(02-13-2019 08:59 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  kick out UCF, add Florida A&M

Add West Florida Argonauts. Games in Pensacola.

This guy's political career is already over. It took just over 30,000 votes for him to get elected and he just pissed off more than 200,000 local constituents.

The backlash was so strong that he deleted his initial tweet.

You play with fire, you're going to get burned.

(02-13-2019 05:02 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 04:12 PM)vick mike Wrote:  Unfortunately this is part of a larger anti-University and anti-education program proposed by one political party. As one politician said “I like uneducated voters.” This propaganda stretches from higher ed to elementary school and is designed to starve public education of funds and then point out that it’s not working. Truth is access to quality education is why this country has progressed the way it has over the last hundred years and helped build the greatest middle class in history. Shame some greedy mo foes want to tear it down.

It's insane how true this is. I recently got into a debate with a guy I went to high school with who is a welder in Alabama.

He constantly posts about how much (bread) he is making. And one day he posted "It's stupid to go to college when you can get a trade. I make so much more money than all of you jobless degree holders with hundreds of thousands of dollars of student loans."

So I posted the average job salary for a welder which was like $36,000 a year. And I posted the average salary of my field which is $112,000. Then he goes on this stupid rant about Democrats, inflation, my field being (desk work), and how a welder can make just as much money. And I was like really man? One Welder in the world working on some random oil rig is probably making a lot of money so that makes going to college stupid?

It's crazy how anti-education this country is becoming.

I'm in Corporate Finance...Magna *** Laude. Bachelor's and Master's Degrees. Good for me.
I spent 12 years after school in Acquisitions working with Accounts that have made $200k+ incomes selling their businesses for $1M+ to us. I worked with a man that made more money on an oil rig in his early 20s than he was making in his late 40s at Corporate.

The world needs more welders like your FB friend. The world needs Tradesmen. Trade school I love.

I think it's crazy how anti-trade this country has become...men don't know how to tackle basic tasks around the home. The Millennials are all women. Where are the men with a pair?

(02-15-2019 12:12 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 08:59 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  kick out UCF, add Florida A&M

Add West Florida Argonauts. Games in Pensacola.

Believe they are still playing their games at a baseball stadium. Still need to go check out one of their games. It is a nice stadium though :D

(02-15-2019 02:23 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 05:02 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 04:12 PM)vick mike Wrote:  Unfortunately this is part of a larger anti-University and anti-education program proposed by one political party. As one politician said “I like uneducated voters.” This propaganda stretches from higher ed to elementary school and is designed to starve public education of funds and then point out that it’s not working. Truth is access to quality education is why this country has progressed the way it has over the last hundred years and helped build the greatest middle class in history. Shame some greedy mo foes want to tear it down.

It's insane how true this is. I recently got into a debate with a guy I went to high school with who is a welder in Alabama.

He constantly posts about how much (bread) he is making. And one day he posted "It's stupid to go to college when you can get a trade. I make so much more money than all of you jobless degree holders with hundreds of thousands of dollars of student loans."

So I posted the average job salary for a welder which was like $36,000 a year. And I posted the average salary of my field which is $112,000. Then he goes on this stupid rant about Democrats, inflation, my field being (desk work), and how a welder can make just as much money. And I was like really man? One Welder in the world working on some random oil rig is probably making a lot of money so that makes going to college stupid?

It's crazy how anti-education this country is becoming.

I'm in Corporate Finance...Magna *** Laude. Bachelor's and Master's Degrees. Good for me.
I spent 12 years after school in Acquisitions working with Accounts that have made $200k+ incomes selling their businesses for $1M+ to us. I worked with a man that made more money on an oil rig in his early 20s than he was making in his late 40s at Corporate.

The world needs more welders like your FB friend. The world needs Tradesmen. Trade school I love.

I think it's crazy how anti-trade this country has become...men don't know how to tackle basic tasks around the home. The Millennials are all women. Where are the men with a pair?

Great points.

I know very wealthy folks that never took a college class in their life (let alone a degree) that are now millionaires because they started their own electrical and construction companies....all by learning that trade starting back when they were in Jr High School.

