(02-26-2019 01:12 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 12:27 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  The race to conveying is over. They aren't finishing outside the top 8 especially now with JJJ sidelined for who knows how long. It's time to start evaluating this horrible draft, and maybe just maybe a miracle will happen and they get a top 3 pick

I don't think it's quite over, we beat the Lakers last night and are 4-6 in the last 10. We have the woeful Bulls next at home, then a tougher stretch, but we get the Mavs 3 more times, the Wizards again, both are teams we would need to pass in the standings. The Pelicans could fall apart with this AD thing going on.

It's unlikely, but conceivable that we could finish outside the top 8.

Without JJJ it's over. Remember we lost to this same Bulls team two weeks ago by 12.

Record wise it's over in trying to finish lower than 8. With the revised lottery drawing, yeah sure there's an outside chance of falling lower than 8.

(02-26-2019 01:21 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 01:12 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 12:27 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  The race to conveying is over. They aren't finishing outside the top 8 especially now with JJJ sidelined for who knows how long. It's time to start evaluating this horrible draft, and maybe just maybe a miracle will happen and they get a top 3 pick

I don't think it's quite over, we beat the Lakers last night and are 4-6 in the last 10. We have the woeful Bulls next at home, then a tougher stretch, but we get the Mavs 3 more times, the Wizards again, both are teams we would need to pass in the standings. The Pelicans could fall apart with this AD thing going on.

It's unlikely, but conceivable that we could finish outside the top 8.

Without JJJ it's over. Remember we lost to this same Bulls team two weeks ago by 12.

Record wise it's over in trying to finish lower than 8. With the revised lottery drawing, yeah sure there's an outside chance of falling lower than 8.

I guess we'll see. I think the Gasol trade helped in the short term with depth and Valunciunas is producing offensively as well or better than Gasol, plus we upgraded the back up PG considerably with Delon Wright. Avery Bradley is a big step up at the 2.

Replacing JJJ is problematic of course.

There will be other teams that go into the tank and/or start resting players.

(02-26-2019 02:37 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 01:21 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 01:12 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 12:27 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  The race to conveying is over. They aren't finishing outside the top 8 especially now with JJJ sidelined for who knows how long. It's time to start evaluating this horrible draft, and maybe just maybe a miracle will happen and they get a top 3 pick

I don't think it's quite over, we beat the Lakers last night and are 4-6 in the last 10. We have the woeful Bulls next at home, then a tougher stretch, but we get the Mavs 3 more times, the Wizards again, both are teams we would need to pass in the standings. The Pelicans could fall apart with this AD thing going on.

It's unlikely, but conceivable that we could finish outside the top 8.

Without JJJ it's over. Remember we lost to this same Bulls team two weeks ago by 12.

Record wise it's over in trying to finish lower than 8. With the revised lottery drawing, yeah sure there's an outside chance of falling lower than 8.

I guess we'll see. I think the Gasol trade helped in the short term with depth and Valunciunas is producing offensively as well or better than Gasol, plus we upgraded the back up PG considerably with Delon Wright. Avery Bradley is a big step up at the 2.

Replacing JJJ is problematic of course.

There will be other teams that go into the tank and/or start resting players.

Okay, it's over. Lose to the Bulls at home, done and done.

The sad thing is that I would take the Bulls roster over the Grizz in a heartbeat. Markkanen, Lavine, Dunn, and Porter is a pretty solid group of young guys. The Grizz have JJJ and a bunch of old ass guys.

I didn't watch the game, but at one point, our "star" was 3-16 from the field.

As a person, Mike Conley is gold, but the Grizz need to move on. Unfortunately, other teams recognize that he is not an elite PG any longer.

Outside of hitting a home run in the draft, I don't see a way out of this mess.

(02-27-2019 10:33 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 02:37 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 01:21 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-26-2019 01:12 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 12:27 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  The race to conveying is over. They aren't finishing outside the top 8 especially now with JJJ sidelined for who knows how long. It's time to start evaluating this horrible draft, and maybe just maybe a miracle will happen and they get a top 3 pick

I don't think it's quite over, we beat the Lakers last night and are 4-6 in the last 10. We have the woeful Bulls next at home, then a tougher stretch, but we get the Mavs 3 more times, the Wizards again, both are teams we would need to pass in the standings. The Pelicans could fall apart with this AD thing going on.

