I can't say that I can make sense out of any of this discussion. If someone could explain how players who haven't been able to crack the lineup could have helped ETSU beat Wofford, Furman and UNCG, I will be glad to consider that argument. Otherwise, I don't see the point of making fairly wild speculation on potential roster changes next year and accepting that roster change as fact and using that speculation to criticize the coaching staff. That might make for an amusement post season. But it seems pointless, especially when there are still games to be played.
Last night was a good win for the Bucs and I am curious to see if it leads to more good things.

(02-16-2019 09:13 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  What’s with Greensboro? If Wofford wins out, clinched share of regular season and #1 seed, nobody from SoCon goes to NIT?

It's seems to be looking that way. Wofford most likely will win the SoCon tourney as well so the automatic bid to the NIT for the regular season title will be forfeited. Unless someone gets else in the league gets an at large NIT bid, there will not be any SoCon participants. If Wofford stumbles in the SoCon tourney, then it will be interesting to see what happens. Do they get an at large NCAA bid? If they don't get in the NCAA tourney, and go to the NIT, then I think they could actually win the NIT championship.

I think 1-2 SoCon teams might get an at-large to the NIT this year depending on how it all plays out.

(02-17-2019 10:22 AM)BigIslandBuc Wrote:  I can't say that I can make sense out of any of this discussion. If someone could explain how players who haven't been able to crack the lineup could have helped ETSU beat Wofford, Furman and UNCG, I will be glad to consider that argument. Otherwise, I don't see the point of making fairly wild speculation on potential roster changes next year and accepting that roster change as fact and using that speculation to criticize the coaching staff. That might make for an amusement post season. But it seems pointless, especially when there are still games to be played.
Last night was a good win for the Bucs and I am curious to see if it leads to more good things.

I get your valid point....but Williamson grew into his role by whatever few minutes he had in the beginning, and why not let some guys who have practiced real hard all year get to stretch their legs when we are so far ahead. We are risking injury to several of our starters who have been nursing injuries all year. Just my thoughts...but I'm good with our coaching and they are much better thinkers than I am for sure...Go Bucs

(02-16-2019 10:01 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(02-16-2019 08:45 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  Bernard checked it to enter during last game (I don't remember exactly when during the game) but something happened and he returned to the bench. My opinion is that he and Hodges are the most athletic members of the team. During warm-ups he usually does skill drills with the post players, lots of folks in front of him for playing time in the post.

It was right before the half, by the time next dead ball happened it was under a minute and Forbes pulled him back.

I saw that out of the corner of my eye, and had forgotten it, as it only barely registered. But in retrospect, it reminded me of that aggregious non-substitution of A.J. Jackson at UNC-A when bartow first came here. To be clear, I don't consider it that bad - yet. If he never gets another chance, and then leaves, then it will end up being *almost* the equivalent.

And yes, I think Bernard may be the most "athletic" other than possibly Bo. He may be raw, but his potential skills are awesome. The reason I think we could have used him in many instances this year is that, as I've mentioned, we don't have any other "tweener" besides Bo. When Bo was injured, or is now in foul trouble, we don't have another option at the 3/4. As Forbes said after the game yesterday, he used Tisdale at the 4 briefly! (Of course Mercer is relatively small, so that wasn't fatal.)

