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RE: So Miss Names Offensive Coordinator (and it is a surprise)..
(02-19-2019 12:56 AM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  
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(02-18-2019 05:38 PM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  TTT Go check those drives where we got stopped at the 1 yard line when it mattered under Buster. I hope you like bubble screens, no use of a TE and no huddle BS. We never won more than 8 games a season under Buster. Neither did ASU with him at the helm. That's the trend that really matters.

How many times did MTSU or Arky StAte win more than 8 games with ANYBODY?

We had 10 with Tony Franklin and A-State had more than 8 with Gus Malzahn and Harsin who now coaches Boise State.
So, not a lotta times...
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RE: So Miss Names Offensive Coordinator (and it is a surprise)..
(02-19-2019 03:07 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(02-18-2019 05:42 PM)TTT Wrote:  Maybe you guys had terrible players, I dunno. He'll be inheriting a LOT of young quality talent here. Probably the most talent he's ever inherited at a new school. Still, you guys scored more points per game every year under him...?

This past year our offense had:

The League player of the year two times running at QB
The League newcomer of the year at WR
The League Freshman of the year at RB

We went 8-5 and just finished a bowl game where we failed to score on 6 different occasions inside our opponents 10 yard line.

That's coaching...

Buster is amazing at destroying FCS schools and bad FBS defenses. We took real advantage of the bottom of the Sun Belt. But when he plays a team with a pulse, the offense suddenly becomes stagnant, and he has no idea how to get out of it. His Red Zone offense is abhorrent. We had 700 yards of offense on Troy in 2017 and scored 25 points. The numbers look great, sure. But the record never matches, and that's why he's bouncing around the CUSA and SBC and not coaching in the SEC.

Maybe he won't work out....who knows? But according to Arky StAte fans and MTSU fans, we have no chance.....so, we'd be better off dropping college football since he didn't lead 2 obvious dynamic football programs to the national championship...04-cheers
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RE: So Miss Names Offensive Coordinator (and it is a surprise)..
(02-19-2019 10:43 AM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  
(02-19-2019 12:56 AM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  
(02-18-2019 05:59 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  
(02-18-2019 05:38 PM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  TTT Go check those drives where we got stopped at the 1 yard line when it mattered under Buster. I hope you like bubble screens, no use of a TE and no huddle BS. We never won more than 8 games a season under Buster. Neither did ASU with him at the helm. That's the trend that really matters.

How many times did MTSU or Arky StAte win more than 8 games with ANYBODY?

We had 10 with Tony Franklin and A-State had more than 8 with Gus Malzahn and Harsin who now coaches Boise State.
So, not a lotta times...

1 more than we ever did with Buster and we played in a championship game last season. One more than we ever did with buster. We won 2 bowl games with TF. 2 more than we ever did with Buster. Buster is average and does well against lesser teams but always craps the bed when it matters. From 2012 to the end of 2015, our schedule is laced with missed opportunities. If you like those, then you should be happy with that because that's what you're gonna get. He did get us some good wins too but we always flatlined when it truly mattered. We were never a championship competing team with him. We just weren't.
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RE: So Miss Names Offensive Coordinator (and it is a surprise)..
(02-19-2019 10:48 AM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  
(02-19-2019 03:07 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(02-18-2019 05:42 PM)TTT Wrote:  Maybe you guys had terrible players, I dunno. He'll be inheriting a LOT of young quality talent here. Probably the most talent he's ever inherited at a new school. Still, you guys scored more points per game every year under him...?

This past year our offense had:

The League player of the year two times running at QB
The League newcomer of the year at WR
The League Freshman of the year at RB

We went 8-5 and just finished a bowl game where we failed to score on 6 different occasions inside our opponents 10 yard line.

That's coaching...

Buster is amazing at destroying FCS schools and bad FBS defenses. We took real advantage of the bottom of the Sun Belt. But when he plays a team with a pulse, the offense suddenly becomes stagnant, and he has no idea how to get out of it. His Red Zone offense is abhorrent. We had 700 yards of offense on Troy in 2017 and scored 25 points. The numbers look great, sure. But the record never matches, and that's why he's bouncing around the CUSA and SBC and not coaching in the SEC.

