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(02-13-2019 09:55 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  "It's only a theory" still doesn't say much of anything, in and of itself. Gravity and Quantum Mechanics are only theories but have been tested and found to be accurate in every way so far. There may be tweaks needed at some point but the ability to predict the results of various experiments is really strong evidence.

I understand what you are saying but even gravity is still a mystery.

Not nick picking but Gravity and Quantum Mechanics only work in there respective areas. Gravity doesn't work on the molecular level and Quantum Mechanics don't work on a Universal scale. So then we have Sting theory to fix it all! but it doesn't.

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(02-13-2019 09:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 09:29 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 07:58 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 11:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Lesson number 3.
Notice how the educated say. Science & Facts. Notice how the uneducated say "scientific fact". Therein lies a lesson here that over the many years I have frequented this very place a new crop of undereducated pop up. I get to pull this one out of my tool belt about every four years. The guys who have been around for awhile know it well and have witnessed the pelts that I have on my wall. They never quote scientific facts because they have chose to become educated on this very topic. Hopefully you to Badger can rise from your lowly state. When we know better we do better.
There is NO SUCH THING AS A SCIENTIFIC FACT. This isn't math. There are no scientific proofs. The gold standard is the "Theory". That is the absolute best you can do. A scientific theory has never been disproven. Theories have been revised and reworded yes but a scientific theory has never been disproven or it is no longer a theory. The undereducated who Trump so dearly loves get this word confused with hypothesis because of cop shows on TV. The detective says. "I have a theory on who committed the crime" If I could go back in time I would go to Hollywood and tell every creative writer on every TV show to use the word. Hypothesis. Hypotheses can be wrong.
Did that clear that up Badger? Be better.
Believe it or not, I completely agree with you.
There is no such thing as scientific fact or proofs, only theories.
So I'll remember you think this way the next time one of the global/climate/warming/change people INSIST that it's "settled science" and that there's no room for discussion or debate.
It's only a theory, not a fact.
You should be saying, it's only a hypothesis not a fact. A theory is the gold standard! It's never been disproven. A theory is the best that we have in science.
You would never say....... It's only a theory..........
that's a blinking Neon sign that you are undereducated and probably a Trump voter.

So how is global warming/climate change/whatever you want to call it "settled science"? How does science ever become "settled"?

lol, that's gonna leave a mark.
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(02-13-2019 09:39 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 05:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 02:49 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Bullet.

That life begins at conception is a belief. An opinion. No consensus on when life begins.

Again, denying science.

There is no other line but fertilization.

When it becomes "human" is an opinion.

That makes sense. And I don't think there's any one good answer on the "human" part - or should I say, a separate human, apart from the mother. We can come up with an arbitrary dividing line, and that's about it.
That's the real issue in abortion and nobody talks about it. "A woman has a right to control her own body." "Murder is wrong."
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(02-13-2019 07:58 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 11:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Lesson number 3.


Notice how the educated say. Science & Facts. Notice how the uneducated say "scientific fact". Therein lies a lesson here that over the many years I have frequented this very place a new crop of undereducated pop up. I get to pull this one out of my tool belt about every four years. The guys who have been around for awhile know it well and have witnessed the pelts that I have on my wall. They never quote scientific facts because they have chose to become educated on this very topic. Hopefully you to Badger can rise from your lowly state. When we know better we do better.

There is NO SUCH THING AS A SCIENTIFIC FACT. This isn't math. There are no scientific proofs. The gold standard is the "Theory". That is the absolute best you can do. A scientific theory has never been disproven. Theories have been revised and reworded yes but a scientific theory has never been disproven or it is no longer a theory. The undereducated who Trump so dearly loves get this word confused with hypothesis because of cop shows on TV. The detective says. "I have a theory on who committed the crime" If I could go back in time I would go to Hollywood and tell every creative writer on every TV show to use the word. Hypothesis. Hypotheses can be wrong.

Did that clear that up Badger? Be better.

Believe it or not, I completely agree with you.

There is no such thing as scientific fact or proofs, only theories.

So I'll remember you think this way the next time one of the global/climate/warming/change people INSIST that it's "settled science" and that there's no room for discussion or debate.

It's only a theory, not a fact.


Thank you.

Been looking for a good time to point that fallacy out, you beat me to it.

Seems some truths are more truthful than other truths...
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(02-13-2019 09:29 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 07:58 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 11:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Lesson number 3.


