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(02-14-2019 05:47 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Lots of bitter, jealous little brothers on this thread who are angry that UT doesn’t care at all about the annual series with them but came hat in hand to A&M asking to make amends for when they ended the series but now want a second chance.

It’s understandable

But you never give the crazy ex a second chance

Fortunately the leaders of both schools could care less about you or your opinions.
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Oklahoma and Kansas to the Big Ten could trigger a couple of things regarding the Texas schools:

A reunion of the 3 big public schools in the SEC

A restock of the Big 12 that includes Houston.

In option 1 Texas could maintain their pan-Texas presence by signing Baylor, TCU, Rice, SMU etc to 2-for-1s.
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(02-14-2019 06:08 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
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(02-13-2019 06:33 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 02:00 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  It will die in committee

UT just got done begging us to reinstate it

We said no

That’s that.

You sure do like to type in absolutes about a school (A&M) you never attended. Lets see if we can bring this back into reality??

I found these 2 little nuggets that should help you change your tune. I'm doubtful.

1st nugget from the BCS Eagle on Jan 25th 2019
https://www.myaggienation.com/am_news/te...2eb0f.html

Both the President of A&M and UT are open to renewing the series. If the Presidents want it, the State lege will have no issue moving this forward. So not as dead as you suggest.

2nd nugget and it's HUGE. A&M needs $55 million dollars to close the student "equity" funding between A&M and UT.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/12/...-funds-ut/

Quote:While lawmakers try to revive a rivalry football game between the state’s flagship institutions, a different contest between the University of Texas at Austin and Texas A&M University began to play out Tuesday, when A&M’s president asked lawmakers for more than $50 million to bring the school’s per-student funding closer to UT’s.

Quote:At the moment our challenge is, with our per-student funding going down, it will become very hard to sustain this,” Young said. The school might have to consider shrinking the student body of the university or making other accommodations based on the “resources that we have available,” he said.

In 2017, when most public colleges were threatened with funding cuts, UT was granted a $55 million “hold harmless” payment to ensure the school’s allocation was at least held flat. While colleges are not expected to face the same slashes this budget cycle, institutions that received hold harmless funding, like UT-Austin, had those line items maintained.

Quote:At one point during the hearing, John Sharp, chancellor of the A&M System said: “Something has to give there."

“Either we've got to come down in our enrollment pretty substantially or something has to change," he said.

1 of 2 things could potentially happen here:
1. State Lege agrees to the increased funding if A&M plays UT annually
2. If the A&M says NO or the state denies their funding request, A&M's student enrollment could decrease but that might create more t-shirt fans who end up at another school and then bash the conference their current school resides in. Not sure which is worse, more A&M grads or T-shirt Aggie fans??

1 thing I'm sure of, A&M needs the help of the State Legislature which is filled with UT grads who might enjoy seeing UT play their little brother again.

This could be eerily familiar to the funding A&M got when they wanted Reed Arena. Need money from the state but need UT and Tech's help

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/...971434.php

Quote:Clayton said in a 2004 interview that Bullock told him, "Texas Tech and Baylor and Texas are going to the Big 12, and you need to be with us.' And I said, 'Bob, I understand that, but we're going to the SEC.'

"We kept going until finally, Bullock says, 'Clayton, what the hell would it take for you to go with us?' And I said, 'Bob, now you're talking more my language.' "

Bullock agreed to concessions that would benefit A&M, including an agreement that led to the construction of Reed Arena, and by the end of the six-hour meeting that day, the Big 12 was a done deal - and the SWC was history.

Thankfully Rick Perry is no longer Governor of Texas. The Aggies will need help from the 2 schools they ran away from and no longer want to associate with.

I absolutely freaking love it.

What's 55 million to A&M? Isn't that less than Jimbo's contract? 10 years for 75 million? It sounds to me like an issue of priorities.

2 separate issues. The school needs 55 million so they can keep up UT per capita student spending which comes from the state of Texas. The $75 million contract they gave Jimbo is funded by the Athletic Department( Donors, TV Revenue, AD Revenue etc).

IIRC, Universities in Texas can't use state or endowment money to pay coaches,
fund stadium renovations etc.

Uhm, you are very slow on picking up on sarcasm!
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(02-14-2019 08:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 06:08 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 11:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 06:33 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 02:00 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  It will die in committee

UT just got done begging us to reinstate it

We said no

That’s that.

You sure do like to type in absolutes about a school (A&M) you never attended. Lets see if we can bring this back into reality??