Yes, a college degree can get you a better chance to land a corporate job but there is nothing wrong with learning a trade...as many have turned that trade into very successful businesses.

UCF spend $ from one pot of money while waiting for legislature to properly fund another. The 'misappropriation' of funds has been funded now.

The board of governors didn't like the 'misuse' of funds and ordered an audit to go back further to see if it was more than most recent audit period.

This politican is just grand standing since UF and FSU are foaming at the month to knock UCF down. It is a dangerous gamble for this politician, to say a misuse of a few millions should impact the 1.5 billion budget. UCF alumni are very prickly and social media savvy so good luck next election.

UCF issue is using a surplus in one pot money to fund empty pot of money.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/tak...story.html

(02-15-2019 12:12 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 08:59 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  kick out UCF, add Florida A&M

Add West Florida Argonauts. Games in Pensacola.

I interviewed and got offered a job there once, then funding got denied before I could start. :( I was impressed with their goals though.

Dunk City should be their replacement.

Typical politician...grandstanding to make people think he is actually doing something useful.

FAU and FIU will get much bigger when UCF is gone.

Dude just committed political suicide with a single stupid rhetorical jesture. He will learn too late once he re-enters life as a private person that “YOU DON’T POKE THE FREAKING BEAR!”

(02-15-2019 08:46 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-15-2019 02:23 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 05:02 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 04:12 PM)vick mike Wrote:  Unfortunately this is part of a larger anti-University and anti-education program proposed by one political party. As one politician said “I like uneducated voters.” This propaganda stretches from higher ed to elementary school and is designed to starve public education of funds and then point out that it’s not working. Truth is access to quality education is why this country has progressed the way it has over the last hundred years and helped build the greatest middle class in history. Shame some greedy mo foes want to tear it down.

It's insane how true this is. I recently got into a debate with a guy I went to high school with who is a welder in Alabama.

He constantly posts about how much (bread) he is making. And one day he posted "It's stupid to go to college when you can get a trade. I make so much more money than all of you jobless degree holders with hundreds of thousands of dollars of student loans."

So I posted the average job salary for a welder which was like $36,000 a year. And I posted the average salary of my field which is $112,000. Then he goes on this stupid rant about Democrats, inflation, my field being (desk work), and how a welder can make just as much money. And I was like really man? One Welder in the world working on some random oil rig is probably making a lot of money so that makes going to college stupid?

It's crazy how anti-education this country is becoming.

I'm in Corporate Finance...Magna *** Laude. Bachelor's and Master's Degrees. Good for me.
I spent 12 years after school in Acquisitions working with Accounts that have made $200k+ incomes selling their businesses for $1M+ to us. I worked with a man that made more money on an oil rig in his early 20s than he was making in his late 40s at Corporate.

The world needs more welders like your FB friend. The world needs Tradesmen. Trade school I love.

I think it's crazy how anti-trade this country has become...men don't know how to tackle basic tasks around the home. The Millennials are all women. Where are the men with a pair?

Great points.

I know very wealthy folks that never took a college class in their life (let alone a degree) that are now millionaires because they started their own electrical and construction companies....all by learning that trade starting back when they were in Jr High School.

Yes, a college degree can get you a better chance to land a corporate job but there is nothing wrong with learning a trade...as many have turned that trade into very successful businesses.

Great read.

(02-13-2019 05:02 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 04:12 PM)vick mike Wrote:  Unfortunately this is part of a larger anti-University and anti-education program proposed by one political party. As one politician said “I like uneducated voters.” This propaganda stretches from higher ed to elementary school and is designed to starve public education of funds and then point out that it’s not working. Truth is access to quality education is why this country has progressed the way it has over the last hundred years and helped build the greatest middle class in history. Shame some greedy mo foes want to tear it down.

It's insane how true this is. I recently got into a debate with a guy I went to high school with who is a welder in Alabama.

He constantly posts about how much (bread) he is making. And one day he posted "It's stupid to go to college when you can get a trade. I make so much more money than all of you jobless degree holders with hundreds of thousands of dollars of student loans."