Notice how the educated say. Science & Facts. Notice how the uneducated say "scientific fact". Therein lies a lesson here that over the many years I have frequented this very place a new crop of undereducated pop up. I get to pull this one out of my tool belt about every four years. The guys who have been around for awhile know it well and have witnessed the pelts that I have on my wall. They never quote scientific facts because they have chose to become educated on this very topic. Hopefully you to Badger can rise from your lowly state. When we know better we do better.

There is NO SUCH THING AS A SCIENTIFIC FACT. This isn't math. There are no scientific proofs. The gold standard is the "Theory". That is the absolute best you can do. A scientific theory has never been disproven. Theories have been revised and reworded yes but a scientific theory has never been disproven or it is no longer a theory. The undereducated who Trump so dearly loves get this word confused with hypothesis because of cop shows on TV. The detective says. "I have a theory on who committed the crime" If I could go back in time I would go to Hollywood and tell every creative writer on every TV show to use the word. Hypothesis. Hypotheses can be wrong.

Did that clear that up Badger? Be better.

Believe it or not, I completely agree with you.

There is no such thing as scientific fact or proofs, only theories.

So I'll remember you think this way the next time one of the global/climate/warming/change people INSIST that it's "settled science" and that there's no room for discussion or debate.

It's only a theory, not a fact.


You should be saying, it's only a hypothesis not a fact. A theory is the gold standard! It's never been disproven. A theory is the best that we have in science.

You would never say....... It's only a theory..........

that's a blinking Neon sign that you are undereducated and probably a Trump voter.


Freaking synonyms. Conjecture, hypothesis, supposition whatever.

Try to make a point on the merits, not the semantics.
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(02-13-2019 09:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 09:29 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 07:58 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 11:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Lesson number 3.
Notice how the educated say. Science & Facts. Notice how the uneducated say "scientific fact". Therein lies a lesson here that over the many years I have frequented this very place a new crop of undereducated pop up. I get to pull this one out of my tool belt about every four years. The guys who have been around for awhile know it well and have witnessed the pelts that I have on my wall. They never quote scientific facts because they have chose to become educated on this very topic. Hopefully you to Badger can rise from your lowly state. When we know better we do better.
There is NO SUCH THING AS A SCIENTIFIC FACT. This isn't math. There are no scientific proofs. The gold standard is the "Theory". That is the absolute best you can do. A scientific theory has never been disproven. Theories have been revised and reworded yes but a scientific theory has never been disproven or it is no longer a theory. The undereducated who Trump so dearly loves get this word confused with hypothesis because of cop shows on TV. The detective says. "I have a theory on who committed the crime" If I could go back in time I would go to Hollywood and tell every creative writer on every TV show to use the word. Hypothesis. Hypotheses can be wrong.
Did that clear that up Badger? Be better.
Believe it or not, I completely agree with you.
There is no such thing as scientific fact or proofs, only theories.
So I'll remember you think this way the next time one of the global/climate/warming/change people INSIST that it's "settled science" and that there's no room for discussion or debate.
It's only a theory, not a fact.
You should be saying, it's only a hypothesis not a fact. A theory is the gold standard! It's never been disproven. A theory is the best that we have in science.
You would never say....... It's only a theory..........
that's a blinking Neon sign that you are undereducated and probably a Trump voter.

So how is global warming/climate change/whatever you want to call it "settled science"? How does science ever become "settled"?


Never.

We still don’t even know what we don’t know.

It’s akin to the old story about the patent office guy in the late 1800’s, “everything that can be invented has been invented”.

That’s about where we are today. Just on the starting line.

http://4thefirsttime.blogspot.com/2007/0...o.html?m=1

MUH SETTLED SCIENCE THEORIES!
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Ohhh you guys are a complete mess.

It's called "The Greenhouse Theory".

Look it up. Educate yourself.
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(02-13-2019 10:57 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Ohhh you guys are a complete mess.
It's called "The Greenhouse Theory".
Look it up. Educate yourself.

It's a theory. That means it has not been disproved. That dies not mean it is "settled." Science is inherently never "settled."

And the science of what will happen in 2119 cannot possibly become "settled" until 2119.

I understand the difference between theory and hypothesis. Neither has been proved. Neither is "settled."
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A hypothesis can graduate into a Theory. A well established theory that has been reproduced and tested many times over becomes a theory. A theory is settled. Go on and try to disprove a theory. You might win an award or you might spin your wheels. My advice is you climb on the back of giants and when they tell you it's settled it is just that.

