(02-11-2019 03:21 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I think it was too soon in 2014, given the complete lack of talent he inherited from Patton. It looks like what we have this year is as good as it's going to get though. Our best players continue to have trouble staying on the court, or they transfer. I'm not optimistic we'll win more than a couple games the rest of the way.
You could certainly argue that Monty would have an easier time, at least at home, if we were able to get more fans in there. The team hasn't been terrible since the first few years after Patton left. Decent enough to get more fans.

So it's the fault of Huskie fans instead of Monty that the team isn't winning?
You believe "2014 was too soon", so you think the next four years getting us to "as good as it's going to get" level is worth the thousands he's been paid, lack of disciplined play, the loss of fans, inconceivable offense, etc.? If you're right saying the "best players continued to have trouble staying on the court, or they transfer," WHOSE FAULT IS THAT? Obviously the decline in attendance contradicts your thinking that the last few years have been "decent enough to get more fans." Exactly how low are your standards if not even sniffing the MAC semis let alone the finals, or an NCAA berth is okay? Once again, how was it possible for the program not to improve after Patton? Fine forget 2014, 2015, 2016, etc.; none of STF's extensions were necessary or warranted, so now is the time to cut the losses literally and figuratively.

Don't bother comparing NIU and Nebraska because basketball in the MAC and B1G are apples and kumquats. Not to mention Miles (be it thanks to having ex-NIU head coach Jim Molinari as an assistant) was able to recruit Isiah Roby out of our backyard (Dixon).

(02-11-2019 05:33 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 03:21 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I think it was too soon in 2014, given the complete lack of talent he inherited from Patton. It looks like what we have this year is as good as it's going to get though. Our best players continue to have trouble staying on the court, or they transfer. I'm not optimistic we'll win more than a couple games the rest of the way.
You could certainly argue that Monty would have an easier time, at least at home, if we were able to get more fans in there. The team hasn't been terrible since the first few years after Patton left. Decent enough to get more fans.

So it's the fault of Huskie fans instead of Monty that the team isn't winning?
You believe "2014 was too soon", so you think the next four years getting us to "as good as it's going to get" level is worth the thousands he's been paid, lack of disciplined play, the loss of fans, inconceivable offense, etc.? If you're right saying the "best players continued to have trouble staying on the court, or they transfer," WHOSE FAULT IS THAT? Obviously the decline in attendance contradicts your thinking that the last few years have been "decent enough to get more fans." Exactly how low are your standards if not even sniffing the MAC semis let alone the finals, or an NCAA berth is okay? Once again, how was it possible for the program not to improve after Patton? Fine forget 2014, 2015, 2016, etc.; none of STF's extensions were necessary or warranted, so now is the time to cut the losses literally and figuratively.

Don't bother comparing NIU and Nebraska because basketball in the MAC and B1G are apples and kumquats. Not to mention Miles (be it thanks to having ex-NIU head coach Jim Molinari as an assistant) was able to recruit Isiah Roby out of our backyard (Dixon).

I think it was fair to give him more time back in 2014. And I don't think you can argue that more attendance wouldn't have helped - and it wasn't very good before he got here.

That said, he kept losing our best players, and it does appear that we've reached a ceiling which consists of no winning records in conference play. For most on here, I can see where that is not good enough. I keep hoping they will improve but at this point I don't have much I can point to for optimism.

(02-11-2019 05:33 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 03:21 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I think it was too soon in 2014, given the complete lack of talent he inherited from Patton. It looks like what we have this year is as good as it's going to get though. Our best players continue to have trouble staying on the court, or they transfer. I'm not optimistic we'll win more than a couple games the rest of the way.
You could certainly argue that Monty would have an easier time, at least at home, if we were able to get more fans in there. The team hasn't been terrible since the first few years after Patton left. Decent enough to get more fans.