And to combine my answer to BigIslandBuc................we just don't know how effective they could have been had they gotten the chance. Nobody on this forum, OR Forbes can tell me Curtis has gone downhill since last year. He may have some practice issue, or some "fitting in" issue I don't know about, or some intangible that hasn't been disclosed..........but talent-wise he should be getting PT. We've seen it time and again, too..................kids get some PT and rather quickly they can evolve and become relevant. Do I need to remind you all of Tommy Hubbard and Greg Hamlin? Or even a guy named Zakee Wadood? I'm sure I could name more rather easily. I simply can't believe Curtis couldn't bring more impact than Tucker. Yes, it's possible - somehow, but I'd have to see it to believe it - after maybe some 15-20 minutes of quality time.
Also.............and ultimately more importantly...................considerable time and money has been invested in these kids to get them here, get them through classes, etc. WE DON'T KNOW HOW VALUABLE THEY'LL BE NEXT YEAR. Bernard has had *some* PT, but not lately. Curtis, almost none. Bernard has ONLY ONE MORE YEAR. Of course Forbes knows all this much better than we do. Hopefully I'm wrong about all this and things will all work out. But I've been around the game a very long time, and I've seen lots of coaches come and go, and I'm good at pattern recognition. Every case/situation is different of course, however. But watching Herro last night, who Curtis was essentially virtually dead-even with in their match-up last year, play the #1 team in the country, while Curtis collects splinters, isn't a good look. Something's wrong with this picture. And we may never know. But if Curtis leaves, unless there's some very grave issue we don't know about, it will be a loss to the program. These guys may not (or may have?) helped us beat Wofford, Furman, or UNC-G this year, but they may have (or *could have had*) a significant impact next year.
I just want to know why somebody doesn't ask these questions.

And yet still, I trust Forbes on the big picture stuff, so altho it may seem like I'm standing up and yelling here, I'm not really. Like everyone else here, I just want ETSU to be the best it can be, *ethically*. You know.............."winning the right way".

(02-16-2019 09:14 PM)JWBUC Wrote:  Wofford beats UNCG by 30 .

I watched a lot of that game, especially the first half. Even tho it wasn't a slaughter at that point, the writing was on the wall. I checked the score once in the second half, and was correct in suspecting I didn't need to watch any more of it. UNC-G has lost their mojo with these last two losses. Kinda like ETSU's players knew they'd failed in their task after that heartbreaker when Wofford came here, I think UNC-G's guys knew after losing to Furple that they'd fallen short, too. SO much of this game is mental when talent levels are close. I think clearly right now Furple is the second-best team in the conference, and they're playing as if they could beat 'nova again.

I'll stand by what I said earlier, tho. I think ETSU's chances of winning the tournament are slightly higher than they were before the loss to Wofford. (Tho still very weak.) Just easier to play when one has no fear; nothing left to lose, shall we say.

Further, if Wofford goes on to the Dance (maybe even a 9 seed or thereabouts?), then I think at least one other SoCon team goes to the NIT. Right now that could be Furman or us or G'boro, but I'd put my money on Furman. Assuming no big upsets in the tournament, I think second place tourney finisher goes to the NIT, even if it's us (assuming we lose no more conference games - which of course is a GIANT assumption, since we still have UNC-G left). Otherwise (meaning if we DO lose again) it could be either of them.
And so I'll also stand by my prediction that we'll likely be making a CIT/CBI/whatever appearance.

Coach Forbes was on the radio this

- In speaking of the game Saturday Forbes said that he was pleased by the fact that the team had 8 players in nearly double scoring. He said that the team played really good defense for 35 minutes and then got sloppy in the last 5. He said that they changed defenses to a 1-3-1 to counter Mercer's outside shooting and because of how tight the refs were calling the game and that largely led to their lower rebound numbers because of long caroms of the basket after misses by Mercer. He was pleased with the bench play.

-When asked about Boyd's play he mentioned his 11 assists, 10 points and only 1 turnover. He said that the way Boyd played Saturday was what they see in practice. He said that he expects Boyd to have a break out game soon.

-When reminded that this was ETSU's 10th straight victory over Mercer, Coach said that Bob almost always has a good offensive scheme prepared for a game. He said that Mercer's defense is lacking, largely because of personnel and especially because of the lack of an inside presence.

-When asked about VMI, he said that in their last game the Bucs were cruising early and had to fight them off at the end.

-When asked about the Thursday/Saturday schedule in the SOCON, Coach Forbes repeated his dislike of it firmly. He said that it didn't give teams enough time to rest and heal between games. He noted that Wofford and Furman had a week to prepare for their games against each other. He expressed the opinion that the current schedule setup was an attempt to keep down travel costs by some programs. He said that he believed that a change in schedule was coming. He said that he thought it might be changed to either Wednesday/Saturday or Wednesday/Sunday. He said that he didn't care particularly which one it was changed to as long as there was some change that would make more of a break between games. He said that he still preferred Friday/Sunday,

Wofford is sky high right now. All the body language in the destruction of UNCG was of a supremely confident team.