The easiest way charlatans fool you guys is with this debate and for some reason you guys are abnormally susceptible to it.

They did the exact same things with cigarettes are not dangerous for you.
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A THEORY is as rock solid GOLD as you can get...................

speaking of rock solid gold.........

This is like when Trump says. hey look at that snowball. Wish we had some of that global warming.

You guys giggle and repeat it and make posts about it on here. That's a "settled" observation.
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(02-13-2019 11:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  A hypothesis can graduate into a Theory. A well established theory that has been reproduced and tested many times over becomes a theory. A theory is settled. Go on and try to disprove a theory. You might win an award or you might spin your wheels. My advice is you climb on the back of giants and when they tell you it's settled it is just that.

The easiest way charlatans fool you guys is with this debate and for some reason you guys are abnormally susceptible to it.

They did the exact same things with cigarettes are not dangerous for you.


I........still...........cant............do..........it

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(02-13-2019 11:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  A hypothesis can graduate into a Theory. A well established theory that has been reproduced and tested many times over becomes a theory. A theory is settled. Go on and try to disprove a theory. You might win an award or you might spin your wheels. My advice is you climb on the back of giants and when they tell you it's settled it is just that.
The easiest way charlatans fool you guys is with this debate and for some reason you guys are abnormally susceptible to it.
They did the exact same things with cigarettes are not dangerous for you.

So where have we "reproduced and tested many times" the global warming theory? Do you mean those climate models that have not proved to be very accurate?

And in particular, where have we "reproduced and tested many times" what global temperatures are going to be in 2020?
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WTF is this thread? 95% of it has zero to do with Arizona.

Here's a reminder of what an Arizona democratic senator looks like. So, in the event Kelly wins, we'll go from one moderate that pretends to be MAGA on the trail to another moderate that pretends to be a progressive.


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(02-13-2019 09:29 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 07:58 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 11:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Lesson number 3.


Notice how the educated say. Science & Facts. Notice how the uneducated say "scientific fact". Therein lies a lesson here that over the many years I have frequented this very place a new crop of undereducated pop up. I get to pull this one out of my tool belt about every four years. The guys who have been around for awhile know it well and have witnessed the pelts that I have on my wall. They never quote scientific facts because they have chose to become educated on this very topic. Hopefully you to Badger can rise from your lowly state. When we know better we do better.

There is NO SUCH THING AS A SCIENTIFIC FACT. This isn't math. There are no scientific proofs. The gold standard is the "Theory". That is the absolute best you can do. A scientific theory has never been disproven. Theories have been revised and reworded yes but a scientific theory has never been disproven or it is no longer a theory. The undereducated who Trump so dearly loves get this word confused with hypothesis because of cop shows on TV. The detective says. "I have a theory on who committed the crime" If I could go back in time I would go to Hollywood and tell every creative writer on every TV show to use the word. Hypothesis. Hypotheses can be wrong.

Did that clear that up Badger? Be better.

Believe it or not, I completely agree with you.

There is no such thing as scientific fact or proofs, only theories.

So I'll remember you think this way the next time one of the global/climate/warming/change people INSIST that it's "settled science" and that there's no room for discussion or debate.

It's only a theory, not a fact.


You should be saying, it's only a hypothesis not a fact. A theory is the gold standard! It's never been disproven. A theory is the best that we have in science.

You would never say....... It's only a theory..........

that's a blinking Neon sign that you are undereducated and probably a Trump voter.

It's never been PROVEN either.

It's just an "accepted" explanation for set of factors.

Considering there have been many "theories" than have been dismissed in the past after further investigation, it's perfectly acceptable to say it's only a theory.

BTW, "best" doesn't equal correct, merely the best guess we have at this time.
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(02-13-2019 11:34 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 11:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  A hypothesis can graduate into a Theory. A well established theory that has been reproduced and tested many times over becomes a theory. A theory is settled. Go on and try to disprove a theory. You might win an award or you might spin your wheels. My advice is you climb on the back of giants and when they tell you it's settled it is just that.
The easiest way charlatans fool you guys is with this debate and for some reason you guys are abnormally susceptible to it.
They did the exact same things with cigarettes are not dangerous for you.

So where have we "reproduced and tested many times" the global warming theory? Do you mean those climate models that have not proved to be very accurate?