It's unlikely, but conceivable that we could finish outside the top 8.

Without JJJ it's over. Remember we lost to this same Bulls team two weeks ago by 12.

Record wise it's over in trying to finish lower than 8. With the revised lottery drawing, yeah sure there's an outside chance of falling lower than 8.

I guess we'll see. I think the Gasol trade helped in the short term with depth and Valunciunas is producing offensively as well or better than Gasol, plus we upgraded the back up PG considerably with Delon Wright. Avery Bradley is a big step up at the 2.

Replacing JJJ is problematic of course.

There will be other teams that go into the tank and/or start resting players.

Okay, it's over. Lose to the Bulls at home, done and done.

The sad thing is that I would take the Bulls roster over the Grizz in a heartbeat. Markkanen, Lavine, Dunn, and Porter is a pretty solid group of young guys. The Grizz have JJJ and a bunch of old ass guys.

I didn't watch the game, but at one point, our "star" was 3-16 from the field.

As a person, Mike Conley is gold, but the Grizz need to move on. Unfortunately, other teams recognize that he is not an elite PG any longer.

Outside of hitting a home run in the draft, I don't see a way out of this mess.

Mike is still an elite PG. The issue is he has nobody around him. JJJ is hurt. Anderson is hurt. Brooks is hurt. Avery Bradley hasn't been good in a few years. Though he's been better in a Grizz uniform. Holiday is mediocre.

I mean Conley had 21 pts, 4 boards, 6 assists, 2 steals, and 2 blocks last night. What more do you want from him? He's doing everything he can but the cast around him is not good.

Delon and Jonas if they both are back are solid youngish pieces.

If they do it right and can get a little lucky, that's a big if, the rebuild shouldn't take super long. Build around JJJ and move away from GnG. Think more offensively. I'm not saying don't take guys who are great defenders, but have to put the offensive end first

First thing though they have to clean house from GM down to the coach. Clean out the entire FO and coaching staff. They need new blood in there.

Bring in Battier as the new GM. I know that idea has been thrown out there and I'm 100% on board with that. As for a coach I'm not sure where to turn. I just know JB isn't the guy and the Grizz hiring him was a super lazy hire.

The fact that they aren't conveying this year it would not surprise me to see them hang on to Conley through next season to try and convey next year.

If they don't though they will get good value for him in a trade this summer especially once those teams who have cap space don't get the free agents they thought they would get.

Good thoughts, 830. If Pera is going to change the FO, he needs to do it now. Like the Pels did getting rid of Del Demps. Run a real job search, actually interview guys. This GM job is more attractive with JJJ, GMs know they have a foundational piece already. Battier is fine, he has a spot in the Heat front office now. But whoever, get him in now so the new GM can hire the new coach after the season ends, before the draft and free agency.

I think the FO still wants to trade Mike, although I wish they would keep him into next season. I think not conveying might make them less likely to trade Mike before July 1st, because one of the reasons to trade Mike would be to get a lottery pick this year. Not as necessary now since we will have a top 6 or 7 pick.

Conley is still valuable and we should get a good return on him in trade. (Players and at least one 1st and one 2nd).

I still think we hope realistically to land Cam Reddish. Too many people knocking his inconsistencies but that is normal for a true freshman. His upside as a 2-3 is tremendous.

We shall see how it plays out. Maybe we land a top 3 pick then it's a no brainer.

I think there are some really good players to be had at 4-8 that can help with the rebuild.

Best case scenario, Kyrie leaves Boston, and Boston decides they want Conley. Who knows...

(02-28-2019 09:56 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Good thoughts, 830. If Pera is going to change the FO, he needs to do it now. Like the Pels did getting rid of Del Demps. Run a real job search, actually interview guys. This GM job is more attractive with JJJ, GMs know they have a foundational piece already. Battier is fine, he has a spot in the Heat front office now. But whoever, get him in now so the new GM can hire the new coach after the season ends, before the draft and free agency.