Maybe he won't work out....who knows? But according to Arky StAte fans and MTSU fans, we have no chance.....so, we'd be better off dropping college football since he didn't lead 2 obvious dynamic football programs to the national championship...04-cheers

We're just saying that he has a track record that speaks for itself. Does he win more than he loses? Yes. Does he have the ability that a Kendall Briles has to call games? No. That's ok and it's not a strikeout hire but it's not a home run hire either. If you have a good D, you should be fine. If he is very successful there it will be a breakthrough for him. He's not trending on that level but who knows?
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RE: So Miss Names Offensive Coordinator (and it is a surprise)..
(02-19-2019 08:12 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  
(02-19-2019 12:53 AM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  
(02-18-2019 05:42 PM)TTT Wrote:  Maybe you guys had terrible players, I dunno. He'll be inheriting a LOT of young quality talent here. Probably the most talent he's ever inherited at a new school. Still, you guys scored more points per game every year under him...?

LOL! he had Brent Stockstill and Richie James. He had Benny Cunningham, Reggie Whatley, Shane Tucker, Tavarus Jefferson and Logan Kilgore. The players we had were just fine. His play calls inside the redzone were suspect and his ability to possess the ball for more than 2 minutes at a time was lacking.

He did beat y'all twice so there's that. LOL. Scoring points and winning games are 2 separate issues. I can point to many games he blew by bad play calls. If you want I can go year by year.

Correct. If you are scoring points, your offense is doing its job. If you are scoring points and losing games, your defense isn't doing its job.

Not necessarily. If your time of possession is less than 26 minutes a game and you are constantly putting your D on the field, you are managing the game poorly. If you get into the redzone and are getting FG's or no points instead of TD's with less than 2 minutes of possession time, then you are putting the game at risk. If you are throwing bubble passes and are not running the ball, you aren't imposing your will or are controlling the game. TF has the same issue IMO. We won games but we didn't win the games we needed to compete for a conference championship or win a bowl game. It's because of his hang the D out to dry philosophy.

Also, look at 2015. We put 70 points on Jackson St. (one of the worst FCS team ever and 73 on a brand new Charlotte team) Dude, that skews things tremendously. 2014, we lost to freaking FIU and UTEP to go 6-6. 2012 was his best year IMO but we had a good D and great OL coaches along with Benny Cunningham who still plays in the NFL today. After destroying Ga Tech, we lost to ULM a week later and ASU destroyed us 45-0 for a chance at a SBC title. Again, when it truly mattered, we flopped. Same for 2013 vs. UNT and ECU. Same for 2014 vs. Marshall, BYU at home, a bad FIU and a bad UTEP team. 2015, we were destroyed by WKU and LaTech and then we let Illinois and Vandy beat us when we had those games won. WMU too. 4th and 1's on the opponent's 1 yard line and we would come up empty. It happened more times than I could count.

Again, it could be different there and I wish you guys luck.
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RE: So Miss Names Offensive Coordinator (and it is a surprise)..
(02-19-2019 11:01 AM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  
(02-19-2019 10:48 AM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  
(02-19-2019 03:07 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(02-18-2019 05:42 PM)TTT Wrote:  Maybe you guys had terrible players, I dunno. He'll be inheriting a LOT of young quality talent here. Probably the most talent he's ever inherited at a new school. Still, you guys scored more points per game every year under him...?

This past year our offense had:

The League player of the year two times running at QB
The League newcomer of the year at WR
The League Freshman of the year at RB

We went 8-5 and just finished a bowl game where we failed to score on 6 different occasions inside our opponents 10 yard line.

That's coaching...

Buster is amazing at destroying FCS schools and bad FBS defenses. We took real advantage of the bottom of the Sun Belt. But when he plays a team with a pulse, the offense suddenly becomes stagnant, and he has no idea how to get out of it. His Red Zone offense is abhorrent. We had 700 yards of offense on Troy in 2017 and scored 25 points. The numbers look great, sure. But the record never matches, and that's why he's bouncing around the CUSA and SBC and not coaching in the SEC.

Maybe he won't work out....who knows? But according to Arky StAte fans and MTSU fans, we have no chance.....so, we'd be better off dropping college football since he didn't lead 2 obvious dynamic football programs to the national championship...04-cheers

We're just saying that he has a track record that speaks for itself. Does he win more than he loses? Yes. Does he have the ability that a Kendall Briles has to call games? No. That's ok and it's not a strikeout hire but it's not a home run hire either. If you have a good D, you should be fine. If he is very successful there it will be a breakthrough for him. He's not trending on that level but who knows?