I found these 2 little nuggets that should help you change your tune. I'm doubtful.

1st nugget from the BCS Eagle on Jan 25th 2019
https://www.myaggienation.com/am_news/te...2eb0f.html

Both the President of A&M and UT are open to renewing the series. If the Presidents want it, the State lege will have no issue moving this forward. So not as dead as you suggest.

2nd nugget and it's HUGE. A&M needs $55 million dollars to close the student "equity" funding between A&M and UT.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/12/...-funds-ut/

Quote:While lawmakers try to revive a rivalry football game between the state’s flagship institutions, a different contest between the University of Texas at Austin and Texas A&M University began to play out Tuesday, when A&M’s president asked lawmakers for more than $50 million to bring the school’s per-student funding closer to UT’s.

Quote:At the moment our challenge is, with our per-student funding going down, it will become very hard to sustain this,” Young said. The school might have to consider shrinking the student body of the university or making other accommodations based on the “resources that we have available,” he said.

In 2017, when most public colleges were threatened with funding cuts, UT was granted a $55 million “hold harmless” payment to ensure the school’s allocation was at least held flat. While colleges are not expected to face the same slashes this budget cycle, institutions that received hold harmless funding, like UT-Austin, had those line items maintained.

Quote:At one point during the hearing, John Sharp, chancellor of the A&M System said: “Something has to give there."

“Either we've got to come down in our enrollment pretty substantially or something has to change," he said.

1 of 2 things could potentially happen here:
1. State Lege agrees to the increased funding if A&M plays UT annually
2. If the A&M says NO or the state denies their funding request, A&M's student enrollment could decrease but that might create more t-shirt fans who end up at another school and then bash the conference their current school resides in. Not sure which is worse, more A&M grads or T-shirt Aggie fans??

1 thing I'm sure of, A&M needs the help of the State Legislature which is filled with UT grads who might enjoy seeing UT play their little brother again.

This could be eerily familiar to the funding A&M got when they wanted Reed Arena. Need money from the state but need UT and Tech's help

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/...971434.php

Quote:Clayton said in a 2004 interview that Bullock told him, "Texas Tech and Baylor and Texas are going to the Big 12, and you need to be with us.' And I said, 'Bob, I understand that, but we're going to the SEC.'

"We kept going until finally, Bullock says, 'Clayton, what the hell would it take for you to go with us?' And I said, 'Bob, now you're talking more my language.' "

Bullock agreed to concessions that would benefit A&M, including an agreement that led to the construction of Reed Arena, and by the end of the six-hour meeting that day, the Big 12 was a done deal - and the SWC was history.

Thankfully Rick Perry is no longer Governor of Texas. The Aggies will need help from the 2 schools they ran away from and no longer want to associate with.

I absolutely freaking love it.

What's 55 million to A&M? Isn't that less than Jimbo's contract? 10 years for 75 million? It sounds to me like an issue of priorities.

2 separate issues. The school needs 55 million so they can keep up UT per capita student spending which comes from the state of Texas. The $75 million contract they gave Jimbo is funded by the Athletic Department( Donors, TV Revenue, AD Revenue etc).

IIRC, Universities in Texas can't use state or endowment money to pay coaches,
fund stadium renovations etc.

Uhm, you are very slow on picking up on sarcasm!

I'll learn but the red carpet hasn't exactly been rolled out from you or 10th. Just sayin.

I hope 1 day I can post on the SEC site.04-cheers
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(02-14-2019 09:16 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 08:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 06:08 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 11:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 06:33 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  You sure do like to type in absolutes about a school (A&M) you never attended. Lets see if we can bring this back into reality??

I found these 2 little nuggets that should help you change your tune. I'm doubtful.

1st nugget from the BCS Eagle on Jan 25th 2019
https://www.myaggienation.com/am_news/te...2eb0f.html

Both the President of A&M and UT are open to renewing the series. If the Presidents want it, the State lege will have no issue moving this forward. So not as dead as you suggest.

2nd nugget and it's HUGE. A&M needs $55 million dollars to close the student "equity" funding between A&M and UT.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/12/...-funds-ut/




1 of 2 things could potentially happen here:
1. State Lege agrees to the increased funding if A&M plays UT annually
2. If the A&M says NO or the state denies their funding request, A&M's student enrollment could decrease but that might create more t-shirt fans who end up at another school and then bash the conference their current school resides in. Not sure which is worse, more A&M grads or T-shirt Aggie fans??