So it's the fault of Huskie fans instead of Monty that the team isn't winning?
You believe "2014 was too soon", so you think the next four years getting us to "as good as it's going to get" level is worth the thousands he's been paid, lack of disciplined play, the loss of fans, inconceivable offense, etc.? If you're right saying the "best players continued to have trouble staying on the court, or they transfer," WHOSE FAULT IS THAT? Obviously the decline in attendance contradicts your thinking that the last few years have been "decent enough to get more fans." Exactly how low are your standards if not even sniffing the MAC semis let alone the finals, or an NCAA berth is okay? Once again, how was it possible for the program not to improve after Patton? Fine forget 2014, 2015, 2016, etc.; none of STF's extensions were necessary or warranted, so now is the time to cut the losses literally and figuratively.

Don't bother comparing NIU and Nebraska because basketball in the MAC and B1G are apples and kumquats. Not to mention Miles (be it thanks to having ex-NIU head coach Jim Molinari as an assistant) was able to recruit Isiah Roby out of our backyard (Dixon).

We can compare the 2 based upon coaching futility. And Molinari was thought to be an offensive guru when he showed up in Lincoln. He’s offensive all right. Roby is a P5 guy. Monty could have made him homemade pies and cookies and he wouldn’t have been a Huskie

(02-11-2019 06:39 PM)62423dp Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 05:33 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 03:21 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I think it was too soon in 2014, given the complete lack of talent he inherited from Patton. It looks like what we have this year is as good as it's going to get though. Our best players continue to have trouble staying on the court, or they transfer. I'm not optimistic we'll win more than a couple games the rest of the way.
You could certainly argue that Monty would have an easier time, at least at home, if we were able to get more fans in there. The team hasn't been terrible since the first few years after Patton left. Decent enough to get more fans.

So it's the fault of Huskie fans instead of Monty that the team isn't winning?
You believe "2014 was too soon", so you think the next four years getting us to "as good as it's going to get" level is worth the thousands he's been paid, lack of disciplined play, the loss of fans, inconceivable offense, etc.? If you're right saying the "best players continued to have trouble staying on the court, or they transfer," WHOSE FAULT IS THAT? Obviously the decline in attendance contradicts your thinking that the last few years have been "decent enough to get more fans." Exactly how low are your standards if not even sniffing the MAC semis let alone the finals, or an NCAA berth is okay? Once again, how was it possible for the program not to improve after Patton? Fine forget 2014, 2015, 2016, etc.; none of STF's extensions were necessary or warranted, so now is the time to cut the losses literally and figuratively.

Don't bother comparing NIU and Nebraska because basketball in the MAC and B1G are apples and kumquats. Not to mention Miles (be it thanks to having ex-NIU head coach Jim Molinari as an assistant) was able to recruit Isiah Roby out of our backyard (Dixon).

We can compare the 2 based upon coaching futility. And Molinari was thought to be an offensive guru when he showed up in Lincoln. He’s offensive all right. Roby is a P5 guy. Monty could have made him homemade pies and cookies and he wouldn’t have been a Huskie

It's comical to see how people actually think that any coach at NIU should be out recruiting B1G schools and other P5 programs simply because a kid lives in Chicago or some place relatively close like Dixon when the kid is a 4* (possibly a 3.5*) recruit.

(02-11-2019 07:54 PM)Big Red Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 06:39 PM)62423dp Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 05:33 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 03:21 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I think it was too soon in 2014, given the complete lack of talent he inherited from Patton. It looks like what we have this year is as good as it's going to get though. Our best players continue to have trouble staying on the court, or they transfer. I'm not optimistic we'll win more than a couple games the rest of the way.
You could certainly argue that Monty would have an easier time, at least at home, if we were able to get more fans in there. The team hasn't been terrible since the first few years after Patton left. Decent enough to get more fans.

So it's the fault of Huskie fans instead of Monty that the team isn't winning?
You believe "2014 was too soon", so you think the next four years getting us to "as good as it's going to get" level is worth the thousands he's been paid, lack of disciplined play, the loss of fans, inconceivable offense, etc.? If you're right saying the "best players continued to have trouble staying on the court, or they transfer," WHOSE FAULT IS THAT? Obviously the decline in attendance contradicts your thinking that the last few years have been "decent enough to get more fans." Exactly how low are your standards if not even sniffing the MAC semis let alone the finals, or an NCAA berth is okay? Once again, how was it possible for the program not to improve after Patton? Fine forget 2014, 2015, 2016, etc.; none of STF's extensions were necessary or warranted, so now is the time to cut the losses literally and figuratively.