No one at USM is super-excited, but what else can we do than give him a chance? We've had OC's who were highly respected and they under performed, and we've had some with little experience who turned out to be respectable. I'd say Buster is in-between, he has had some success, but many feel he also under performed....so we shall see.
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RE: So Miss Names Offensive Coordinator (and it is a surprise)..
I don't dispute what my fellow MT fans are saying about Buster but I think in both MT and ASU you are dealing with two head coaches that are controlling...in other words the fast pace, etc was blessed by Stock or we wouldn't have played that way. In at least MT case, our D was terrible (Buster years) and I think that contributed to the small TOP. So I don't think you can lay all the blame on Buster for the weaknesses we saw during those years.

And to be honest we still struggle scoring on long drives (TF), especially against good teams. In the last few years we are really slowed down, but interesting with a new QB what our pace of play will be.
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Bottom line is...it's an improvement from Shannon Dawson. We were 7 points away from being 9-2 and hosting the CUSA Championship game. Think about that...all we need is a slight improvement in offense and we'll be taking home that 'ship boys!
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Shannon Dawson would likely still be at USM if it were not for an absolutely horrible offensive line.
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(02-20-2019 02:11 PM)IRON-EAGLE Wrote:  Shannon Dawson would likely still be at USM if it were not for an absolutely horrible offensive line.

Shannon's offense would have flourished with a good offensive line last year. I hope the offensive line problems have been fixed. We have all the other pieces. A stud QB and RB.
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(02-20-2019 03:13 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  
(02-20-2019 02:11 PM)IRON-EAGLE Wrote:  Shannon Dawson would likely still be at USM if it were not for an absolutely horrible offensive line.

Shannon's offense would have flourished with a good offensive line last year. I hope the offensive line problems have been fixed. We have all the other pieces. A stud QB and RB.

If you are calling last year's starting QB a stud, you are a freaking idiot.
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Reading through this thread, sounds like USM should make a strong run at winning the conference this year to me (OC putts up yards and points against weak teams, falls flat against good competition).
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(02-19-2019 11:20 AM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  
(02-19-2019 11:01 AM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  
(02-19-2019 10:48 AM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  
(02-19-2019 03:07 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(02-18-2019 05:42 PM)TTT Wrote:  Maybe you guys had terrible players, I dunno. He'll be inheriting a LOT of young quality talent here. Probably the most talent he's ever inherited at a new school. Still, you guys scored more points per game every year under him...?

This past year our offense had:

The League player of the year two times running at QB
The League newcomer of the year at WR
The League Freshman of the year at RB

We went 8-5 and just finished a bowl game where we failed to score on 6 different occasions inside our opponents 10 yard line.

That's coaching...

Buster is amazing at destroying FCS schools and bad FBS defenses. We took real advantage of the bottom of the Sun Belt. But when he plays a team with a pulse, the offense suddenly becomes stagnant, and he has no idea how to get out of it. His Red Zone offense is abhorrent. We had 700 yards of offense on Troy in 2017 and scored 25 points. The numbers look great, sure. But the record never matches, and that's why he's bouncing around the CUSA and SBC and not coaching in the SEC.

Maybe he won't work out....who knows? But according to Arky StAte fans and MTSU fans, we have no chance.....so, we'd be better off dropping college football since he didn't lead 2 obvious dynamic football programs to the national championship...04-cheers

We're just saying that he has a track record that speaks for itself. Does he win more than he loses? Yes. Does he have the ability that a Kendall Briles has to call games? No. That's ok and it's not a strikeout hire but it's not a home run hire either. If you have a good D, you should be fine. If he is very successful there it will be a breakthrough for him. He's not trending on that level but who knows?

No one at USM is super-excited, but what else can we do than give him a chance? We've had OC's who were highly respected and they under performed, and we've had some with little experience who turned out to be respectable. I'd say Buster is in-between, he has had some success, but many feel he also under performed....so we shall see.

Not nitpicking here....genuinely trying to remember who else I'm missing. Klenakis was respected, at the time. In hindsight, we now know that Nevada's offense was Chris Ault's. Who else did we bring in that was highly respected?

Feels like it has mostly been retreads (Bustle, Dawson) or position coaches from P5s.
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(02-20-2019 03:55 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  
(02-19-2019 11:20 AM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  
(02-19-2019 11:01 AM)BlueraiderJT Wrote:  
(02-19-2019 10:48 AM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  
(02-19-2019 03:07 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  This past year our offense had:

The League player of the year two times running at QB
The League newcomer of the year at WR
The League Freshman of the year at RB

We went 8-5 and just finished a bowl game where we failed to score on 6 different occasions inside our opponents 10 yard line.

That's coaching...