So I posted the average job salary for a welder which was like $36,000 a year. And I posted the average salary of my field which is $112,000. Then he goes on this stupid rant about Democrats, inflation, my field being (desk work), and how a welder can make just as much money. And I was like really man? One Welder in the world working on some random oil rig is probably making a lot of money so that makes going to college stupid?

It's crazy how anti-education this country is becoming.

It's not "anti-education". It's anti-"higher education". The simple fact is, there are some people who have NO BUSINESS being in a college classroom. What has happened to the lower grade and high school education in this country over the last 40 years is a travesty. When I graduated high school in 1985, I knew a certain level of math, science, and literature. I knew how to make a cogent thought known through proper sentence structure.

In 2010 I went back to college for 6 straight years (that's Fall of 2010 through Spring of 2016) to get my Architect's degree. I can tell you with out a doubt, the people coming out of the 12th grade now know half as much as kids coming out of 12th grade in 1985. They cannot wright. They cannot speak. They cannot study. They do not respect authority.

This is all because the high school has replaced real discipline with "no child left behind", no homework, and no consequences. Oh, and a healthy dose of social [justice] studies.

So in turn, what has the university done to compensate? Dumbed down their standards as well. Can't read above an 8th grade level when you get to college? No problem. We have two choices for you. A remedial level class for you to actually learn what you should have learned in high school, or a prescription of Ritalin and a "disabilities" exception in a regular class so you don't have to turn in your homework on time, and an extra two hours to take the test the rest of us had 1 1/2 hours to complete.

In the mean time, all of the social science classes are filled with anti-American "professors" (if you can call them that) whose main purpose seems to be to turn America's youth against their own country, sourly brooding all the while that they weren't around in the 60s. They imagine that "this is their 60s", and they are going to make a difference, whether one needs to be made or not.

Make no mistake. What the higher education has morphed into over the last 40 years is a desire to capture every child for 4 additional years in order to "progress" them into a higher state of "woke"... whatever the hell that means...

Now, if you want your child to get a STEM degree? Hell yes. It is totally worth it. But don't try and tell me that a sociology degree is worth the $60,000 - $100,000 of debt you end up with. Believe me. I know. I have a daughter with a sociology degree. About as worthless as titts on a boar.

(02-15-2019 02:23 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 05:02 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 04:12 PM)vick mike Wrote:  Unfortunately this is part of a larger anti-University and anti-education program proposed by one political party. As one politician said “I like uneducated voters.” This propaganda stretches from higher ed to elementary school and is designed to starve public education of funds and then point out that it’s not working. Truth is access to quality education is why this country has progressed the way it has over the last hundred years and helped build the greatest middle class in history. Shame some greedy mo foes want to tear it down.

It's insane how true this is. I recently got into a debate with a guy I went to high school with who is a welder in Alabama.

He constantly posts about how much (bread) he is making. And one day he posted "It's stupid to go to college when you can get a trade. I make so much more money than all of you jobless degree holders with hundreds of thousands of dollars of student loans."

So I posted the average job salary for a welder which was like $36,000 a year. And I posted the average salary of my field which is $112,000. Then he goes on this stupid rant about Democrats, inflation, my field being (desk work), and how a welder can make just as much money. And I was like really man? One Welder in the world working on some random oil rig is probably making a lot of money so that makes going to college stupid?

It's crazy how anti-education this country is becoming.

I'm in Corporate Finance...Magna *** Laude. Bachelor's and Master's Degrees. Good for me.
I spent 12 years after school in Acquisitions working with Accounts that have made $200k+ incomes selling their businesses for $1M+ to us. I worked with a man that made more money on an oil rig in his early 20s than he was making in his late 40s at Corporate.

The world needs more welders like your FB friend. The world needs Tradesmen. Trade school I love.

I think it's crazy how anti-trade this country has become...men don't know how to tackle basic tasks around the home. The Millennials are all women. Where are the men with a pair?

I'm right here, brother... 'course, I'm 51.

(02-16-2019 10:53 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  It's not "anti-education". It's anti-"higher education". The simple fact is, there are some people who have NO BUSINESS being in a college classroom. What has happened to the lower grade and high school education in this country over the last 40 years is a travesty. When I graduated high school in 1985, I knew a certain level of math, science, and literature. I knew how to make a cogent thought known through proper sentence structure.