I think the FO still wants to trade Mike, although I wish they would keep him into next season. I think not conveying might make them less likely to trade Mike before July 1st, because one of the reasons to trade Mike would be to get a lottery pick this year. Not as necessary now since we will have a top 6 or 7 pick.

I just really think a house clean is in order and breath of fresh air is needed. I don't want in house hire for potential new GM or coach. I think any in house hire maintains status quo and that's just not what is needed.

I think not conveying also means Conley is likely to stay, but if they do end up trying to trade him it will be after all the big free agents sign. I think if something like that happens Grizz would have some leverage in trade talks with teams that have the cap space to take Mike in. Grizz can avoid taking back a bad contract with those teams and receive some assets in return.

Before all that can happen though a new front office is needed.

(02-28-2019 10:04 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Conley is still valuable and we should get a good return on him in trade. (Players and at least one 1st and one 2nd).

I still think we hope realistically to land Cam Reddish. Too many people knocking his inconsistencies but that is normal for a true freshman. His upside as a 2-3 is tremendous.

We shall see how it plays out. Maybe we land a top 3 pick then it's a no brainer.

I think there are some really good players to be had at 4-8 that can help with the rebuild.

Best case scenario, Kyrie leaves Boston, and Boston decides they want Conley. Who knows...

I don't want to deal with Ainge at all. The guy worked Memphis over on that Jeff Green deal.

Their will be a market for a veteran PG this summer.

Here's one scenario that haven't seen talked about much: Kyrie looks unhappy and passive aggressive in Boston. Let's say he goes to the Knicks with KD. Then, Kemba sees the opening in Boston. UConn guy goes back to the northeast to play for the Celtics.

That would add Charlotte to the teams looking for a guy like Mike. Hollinger said we got close with Charlotte with Marc at the deadline, thought they had a deal Wed. night, but Charlotte changed the names Thursday a.m., so they went with Toronto. Utah obviously still in the mix. Bulls, Phoenix, Lakers if they miss on free agents.

(02-28-2019 01:57 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Their will be a market for a veteran PG this summer.

Here's one scenario that haven't seen talked about much: Kyrie looks unhappy and passive aggressive in Boston. Let's say he goes to the Knicks with KD. Then, Kemba sees the opening in Boston. UConn guy goes back to the northeast to play for the Celtics.

That would add Charlotte to the teams looking for a guy like Mike. Hollinger said we got close with Charlotte with Marc at the deadline, thought they had a deal Wed. night, but Charlotte changed the names Thursday a.m., so they went with Toronto. Utah obviously still in the mix. Bulls, Phoenix, Lakers if they miss on free agents.

Definitely. For me any deal with Charlotte needs to include Monk or Bridges. If it doesn't I'm walking away

Well, somehow we managed to beat Dallas on the road ...

(03-02-2019 11:02 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  Well, somehow we managed to beat Dallas on the road ...

I can’t remember the last time we won on the road by 30 points. It’s a shame we can’t carry over some of those for tomorrow’s game at Oklahoma City.

Grizzlies with another win last night.

Holiday with 0 points, enough said.

Lol at those who said we couldn't get a first rounder and or a strong return on Gasol.

Smh at those who think we can't and or won't get a great return for MC.

Conley went for 40 last night

Grizzlies are a much improved team after the Toronto trade.

If we play the Conley deal right we can come out smelling like roses all things considered. ( ie our lack of draft picks, salary issues) Younger, deeper, faster.

Im really hoping we strike gold in this lottery.

Go Grizzlies!

(03-06-2019 07:25 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Grizzlies with another win last night.

Holiday with 0 points, enough said.

Lol at those who said we couldn't get a first rounder and or a strong return on Gasol.

Smh at those who think we can't and or won't get a great return for MC.

Conley went for 40 last night

Grizzlies are a much improved team after the Toronto trade.

If we play the Conley deal right we can come out smelling like roses all things considered. ( ie our lack of draft picks, salary issues) Younger, deeper, faster.

Im really hoping we strike gold in this lottery.

Go Grizzlies!

Well we didn't get a first and it's still up for debate whether it's a strong return. If you don't sign either to longer deals then it's not a strong return.