1 thing I'm sure of, A&M needs the help of the State Legislature which is filled with UT grads who might enjoy seeing UT play their little brother again.

This could be eerily familiar to the funding A&M got when they wanted Reed Arena. Need money from the state but need UT and Tech's help

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/...971434.php


Thankfully Rick Perry is no longer Governor of Texas. The Aggies will need help from the 2 schools they ran away from and no longer want to associate with.

I absolutely freaking love it.

What's 55 million to A&M? Isn't that less than Jimbo's contract? 10 years for 75 million? It sounds to me like an issue of priorities.

2 separate issues. The school needs 55 million so they can keep up UT per capita student spending which comes from the state of Texas. The $75 million contract they gave Jimbo is funded by the Athletic Department( Donors, TV Revenue, AD Revenue etc).

IIRC, Universities in Texas can't use state or endowment money to pay coaches,
fund stadium renovations etc.

Uhm, you are very slow on picking up on sarcasm!

I'll learn but the red carpet hasn't exactly been rolled out from you or 10th. Just sayin.

I hope 1 day I can post on the SEC site.04-cheers

Hold your breath!

It’ll be any second now that mighty Texas Tech gets a P4 conference all by itself with zero reliance on being political baggage!
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(02-15-2019 10:35 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 09:16 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 08:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 06:08 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(02-14-2019 11:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  What's 55 million to A&M? Isn't that less than Jimbo's contract? 10 years for 75 million? It sounds to me like an issue of priorities.

2 separate issues. The school needs 55 million so they can keep up UT per capita student spending which comes from the state of Texas. The $75 million contract they gave Jimbo is funded by the Athletic Department( Donors, TV Revenue, AD Revenue etc).

IIRC, Universities in Texas can't use state or endowment money to pay coaches,
fund stadium renovations etc.

Uhm, you are very slow on picking up on sarcasm!

I'll learn but the red carpet hasn't exactly been rolled out from you or 10th. Just sayin.

I hope 1 day I can post on the SEC site.04-cheers

Hold your breath!

It’ll be any second now that mighty Texas Tech gets a P4 conference all by itself with zero reliance on being political baggage!

A&M only got in the SEC with a Texas A&M Governor who didn't have the balls to call the Texas Legislature into session. IIRC, the SEC had to wait for A&M until Baylor decided they weren't going to sue.

I bet you fear Tech in the SEC while TCU is relegated to the MWC. No offense to true TCU students/grads who don't call the Big 12 a dumpster fire/dead conference.
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We used politics to thwart jealous little brothers trying to keep us out of the SEC, which by the way, A&M was invited to all on its own with no strings attached

Meanwhile, poor little tech quakes in fear because it knows being a political parasite firmly attached to UTs lower colon is the ONLY way it can survive and get into a P4 conference.

And yet all the horns have to do is follow our model and they can flush parasite tech down the drain if they feel like it
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(02-16-2019 09:33 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  We used politics to thwart jealous little brothers trying to keep us out of the SEC, which by the way, A&M was invited to all on its own with no strings attached

Meanwhile, poor little tech quakes in fear because it knows being a political parasite firmly attached to UTs lower colon is the ONLY way it can survive and get into a P4 conference.

And yet all the horns have to do is follow our model and they can flush parasite tech down the drain if they feel like it

I didn't think A&M fans cared 1 way or the other bout little ole Texas Tech but you sure do have an enormous unhealthy obsession for a school that you don't care about.

I wish you and TCU all the best but I suggest you get some help for that Tech obsession.
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Well let’s put this theory of yours to the test:

I’ll bet I can go longer not saying anything about either Texas Tech or the Big 12 than you can without saying anything about Texas A&M or the SEC

Care to take me up on it?
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(02-16-2019 06:46 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Well let’s put this theory of yours to the test:

I’ll bet I can go longer not saying anything about either Texas Tech or the Big 12 than you can without saying anything about Texas A&M or the SEC

Care to take me up on it?

Let's do it. Starting today 02/16/19 at 5:49pm CST.
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(02-16-2019 06:46 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Well let’s put this theory of yours to the test:

I’ll bet I can go longer not saying anything about either Texas Tech or the Big 12 than you can without saying anything about Texas A&M or the SEC

Care to take me up on it?

Let's do it. Starting today 02/16/19 at 5:49pm CST.

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(02-14-2019 11:20 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 06:33 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(02-13-2019 02:00 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  It will die in committee

UT just got done begging us to reinstate it

We said no

That’s that.