Don't bother comparing NIU and Nebraska because basketball in the MAC and B1G are apples and kumquats. Not to mention Miles (be it thanks to having ex-NIU head coach Jim Molinari as an assistant) was able to recruit Isiah Roby out of our backyard (Dixon).

We can compare the 2 based upon coaching futility. And Molinari was thought to be an offensive guru when he showed up in Lincoln. He’s offensive all right. Roby is a P5 guy. Monty could have made him homemade pies and cookies and he wouldn’t have been a Huskie

It's comical to see how people actually think that any coach at NIU should be out recruiting B1G schools and other P5 programs simply because a kid lives in Chicago or some place relatively close like Dixon when the kid is a 4* (possibly a 3.5*) recruit.

Agree 100%

(02-11-2019 07:54 PM)Big Red Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 06:39 PM)62423dp Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 05:33 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 03:21 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I think it was too soon in 2014, given the complete lack of talent he inherited from Patton. It looks like what we have this year is as good as it's going to get though. Our best players continue to have trouble staying on the court, or they transfer. I'm not optimistic we'll win more than a couple games the rest of the way.
You could certainly argue that Monty would have an easier time, at least at home, if we were able to get more fans in there. The team hasn't been terrible since the first few years after Patton left. Decent enough to get more fans.

So it's the fault of Huskie fans instead of Monty that the team isn't winning?
You believe "2014 was too soon", so you think the next four years getting us to "as good as it's going to get" level is worth the thousands he's been paid, lack of disciplined play, the loss of fans, inconceivable offense, etc.? If you're right saying the "best players continued to have trouble staying on the court, or they transfer," WHOSE FAULT IS THAT? Obviously the decline in attendance contradicts your thinking that the last few years have been "decent enough to get more fans." Exactly how low are your standards if not even sniffing the MAC semis let alone the finals, or an NCAA berth is okay? Once again, how was it possible for the program not to improve after Patton? Fine forget 2014, 2015, 2016, etc.; none of STF's extensions were necessary or warranted, so now is the time to cut the losses literally and figuratively.

Don't bother comparing NIU and Nebraska because basketball in the MAC and B1G are apples and kumquats. Not to mention Miles (be it thanks to having ex-NIU head coach Jim Molinari as an assistant) was able to recruit Isiah Roby out of our backyard (Dixon).

We can compare the 2 based upon coaching futility. And Molinari was thought to be an offensive guru when he showed up in Lincoln. He’s offensive all right. Roby is a P5 guy. Monty could have made him homemade pies and cookies and he wouldn’t have been a Huskie

It's comical to see how people actually think that any coach at NIU should be out recruiting B1G schools and other P5 programs simply because a kid lives in Chicago or some place relatively close like Dixon when the kid is a 4* (possibly a 3.5*) recruit.

+1

Someone mentioned Molinari.

Molinari took Bradley to the upper half of his league 8 straight years with 1 NCAA and 5 NIT’s.

Molinari won a league title at Western Illinois. A gym you’d mistake for a garage.

He took NIU to the Holy Land with a 14-2 league clip.

Bring him home. Let him work another miracle here before he retires in 5 years.

(02-11-2019 08:57 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 07:54 PM)Big Red Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 06:39 PM)62423dp Wrote:  We can compare the 2 based upon coaching futility. And Molinari was thought to be an offensive guru when he showed up in Lincoln. He’s offensive all right. Roby is a P5 guy. Monty could have made him homemade pies and cookies and he wouldn’t have been a Huskie

It's comical to see how people actually think that any coach at NIU should be out recruiting B1G schools and other P5 programs simply because a kid lives in Chicago or some place relatively close ....