That's the key with this is they have to be able to sign Jonas and Delon to longer deals.

Also with Grizz beating teams now, conveying is still on the table. Dallas is done so Grizz will move ahead of them.

It's now down to how many more will the Grizz win compared to how many New Orleans and Atlanta will win.

(03-06-2019 09:25 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 07:25 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Grizzlies with another win last night.

Holiday with 0 points, enough said.

Lol at those who said we couldn't get a first rounder and or a strong return on Gasol.

Smh at those who think we can't and or won't get a great return for MC.

Conley went for 40 last night

Grizzlies are a much improved team after the Toronto trade.

If we play the Conley deal right we can come out smelling like roses all things considered. ( ie our lack of draft picks, salary issues) Younger, deeper, faster.

Im really hoping we strike gold in this lottery.

Go Grizzlies!

Well we didn't get a first and it's still up for debate whether it's a strong return. If you don't sign either to longer deals then it's not a strong return.

That's the key with this is they have to be able to sign Jonas and Delon to longer deals.

Also with Grizz beating teams now, conveying is still on the table. Dallas is done so Grizz will move ahead of them.

It's now down to how many more will the Grizz win compared to how many New Orleans and Atlanta will win.

We had offers for Gasol that included first round picks. In the end we did well in return imo even without the first. (although the 2024 second round pick is weak...)


I agree we need to re sign those two..that's been my issue with all that we gave up for a Holiday rental vs his return..and what it will cost to re sign him versus having not offered Tyreke the MLE.

Gasol however was finished here. It was time to move on. JJJ is the cornerstone. Parsons will be off the books soon. Wallace will be gone.

We have a year, maybe two left before Conley must go..but if we get the right deal sooner..and we will if we are patient..then it's time to move Mike and expedite this rebuild even more.

We need a replacement for Conley when we trade him and a dynamic wing imo. We should be able to get both of those in the next year or so, plus some good role players and picks and begin to dig ourselves out of this hole Wallace has dug for our franchise.

Go Grizzlies!

(03-06-2019 10:38 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 09:25 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 07:25 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Grizzlies with another win last night.

Holiday with 0 points, enough said.

Lol at those who said we couldn't get a first rounder and or a strong return on Gasol.

Smh at those who think we can't and or won't get a great return for MC.

Conley went for 40 last night

Grizzlies are a much improved team after the Toronto trade.

If we play the Conley deal right we can come out smelling like roses all things considered. ( ie our lack of draft picks, salary issues) Younger, deeper, faster.

Im really hoping we strike gold in this lottery.

Go Grizzlies!

Well we didn't get a first and it's still up for debate whether it's a strong return. If you don't sign either to longer deals then it's not a strong return.

That's the key with this is they have to be able to sign Jonas and Delon to longer deals.

Also with Grizz beating teams now, conveying is still on the table. Dallas is done so Grizz will move ahead of them.

It's now down to how many more will the Grizz win compared to how many New Orleans and Atlanta will win.

We had offers for Gasol that included first round picks. In the end we did well in return imo even without the first. (although the 2024 second round pick is weak...)


I agree we need to re sign those two..that's been my issue with all that we gave up for a Holiday rental vs his return..and what it will cost to re sign him versus having not offered Tyreke the MLE.

Gasol however was finished here. It was time to move on. JJJ is the cornerstone. Parsons will be off the books soon. Wallace will be gone.

We have a year, maybe two left before Conley must go..but if we get the right deal sooner..and we will if we are patient..then it's time to move Mike and expedite this rebuild even more.

We need a replacement for Conley when we trade him and a dynamic wing imo. We should be able to get both of those in the next year or so, plus some good role players and picks and begin to dig ourselves out of this hole Wallace has dug for our franchise.

Go Grizzlies!

I agree with you on the Tyreke thing as he was not coming back. Grizz should've dealt him for last year.

As for Gasol. The first we were going to potentially get for him were not good. The one we would've gotten from Charlotte was more than likely going to be top 8 protected.

I never hated the deal with Toronto, but I didn't love it either.

I really don't know if the Grizz bring back Holiday.

Grizz just need assets. Picks and young players.