In 2010 I went back to college for 6 straight years (that's Fall of 2010 through Spring of 2016) to get my Architect's degree. I can tell you with out a doubt, the people coming out of the 12th grade now know half as much as kids coming out of 12th grade in 1985. They cannot wright. They cannot speak. They cannot study. They do not respect authority.

coupled with a tinge of

Quote:This is all because the high school has replaced real discipline with "no child left behind", no homework, and no consequences. Oh, and a healthy dose of social [justice] studies.

So in turn, what has the university done to compensate? Dumbed down their standards as well. Can't read above an 8th grade level when you get to college? No problem. We have two choices for you. A remedial level class for you to actually learn what you should have learned in high school, or a prescription of Ritalin and a "disabilities" exception in a regular class so you don't have to turn in your homework on time, and an extra two hours to take the test the rest of us had 1 1/2 hours to complete.

In the mean time, all of the social science classes are filled with anti-American "professors" (if you can call them that) whose main purpose seems to be to turn America's youth against their own country, sourly brooding all the while that they weren't around in the 60s. They imagine that "this is their 60s", and they are going to make a difference, whether one needs to be made or not.

Jeez, overexaggerate much? Do I think there are some faculty in the liberal arts who are left leaning? Of course. But this is just a ridiculous oversimplification that's straight out of Fox News. Profiling "every" member of any group, whether it's based on race, fan base, gender or even profession, into a single stereotype is ignorant. Was the communications professor at FAU who hounded all of the Sandy Hook parents some long lost hippie? Do yourself a favor, just Google the Heterodox Academy. >2,500 professors around the country dedicated to making sure that conservative viewpoints aren't lost in higher education.

Quote:Make no mistake. What the higher education has morphed into over the last 40 years is a desire to capture every child for 4 additional years in order to "progress" them into a higher state of "woke"... whatever the hell that means...

Now, if you want your child to get a STEM degree? Hell yes. It is totally worth it. But don't try and tell me that a sociology degree is worth the $60,000 - $100,000 of debt you end up with. Believe me. I know. I have a daughter with a sociology degree. About as worthless as titts on a boar.

Ugh. Those last two sentences are either an extremely unfortunate turn of the phrase, or at least I hope your daughter never reads this message board.

Look, I agree with much of what you say. The deterioration of our secondary education system has become more pronounced as the years go by, and it's forcing many of our universities to have to spend at least the earliest part of their curriculum teaching many students what they should have already known. I also believe that there are other contributing factors - a change in the family dynamics that has taken away emphasis on performing well in school, removing real consequences (e.g. corporal punishment) so that teachers not only have no recourse to force students to learn but little to no home support for them when they try to discipline students (yes, I got paddled as a student - I learned a lesson and my parents didn't sue the school over it) and anti-intellectual attacks on curricula ("you can't teach my kids that evolution is a thing!" or "the Civil War wasn't REALLY about slavery!" or "you don't actually NEED to get vaccinated - it should be your choice!" and don't even get me started on global warming). Further, there's a difference between getting an education and training for a vocation. Would I personally advocate that somebody study French literature or Sociology for a degree? No, because I would suggest they know how they're going to use that degree later in life. But that doesn't mean that I should condemn somebody else for going to school to learn about it.

USFFan

(02-16-2019 01:45 PM)usffan Wrote:  Do yourself a favor, just Google the Heterodox Academy. >2,500 professors around the country dedicated to making sure that conservative viewpoints aren't lost in higher education.

USFFan

You should at least try to incorporate factual information into your posts.

They do not "make sure conservative viewpoints aren't lost." They promote viewpoint diversity and constructive disagreement, so all sides of an issue can be considered in an academic environment.

Their membership self identifies as...

16% Conservative
17% Progressive
25% Centrist
26% Libertarian

(02-16-2019 01:45 PM)usffan Wrote:  Do yourself a favor, just Google the Heterodox Academy. >2,500 professors around the country dedicated to making sure that conservative viewpoints aren't lost in higher education.

USFFan

You should at least try to incorporate factual information into your posts.