All their stats are on an uptick. Their 3pt% is 3rd in D1 at 41.1% (44.3% in conference), and their 3's made per game are 6th in the country at 11.0. Kenpom rates them 13th in D1 in their measure of overall offense (Adjusted Offensive Efficiency), and rates them 28th overall in D1.

But what was most impressive was their defensive destruction of the UNCG offense: ace scorer Francis Alonso got 4 points, after having gotten only 8 the first time against them. Solid point guard Demetrius Troy was forced into 4 turnovers as the leading team in the SoCon in turnover margin with +4.79 was forced into 17 turnovers by the Terriers! Getting big Matt Pegram back in the lineup makes a difference with his physical presence, even though his stat line is nothing much.

Wofford faces one more challenge in the regular season: at Furman Saturday. It's must see basketball for anybody who cares about quality play. Kenpom has Wofford favored by 1, 70-69.

(02-18-2019 09:17 AM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  Wofford is sky high right now. All the body language in the destruction of UNCG was of a supremely confident team.

All their stats are on an uptick. Their 3pt% is 3rd in D1 at 41.1% (44.3% in conference), and their 3's made per game are 6th in the country at 11.0. Kenpom rates them 13th in D1 in their measure of overall offense (Adjusted Offensive Efficiency), and rates them 28th overall in D1.

But what was most impressive was their defensive destruction of the UNCG offense: ace scorer Francis Alonso got 4 points, after having gotten only 8 the first time against them. Solid point guard Demetrius Troy was forced into 4 turnovers as the leading team in the SoCon in turnover margin with +4.79 was forced into 17 turnovers by the Terriers! Getting big Matt Pegram back in the lineup makes a difference with his physical presence, even though his stat line is nothing much.

Wofford faces one more challenge in the regular season: at Furman Saturday. It's must see basketball for anybody who cares about quality play. Kenpom has Wofford favored by 1, 70-69.

Should be good one with Furman playing well recently also.

It's also one with implications for tournament seeding. If Wofford wins, Furman will likely finish at 13-5 in conference. The Bucs have a shot at 14-4, IF they can beat UNCG on the road Sunday and handle VMI and Western Carolina.

Don't know how important it is to play Wofford in the final, which is the road that the 2nd and 3rd seeds will have. The path to the championship will probably go through Wofford and either Furman or UNCG regardless, even if we finish 4th. The most important thing is that the Bucs go into the tournament winning.

Pick your poison.

(02-18-2019 09:05 AM)BigIslandBuc Wrote:  -When asked about the Thursday/Saturday schedule in the SOCON, Coach Forbes repeated his dislike of it firmly. He said that it didn't give teams enough time to rest and heal between games. He noted that Wofford and Furman had a week to prepare for their games against each other. He expressed the opinion that the current schedule setup was an attempt to keep down travel costs by some programs. He said that he believed that a change in schedule was coming. He said that he thought it might be changed to either Wednesday/Saturday or Wednesday/Sunday. He said that he didn't care particularly which one it was changed to as long as there was some change that would make more of a break between games. He said that he still preferred Friday/Sunday,

Am I missing something, Friday/Sunday (His preferred schedule) is the same amount of rest as Thursday/Saturday (the one he hates) So same amount of rest.

Am I missing something, Friday/Sunday (His preferred schedule) is the same amount of rest as Thursday/Saturday (the one he hates) So same amount of rest.

He said he liked Wednesday - Saturday with some Friday or Sunday games mixed in for TV exposure, if they could get it

(02-18-2019 10:39 AM)ETSU4Life Wrote:  Am I missing something, Friday/Sunday (His preferred schedule) is the same amount of rest as Thursday/Saturday (the one he hates) So same amount of rest.