And in particular, where have we "reproduced and tested many times" what global temperatures are going to be in 2020?


Again,

IT'S NOT GLOBAL WARMING THEORY..............

It's greenhouse theory and it's been reproduced many many many times. it's the reason your parked car can be warm inside if it's 0 degrees outside as long as it's sunny.
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(02-13-2019 12:31 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 09:29 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 07:58 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 11:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Lesson number 3.


Notice how the educated say. Science & Facts. Notice how the uneducated say "scientific fact". Therein lies a lesson here that over the many years I have frequented this very place a new crop of undereducated pop up. I get to pull this one out of my tool belt about every four years. The guys who have been around for awhile know it well and have witnessed the pelts that I have on my wall. They never quote scientific facts because they have chose to become educated on this very topic. Hopefully you to Badger can rise from your lowly state. When we know better we do better.

There is NO SUCH THING AS A SCIENTIFIC FACT. This isn't math. There are no scientific proofs. The gold standard is the "Theory". That is the absolute best you can do. A scientific theory has never been disproven. Theories have been revised and reworded yes but a scientific theory has never been disproven or it is no longer a theory. The undereducated who Trump so dearly loves get this word confused with hypothesis because of cop shows on TV. The detective says. "I have a theory on who committed the crime" If I could go back in time I would go to Hollywood and tell every creative writer on every TV show to use the word. Hypothesis. Hypotheses can be wrong.

Did that clear that up Badger? Be better.

Believe it or not, I completely agree with you.

There is no such thing as scientific fact or proofs, only theories.

So I'll remember you think this way the next time one of the global/climate/warming/change people INSIST that it's "settled science" and that there's no room for discussion or debate.

It's only a theory, not a fact.


You should be saying, it's only a hypothesis not a fact. A theory is the gold standard! It's never been disproven. A theory is the best that we have in science.

You would never say....... It's only a theory..........

that's a blinking Neon sign that you are undereducated and probably a Trump voter.

It's never been PROVEN either.

It's just an "accepted" explanation for set of factors.

Considering there have been many "theories" than have been dismissed in the past after further investigation, it's perfectly acceptable to say it's only a theory.

BTW, "best" doesn't equal correct, merely the best guess we have at this time.


In regards to the "many theories have been dismissed"
I've actually looked this up. You should do it yourself. I think you will be surprised.
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(02-13-2019 12:43 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 12:31 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 09:29 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 07:58 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 11:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Lesson number 3.


Notice how the educated say. Science & Facts. Notice how the uneducated say "scientific fact". Therein lies a lesson here that over the many years I have frequented this very place a new crop of undereducated pop up. I get to pull this one out of my tool belt about every four years. The guys who have been around for awhile know it well and have witnessed the pelts that I have on my wall. They never quote scientific facts because they have chose to become educated on this very topic. Hopefully you to Badger can rise from your lowly state. When we know better we do better.

There is NO SUCH THING AS A SCIENTIFIC FACT. This isn't math. There are no scientific proofs. The gold standard is the "Theory". That is the absolute best you can do. A scientific theory has never been disproven. Theories have been revised and reworded yes but a scientific theory has never been disproven or it is no longer a theory. The undereducated who Trump so dearly loves get this word confused with hypothesis because of cop shows on TV. The detective says. "I have a theory on who committed the crime" If I could go back in time I would go to Hollywood and tell every creative writer on every TV show to use the word. Hypothesis. Hypotheses can be wrong.

Did that clear that up Badger? Be better.

Believe it or not, I completely agree with you.

There is no such thing as scientific fact or proofs, only theories.

So I'll remember you think this way the next time one of the global/climate/warming/change people INSIST that it's "settled science" and that there's no room for discussion or debate.

It's only a theory, not a fact.


You should be saying, it's only a hypothesis not a fact. A theory is the gold standard! It's never been disproven. A theory is the best that we have in science.

You would never say....... It's only a theory..........

that's a blinking Neon sign that you are undereducated and probably a Trump voter.

It's never been PROVEN either.

It's just an "accepted" explanation for set of factors.

Considering there have been many "theories" than have been dismissed in the past after further investigation, it's perfectly acceptable to say it's only a theory.

BTW, "best" doesn't equal correct, merely the best guess we have at this time.


In regards to the "many theories have been dismissed"
I've actually looked this up. You should do it yourself. I think you will be surprised.

still..................cant....................do.............it! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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