Buster is amazing at destroying FCS schools and bad FBS defenses. We took real advantage of the bottom of the Sun Belt. But when he plays a team with a pulse, the offense suddenly becomes stagnant, and he has no idea how to get out of it. His Red Zone offense is abhorrent. We had 700 yards of offense on Troy in 2017 and scored 25 points. The numbers look great, sure. But the record never matches, and that's why he's bouncing around the CUSA and SBC and not coaching in the SEC.

Maybe he won't work out....who knows? But according to Arky StAte fans and MTSU fans, we have no chance.....so, we'd be better off dropping college football since he didn't lead 2 obvious dynamic football programs to the national championship...04-cheers

We're just saying that he has a track record that speaks for itself. Does he win more than he loses? Yes. Does he have the ability that a Kendall Briles has to call games? No. That's ok and it's not a strikeout hire but it's not a home run hire either. If you have a good D, you should be fine. If he is very successful there it will be a breakthrough for him. He's not trending on that level but who knows?

No one at USM is super-excited, but what else can we do than give him a chance? We've had OC's who were highly respected and they under performed, and we've had some with little experience who turned out to be respectable. I'd say Buster is in-between, he has had some success, but many feel he also under performed....so we shall see.

Not nitpicking here....genuinely trying to remember who else I'm missing. Klenakis was respected, at the time. In hindsight, we now know that Nevada's offense was Chris Ault's. Who else did we bring in that was highly respected?

Feels like it has mostly been retreads (Bustle, Dawson) or position coaches from P5s.

Troy's now head coach Chip Lindsey while Monken was head coach?
Bower brought it retread Rip Schearer after Klenakis then after Rip was let go Bower promoted Jay Johnson the final 3 years
Fedora came in and had Darrell Wyatt the first 2 years and then promoted Blake but as we all know that was Fed's system
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Flashback with CCR soundtrack for effect:

Bubble screen
QB draw
Bubble screen
Punt
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(02-20-2019 05:17 PM)TruBlu Wrote:  Flashback with CCR soundtrack for effect:

Bubble screen
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Bubble screen
Punt

Well there you go. Last year, 90% of our weak armed QB's attempts were within 10 yards. Hopefully our Oline will improve giving our RBs a little room to run. Will be nice if a new QB gets some snaps as well.
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(02-20-2019 03:13 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  
(02-20-2019 02:11 PM)IRON-EAGLE Wrote:  Shannon Dawson would likely still be at USM if it were not for an absolutely horrible offensive line.

Shannon's offense would have flourished with a good offensive line last year. I hope the offensive line problems have been fixed. We have all the other pieces. A stud QB and RB.

Just curious, which qb and rb are you referring to?
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Let's be fair and honest here...it's hard to judge how good/bad JA was last year due to the following: terrible run game. terrible run blocking. terrible pass blocking. Sure, JA made some boneheaded decisions and had trouble holding on to the ball at times but also some of those were magnified by the aforementioned. I remember against ULM or UNT...the tackles collapsed so bad/quick while pass protecting they actually strip fumbled JA.

Point is...it's really hard to judge JA from last year. However, I do like the new influx of oline we've signed. Those guys are gonna be difference makers.
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(02-20-2019 07:30 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  
(02-20-2019 03:13 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  
(02-20-2019 02:11 PM)IRON-EAGLE Wrote:  Shannon Dawson would likely still be at USM if it were not for an absolutely horrible offensive line.

Shannon's offense would have flourished with a good offensive line last year. I hope the offensive line problems have been fixed. We have all the other pieces. A stud QB and RB.

Just curious, which qb and rb are you referring to?

Mosley and the QB (Abraham) that put up pretty good stats while running for his life and being under constant pressure. They will both flourish this year with an improved offensive line.
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(02-21-2019 12:35 AM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  
(02-20-2019 07:30 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  
(02-20-2019 03:13 PM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  
(02-20-2019 02:11 PM)IRON-EAGLE Wrote:  Shannon Dawson would likely still be at USM if it were not for an absolutely horrible offensive line.

Shannon's offense would have flourished with a good offensive line last year. I hope the offensive line problems have been fixed. We have all the other pieces. A stud QB and RB.

Just curious, which qb and rb are you referring to?

Mosley and the QB (Abraham) that put up pretty good stats while running for his life and being under constant pressure. They will both flourish this year with an improved offensive line.

Ok thanks. Just my two cents, but I think if Maberry can stay healthy, he will rise to the position of our best rb. Question is, can he stay healthy?
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