I still say if they end up somehow conveying this year Conley will be shipped this summer.

That's the only reason you keep Conley is to help convey the pick.

If they can convey this year then they can be just plain awful next year and start bringing in youth from the draft

830, you didn't like the Toronto trade? I can't remember. Anyway, I thought it was a great trade then and still do now. Having his RFA rights, if we can get Delon for around 3 years/$21M, that would be a good deal. Maybe start playing him less so his value doesn't go up.

And would bet Jonas is back next year, either opting in or getting a new contract from the Grizz. I agree with you about these lottery protected 1sts, they just aren't that valuable.

Did you see Marc's stat line last night? -30 in 17 minutes in their loss to the Rockets. Marc has played pretty well there, but he does have his passive nights.

(03-06-2019 12:30 PM)Tigx Wrote:  830, you didn't like the Toronto trade? I can't remember. Anyway, I thought it was a great trade then and still do now. Having his RFA rights, if we can get Delon for around 3 years/$21M, that would be a good deal. Maybe start playing him less so his value doesn't go up.

And would bet Jonas is back next year, either opting in or getting a new contract from the Grizz. I agree with you about these lottery protected 1sts, they just aren't that valuable.

Did you see Marc's stat line last night? -30 in 17 minutes in their loss to the Rockets. Marc has played pretty well there, but he does have his passive nights.

I didn't love it, but didn't hate it. I was more of a want to see how it unfolds before I judge it. I think they could've gotten a future first instead of 2024 second.

The CJ Miles part of it wasn't good either as he will for sure opt in for next year.

The key though is getting Jonas and Delon to sign longer term deals. It's doable and will likely happen, but until it's done it's a concern.

I was 100% behind getting rid of Marc. He was completely done with it here and it was just time to move on.

(03-06-2019 12:50 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:30 PM)Tigx Wrote:  830, you didn't like the Toronto trade? I can't remember. Anyway, I thought it was a great trade then and still do now. Having his RFA rights, if we can get Delon for around 3 years/$21M, that would be a good deal. Maybe start playing him less so his value doesn't go up.

And would bet Jonas is back next year, either opting in or getting a new contract from the Grizz. I agree with you about these lottery protected 1sts, they just aren't that valuable.

Did you see Marc's stat line last night? -30 in 17 minutes in their loss to the Rockets. Marc has played pretty well there, but he does have his passive nights.

I didn't love it, but didn't hate it. I was more of a want to see how it unfolds before I judge it. I think they could've gotten a future first instead of 2024 second.

The CJ Miles part of it wasn't good either as he will for sure opt in for next year.

The key though is getting Jonas and Delon to sign longer term deals. It's doable and will likely happen, but until it's done it's a concern.

I was 100% behind getting rid of Marc. He was completely done with it here and it was just time to move on.

Yep. Was very happy to get Jonas. Have always liked him and how hard he plays and how physical he is. At the trade deadline, seems we were looking at Biyombo or Cody Zeller or Andre Drummond and his awful contract, so Jonas was a great return.

CJ will be overpaid next year, but at least he can play and will have to be guarded shooting 3's. Just need to get him back to his normal high 30s 3-pt shooting %.

(03-06-2019 12:30 PM)Tigx Wrote:  830, you didn't like the Toronto trade? I can't remember. Anyway, I thought it was a great trade then and still do now. Having his RFA rights, if we can get Delon for around 3 years/$21M, that would be a good deal. Maybe start playing him less so his value doesn't go up.

And would bet Jonas is back next year, either opting in or getting a new contract from the Grizz. I agree with you about these lottery protected 1sts, they just aren't that valuable.

Did you see Marc's stat line last night? -30 in 17 minutes in their loss to the Rockets. Marc has played pretty well there, but he does have his passive nights.

So now lottery protected first round picks aren't that valuable to our franchise? We don't need them I guess, trade them away with all our second rounders, you know, the ones we don't have. (Thank you Wallace)

We should just go out and sign Kevin Durant or Anthony Davis to a free agent deal. : Sarcasm: Who needs non lottery protected first round and or second round picks anyway?

The reality is, in our market, we need all the draft picks we can get.

Go Grizzlies!