They do not "make sure conservative viewpoints aren't lost." They promote viewpoint diversity and constructive disagreement, so all sides of an issue can be considered in an academic environment.

Their membership self identifies as...

16% Conservative
17% Progressive
25% Centrist
26% Libertarian

(02-16-2019 10:53 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 05:02 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 04:12 PM)vick mike Wrote:  Unfortunately this is part of a larger anti-University and anti-education program proposed by one political party. As one politician said “I like uneducated voters.” This propaganda stretches from higher ed to elementary school and is designed to starve public education of funds and then point out that it’s not working. Truth is access to quality education is why this country has progressed the way it has over the last hundred years and helped build the greatest middle class in history. Shame some greedy mo foes want to tear it down.

It's insane how true this is. I recently got into a debate with a guy I went to high school with who is a welder in Alabama.

He constantly posts about how much (bread) he is making. And one day he posted "It's stupid to go to college when you can get a trade. I make so much more money than all of you jobless degree holders with hundreds of thousands of dollars of student loans."

So I posted the average job salary for a welder which was like $36,000 a year. And I posted the average salary of my field which is $112,000. Then he goes on this stupid rant about Democrats, inflation, my field being (desk work), and how a welder can make just as much money. And I was like really man? One Welder in the world working on some random oil rig is probably making a lot of money so that makes going to college stupid?

It's crazy how anti-education this country is becoming.

It's not "anti-education". It's anti-"higher education". The simple fact is, there are some people who have NO BUSINESS being in a college classroom. What has happened to the lower grade and high school education in this country over the last 40 years is a travesty. When I graduated high school in 1985, I knew a certain level of math, science, and literature. I knew how to make a cogent thought known through proper sentence structure.

In 2010 I went back to college for 6 straight years (that's Fall of 2010 through Spring of 2016) to get my Architect's degree. I can tell you with out a doubt, the people coming out of the 12th grade now know half as much as kids coming out of 12th grade in 1985. They cannot wright. They cannot speak. They cannot study. They do not respect authority.

This is all because the high school has replaced real discipline with "no child left behind", no homework, and no consequences. Oh, and a healthy dose of social [justice] studies.

So in turn, what has the university done to compensate? Dumbed down their standards as well. Can't read above an 8th grade level when you get to college? No problem. We have two choices for you. A remedial level class for you to actually learn what you should have learned in high school, or a prescription of Ritalin and a "disabilities" exception in a regular class so you don't have to turn in your homework on time, and an extra two hours to take the test the rest of us had 1 1/2 hours to complete.

In the mean time, all of the social science classes are filled with anti-American "professors" (if you can call them that) whose main purpose seems to be to turn America's youth against their own country, sourly brooding all the while that they weren't around in the 60s. They imagine that "this is their 60s", and they are going to make a difference, whether one needs to be made or not.

Make no mistake. What the higher education has morphed into over the last 40 years is a desire to capture every child for 4 additional years in order to "progress" them into a higher state of "woke"... whatever the hell that means...

Now, if you want your child to get a STEM degree? Hell yes. It is totally worth it. But don't try and tell me that a sociology degree is worth the $60,000 - $100,000 of debt you end up with. Believe me. I know. I have a daughter with a sociology degree. About as worthless as titts on a boar.

lmao what a **** post

(02-15-2019 01:02 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Dunk City should be their replacement.

If you've got the money honey, I've got the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCv-gZ-BuvQ

HuskyU's words to live by.

(02-16-2019 06:17 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(02-16-2019 01:45 PM)usffan Wrote:  Do yourself a favor, just Google the Heterodox Academy. >2,500 professors around the country dedicated to making sure that conservative viewpoints aren't lost in higher education.

USFFan

You should at least try to incorporate factual information into your posts.

They do not "make sure conservative viewpoints aren't lost." They promote viewpoint diversity and constructive disagreement, so all sides of an issue can be considered in an academic environment.

Their membership self identifies as...

16% Conservative
17% Progressive
25% Centrist
26% Libertarian

I didn't say it was exclusively conservative. My point still stands - they're there to make sure that campuses are not the "bastions of liberalism" that is claimed by some of the talking heads.

Was it really necessary to double post that?

USFFan