You sure do like to type in absolutes about a school (A&M) you never attended. Lets see if we can bring this back into reality??

I found these 2 little nuggets that should help you change your tune. I'm doubtful.

1st nugget from the BCS Eagle on Jan 25th 2019
https://www.myaggienation.com/am_news/te...2eb0f.html

Both the President of A&M and UT are open to renewing the series. If the Presidents want it, the State lege will have no issue moving this forward. So not as dead as you suggest.

2nd nugget and it's HUGE. A&M needs $55 million dollars to close the student "equity" funding between A&M and UT.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/12/...-funds-ut/

Quote:While lawmakers try to revive a rivalry football game between the state’s flagship institutions, a different contest between the University of Texas at Austin and Texas A&M University began to play out Tuesday, when A&M’s president asked lawmakers for more than $50 million to bring the school’s per-student funding closer to UT’s.

Quote:At the moment our challenge is, with our per-student funding going down, it will become very hard to sustain this,” Young said. The school might have to consider shrinking the student body of the university or making other accommodations based on the “resources that we have available,” he said.

In 2017, when most public colleges were threatened with funding cuts, UT was granted a $55 million “hold harmless” payment to ensure the school’s allocation was at least held flat. While colleges are not expected to face the same slashes this budget cycle, institutions that received hold harmless funding, like UT-Austin, had those line items maintained.

Quote:At one point during the hearing, John Sharp, chancellor of the A&M System said: “Something has to give there."

“Either we've got to come down in our enrollment pretty substantially or something has to change," he said.

1 of 2 things could potentially happen here:
1. State Lege agrees to the increased funding if A&M plays UT annually
2. If the A&M says NO or the state denies their funding request, A&M's student enrollment could decrease but that might create more t-shirt fans who end up at another school and then bash the conference their current school resides in. Not sure which is worse, more A&M grads or T-shirt Aggie fans??

1 thing I'm sure of, A&M needs the help of the State Legislature which is filled with UT grads who might enjoy seeing UT play their little brother again.

This could be eerily familiar to the funding A&M got when they wanted Reed Arena. Need money from the state but need UT and Tech's help

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/...971434.php

Quote:Clayton said in a 2004 interview that Bullock told him, "Texas Tech and Baylor and Texas are going to the Big 12, and you need to be with us.' And I said, 'Bob, I understand that, but we're going to the SEC.'

"We kept going until finally, Bullock says, 'Clayton, what the hell would it take for you to go with us?' And I said, 'Bob, now you're talking more my language.' "

Bullock agreed to concessions that would benefit A&M, including an agreement that led to the construction of Reed Arena, and by the end of the six-hour meeting that day, the Big 12 was a done deal - and the SWC was history.

Thankfully Rick Perry is no longer Governor of Texas. The Aggies will need help from the 2 schools they ran away from and no longer want to associate with.

I absolutely freaking love it.

What's 55 million to A&M? Isn't that less than Jimbo's contract? 10 years for 75 million? It sounds to me like an issue of priorities.

A&M bumped up their enrollment in response to Rick Perry's pressure after keeping it around 45k for a couple decades.
UT held firm at 50k, thinking their quality would decline if they got any bigger.

Rick Perry is gone, but if A&M tries to go back, there would likely be considerable legislative pressure on them.
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(02-14-2019 05:47 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Lots of bitter, jealous little brothers on this thread who are angry that UT doesn’t care at all about the annual series with them but came hat in hand to A&M asking to make amends for when they ended the series but now want a second chance.

It’s understandable

But you never give the crazy ex a second chance

Fortunately the leaders of both schools could care less about you or your opinions.

Most Longhorn fans have no interest.
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(02-16-2019 09:33 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  We used politics to thwart jealous little brothers trying to keep us out of the SEC, which by the way, A&M was invited to all on its own with no strings attached

Meanwhile, poor little tech quakes in fear because it knows being a political parasite firmly attached to UTs lower colon is the ONLY way it can survive and get into a P4 conference.

And yet all the horns have to do is follow our model and they can flush parasite tech down the drain if they feel like it

I didn't think A&M fans cared 1 way or the other bout little ole Texas Tech but you sure do have an enormous unhealthy obsession for a school that you don't care about.

I wish you and TCU all the best but I suggest you get some help for that Tech obsession.

Oddly enough, the A&M president said he left the Big 12 to get away from Texas Tech. They said they had done studies and nobody outside of Texas saw any difference in A&M and Tech, Houston, UTEP, UNT, etc.
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