He said he liked Wednesday - Saturday with some Friday or Sunday games mixed in for TV exposure, if they could get it

Not sure how I was supposed to figure that out from what was posted.

(02-17-2019 02:01 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(02-16-2019 10:01 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(02-16-2019 08:45 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  Bernard checked it to enter during last game (I don't remember exactly when during the game) but something happened and he returned to the bench. My opinion is that he and Hodges are the most athletic members of the team. During warm-ups he usually does skill drills with the post players, lots of folks in front of him for playing time in the post.

It was right before the half, by the time next dead ball happened it was under a minute and Forbes pulled him back.

I saw that out of the corner of my eye, and had forgotten it, as it only barely registered. But in retrospect, it reminded me of that aggregious non-substitution of A.J. Jackson at UNC-A when bartow first came here. To be clear, I don't consider it that bad - yet. If he never gets another chance, and then leaves, then it will end up being *almost* the equivalent.

And yes, I think Bernard may be the most "athletic" other than possibly Bo. He may be raw, but his potential skills are awesome. The reason I think we could have used him in many instances this year is that, as I've mentioned, we don't have any other "tweener" besides Bo. When Bo was injured, or is now in foul trouble, we don't have another option at the 3/4. As Forbes said after the game yesterday, he used Tisdale at the 4 briefly! (Of course Mercer is relatively small, so that wasn't fatal.)

And to combine my answer to BigIslandBuc................we just don't know how effective they could have been had they gotten the chance. Nobody on this forum, OR Forbes can tell me Curtis has gone downhill since last year. He may have some practice issue, or some "fitting in" issue I don't know about, or some intangible that hasn't been disclosed..........but talent-wise he should be getting PT. We've seen it time and again, too..................kids get some PT and rather quickly they can evolve and become relevant. Do I need to remind you all of Tommy Hubbard and Greg Hamlin? Or even a guy named Zakee Wadood? I'm sure I could name more rather easily. I simply can't believe Curtis couldn't bring more impact than Tucker. Yes, it's possible - somehow, but I'd have to see it to believe it - after maybe some 15-20 minutes of quality time.
Also.............and ultimately more importantly...................considerable time and money has been invested in these kids to get them here, get them through classes, etc. WE DON'T KNOW HOW VALUABLE THEY'LL BE NEXT YEAR. Bernard has had *some* PT, but not lately. Curtis, almost none. Bernard has ONLY ONE MORE YEAR. Of course Forbes knows all this much better than we do. Hopefully I'm wrong about all this and things will all work out. But I've been around the game a very long time, and I've seen lots of coaches come and go, and I'm good at pattern recognition. Every case/situation is different of course, however. But watching Herro last night, who Curtis was essentially virtually dead-even with in their match-up last year, play the #1 team in the country, while Curtis collects splinters, isn't a good look. Something's wrong with this picture. And we may never know. But if Curtis leaves, unless there's some very grave issue we don't know about, it will be a loss to the program. These guys may not (or may have?) helped us beat Wofford, Furman, or UNC-G this year, but they may have (or *could have had*) a significant impact next year.
I just want to know why somebody doesn't ask these questions.

And yet still, I trust Forbes on the big picture stuff, so altho it may seem like I'm standing up and yelling here, I'm not really. Like everyone else here, I just want ETSU to be the best it can be, *ethically*. You know.............."winning the right way".

He has a call-in radio show every Monday night from 6pm to 7pm. Why don't you call-in and ask him about Curtis and any other questions you might have? You can also ask him questions on Facebook Live during that time if you can't call. I'v listened to him several times, he likes getting questions and he is very direct and straight forward with his answers.

(02-18-2019 11:32 AM)ETSU4Life Wrote:  He has a call-in radio show every Monday night from 6pm to 7pm. Why don't you call-in and ask him about Curtis and any other questions you might have? You can also ask him questions on Facebook Live during that time if you can't call. I'v listened to him several times, he likes getting questions and he is very direct and straight forward with his answers.

