performed, any act of expatriation under the provisions of this chapter or any other Act shall be presumed to have done so voluntarily, but such presumption may be rebutted upon a showing, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the act or acts committed or performed were not done voluntarily.
02-21-2019 03:46 PM
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RE: UPDATE:Bama-born ISIS wife who told Americans to kill themselves, citizenship revoked
Every drunk driver is real sorry after they hit someone, but it is too late at that point.

She made her bed and slept with the dogs, she has to now live with the fleas.
02-21-2019 03:55 PM
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RE: UPDATE:Bama-born ISIS wife who told Americans to kill themselves, citizenship revoked
But if we revoke her citizenship, how will she ever become a Democratic congresswoman?
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