1a) I absolutely can't stand commercial radio, a point I've made many times here. I don't know how you all do it. Wouldn't have the slightest clue what station you all refer to when you discuss this.
1b) Really can't believe the games aren't on WETS-FM, a point I've made over and over again thru the years. Mind-boggling that they aren't, actually. That would draw in more new ETSU fans than anything else I can think of. Coverage area, coverage area, coverage area.....
2) Don't do facebook, and don't plan on ever going there.

Those reasons are why I wish somebody else would do it. But if no one else cares, then I guess I can accept that nobody else will ask that kind of thing. It's not being lazy - it's just making a choice that I don't want those things in my life. But thanks for the ideas.

(02-18-2019 12:10 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 11:32 AM)ETSU4Life Wrote:  He has a call-in radio show every Monday night from 6pm to 7pm. Why don't you call-in and ask him about Curtis and any other questions you might have? You can also ask him questions on Facebook Live during that time if you can't call. I'v listened to him several times, he likes getting questions and he is very direct and straight forward with his answers.

1a) I absolutely can't stand commercial radio, a point I've made many times here. I don't know how you all do it. Wouldn't have the slightest clue what station you all refer to when you discuss this.
1b) Really can't believe the games aren't on WETS-FM, a point I've made over and over again thru the years. Mind-boggling that they aren't, actually. That would draw in more new ETSU fans than anything else I can think of. Coverage area, coverage area, coverage area.....
2) Don't do facebook, and don't plan on ever going there.

Those reasons are why I wish somebody else would do it. But if no one else cares, then I guess I can accept that nobody else will ask that kind of thing. It's not being lazy - it's just making a choice that I don't want those things in my life. But thanks for the ideas.

Since you dont want to listen to commercials, how much would you pay a month for radio?

The games, I believe, are on 104.9 FM. That is a lot better signal than WETS-FM.

I dont think you have to sign up for facebook to watch the coaches show. Just go to the facebook page.

(02-18-2019 10:39 AM)ETSU4Life Wrote:  Am I missing something, Friday/Sunday (His preferred schedule) is the same amount of rest as Thursday/Saturday (the one he hates) So same amount of rest.

He said he liked Wednesday - Saturday with some Friday or Sunday games mixed in for TV exposure, if they could get it

He also said he thought we would potentially get better officials with Friday and Sunday games -- guys who would work SEC and ACC games on Wednesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays would be available to work our games on Fridays and Sundays. I'm all for that.

(02-18-2019 12:25 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 12:10 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  1a) I absolutely can't stand commercial radio, a point I've made many times here. I don't know how you all do it. Wouldn't have the slightest clue what station you all refer to when you discuss this.
1b) Really can't believe the games aren't on WETS-FM, a point I've made over and over again thru the years. Mind-boggling that they aren't, actually. That would draw in more new ETSU fans than anything else I can think of. Coverage area, coverage area, coverage area.....
2) Don't do facebook, and don't plan on ever going there.

Those reasons are why I wish somebody else would do it. But if no one else cares, then I guess I can accept that nobody else will ask that kind of thing. It's not being lazy - it's just making a choice that I don't want those things in my life. But thanks for the ideas.

Since you dont want to listen to commercials, how much would you pay a month for radio?

The games, I believe, are on 104.9 FM. That is a lot better signal than WETS-FM.

I dont think you have to sign up for facebook to watch the coaches show. Just go to the facebook page.

???? I pay nothing for radio. Not sure I understand the question. *IF* I could get a 'receiver' that could switch quickly back-and-forth between about 7-8 NPR stations (which would have to be internet-based) via remote control, kinda like 'normal' radio, I'd pay a fair amount.

I can't find a coverage area map for 104.9, but I'm virtually certain it doesn't come close to WETS-FM - a 66,000-Watt station:

WETS-FM coverage area

With considerable extra trouble, I think I've found 104.9 (didn't that used to be in Erwin? - but I know those things change around):

WKOS (104.9) coverage area

It's only 2750 watts, and I knew it was weak because a couple of times when traveling I've tried to listen to a game. Maybe I'm missing somehow...…..otherwise I don't see the two as remotely (pun intended) comparable. So I don't know whether you are joking, or I'm somehow missing something, because I happen to know WETS is one of the strongest signals anywhere close. (WQUT and WXBQ are slightly stronger, but not by anything more than a small partial order of magnitude.)

Please feel open to correct me if I'm somehow missing something.

(02-18-2019 01:02 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 12:25 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 12:10 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  1a) I absolutely can't stand commercial radio, a point I've made many times here. I don't know how you all do it. Wouldn't have the slightest clue what station you all refer to when you discuss this.
1b) Really can't believe the games aren't on WETS-FM, a point I've made over and over again thru the years. Mind-boggling that they aren't, actually. That would draw in more new ETSU fans than anything else I can think of. Coverage area, coverage area, coverage area.....
2) Don't do facebook, and don't plan on ever going there.

Those reasons are why I wish somebody else would do it. But if no one else cares, then I guess I can accept that nobody else will ask that kind of thing. It's not being lazy - it's just making a choice that I don't want those things in my life. But thanks for the ideas.

Since you dont want to listen to commercials, how much would you pay a month for radio?

The games, I believe, are on 104.9 FM. That is a lot better signal than WETS-FM.

I dont think you have to sign up for facebook to watch the coaches show. Just go to the facebook page.

???? I pay nothing for radio. Not sure I understand the question. *IF* I could get a 'receiver' that could switch quickly back-and-forth between about 7-8 NPR stations (which would have to be internet-based) via remote control, kinda like 'normal' radio, I'd pay a fair amount.

I can't find a coverage area map for 104.9, but I'm virtually certain it doesn't come close to WETS-FM - a 66,000-Watt station:

WETS-FM coverage area

With considerable extra trouble, I think I've found 104.9 (didn't that used to be in Erwin? - but I know those things change around):

WKOS (104.9) coverage area

It's only 2750 watts, and I knew it was weak because a couple of times when traveling I've tried to listen to a game. Maybe I'm missing somehow...…..otherwise I don't see the two as remotely (pun intended) comparable. So I don't know whether you are joking, or I'm somehow missing something, because I happen to know WETS is one of the strongest signals anywhere close. (WQUT and WXBQ are slightly stronger, but not by anything more than a small partial order of magnitude.)

Please feel open to correct me if I'm somehow missing something.

I thought 104.9 had been upgraded awhile back. Regardless, why would ETSU athletics put their games on WETS for free instead of getting paid by Cumulus to put them on AM640 or WKOS?

(02-18-2019 01:31 PM)brock20 Wrote:  I thought 104.9 had been upgraded awhile back. Regardless, why would ETSU athletics put their games on WETS for free instead of getting paid by Cumulus to put them on AM640 or WKOS?

Again..........."coverage area, coverage area, coverage area........."

I'd be interested to know how much Cumulus pays ETSU for those rights, but I would bet it's not huge money - in the grand scale of ETSU athletics. And if I remember correctly, didn't *we* have to pay somebody to carry games not all that many years ago? That certainly was what was said on the old board. (I have no knowledge of those things.) To my set of friends, colleagues, business associates, etc., ETSU's following was greatest in the "surrounding areas" back when the games *were* on WETS-FM. It was very common to see folks coming from Western NC, SW VA, Greenville, Rogersville, Marion, etc., etc. I'm sure a few of those folks still come to games, but I think that attendance has really dropped off. Of course I'm comparing now to then when we also had 10-11,000 crowds in the Dome, too. And I doubt many will drive from Marion or Rogersville to see games in person they can watch on that interet machine.

NOT TO MENTION...........instead of commercials, we could have updates of all kinds of ETSU happenings, both academic and cultural. NOT TO MENTION.......you would have a captive audience to give a few "please donate to the radio station" or whatever pitches to. I suspect we could get more university income via those routes than whatever Cumulus pays us, but that's just speculation. By broadcasting on the campus station, you attract new fans with the much larger coverage area, and you attract new fans to the NPR station for much wider purposes. It's a no-brainer, as I've always said. Dick Ellis would tell you the same thing. It worked well then; it should work well now.