+1

Ha Ha....but was not suggesting NIU should "out-recruit" a B1G / P5 school based on proximity. However, everyone recruits this state. Thanks to two walk-ons, six Huskies are from Illinois. Except for EMU, every MAC team has someone originally from Illinois, CMU has five, WMU three, UT / KSU / Akron each have two. So there are 19 Illinois kids okay with MAC competition --- that means at least one, perhaps two, maybe three of those 19 were overlooked. Perhaps Monty's baking skills wouldn't matter but his ability to cook up a hot program does when it comes to recruiting and convincing fans to show up.
Comparing Nebraska and NIU for futility is futile considering the vast differences in budget and schedules.
Skip all that nit-picking b.s. --- is one of you arguing that it was virtually impossible for the Huskie program to get worse after Patton? Seriously, does anyone at this point look forward to the rest of this year as well as 2019-20? Made a previous post about the definition of insanity; and that is the issue! And not attendance, which is a chicken or the egg debate.

(02-11-2019 11:16 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 08:57 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 07:54 PM)Big Red Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 06:39 PM)62423dp Wrote:  We can compare the 2 based upon coaching futility. And Molinari was thought to be an offensive guru when he showed up in Lincoln. He’s offensive all right. Roby is a P5 guy. Monty could have made him homemade pies and cookies and he wouldn’t have been a Huskie

It's comical to see how people actually think that any coach at NIU should be out recruiting B1G schools and other P5 programs simply because a kid lives in Chicago or some place relatively close ....

+1

Ha Ha....but was not suggesting NIU should "out-recruit" a B1G / P5 school based on proximity. However, everyone recruits this state. Thanks to two walk-ons, six Huskies are from Illinois. Except for EMU, every MAC team has someone originally from Illinois, CMU has five, WMU three, UT / KSU / Akron each have two. So there are 19 Illinois kids okay with MAC competition --- that means at least one, perhaps two, maybe three of those 19 were overlooked. Perhaps Monty's baking skills wouldn't matter but his ability to cook up a hot program does when it comes to recruiting and convincing fans to show up.
Comparing Nebraska and NIU for futility is futile considering the vast differences in budget and schedules.
Skip all that nit-picking b.s. --- is one of you arguing that it was virtually impossible for the Huskie program to get worse after Patton? Seriously, does anyone at this point look forward to the rest of this year as well as 2019-20? Made a previous post about the definition of insanity; and that is the issue! And not attendance, which is a chicken or the egg debate.

Can I assume that you are referring to Einstein definition of insanity?
Einstein define insanity as "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".
That sure sounds like NIU's playbook on how to built a successful basketball program.

(02-11-2019 11:16 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 08:57 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 07:54 PM)Big Red Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 06:39 PM)62423dp Wrote:  We can compare the 2 based upon coaching futility. And Molinari was thought to be an offensive guru when he showed up in Lincoln. He’s offensive all right. Roby is a P5 guy. Monty could have made him homemade pies and cookies and he wouldn’t have been a Huskie

It's comical to see how people actually think that any coach at NIU should be out recruiting B1G schools and other P5 programs simply because a kid lives in Chicago or some place relatively close ....

+1

Ha Ha....but was not suggesting NIU should "out-recruit" a B1G / P5 school based on proximity. However, everyone recruits this state. Thanks to two walk-ons, six Huskies are from Illinois. Except for EMU, every MAC team has someone originally from Illinois, CMU has five, WMU three, UT / KSU / Akron each have two. So there are 19 Illinois kids okay with MAC competition --- that means at least one, perhaps two, maybe three of those 19 were overlooked. Perhaps Monty's baking skills wouldn't matter but his ability to cook up a hot program does when it comes to recruiting and convincing fans to show up.
Comparing Nebraska and NIU for futility is futile considering the vast differences in budget and schedules.
Skip all that nit-picking b.s. --- is one of you arguing that it was virtually impossible for the Huskie program to get worse after Patton? Seriously, does anyone at this point look forward to the rest of this year as well as 2019-20? Made a previous post about the definition of insanity; and that is the issue! And not attendance, which is a chicken or the egg debate.

Reading comprehension is difficult for some.

After this season, the bottom drops out. This is a senior laden team. Next year will be a very down year.

German should have stuck to throwing eggs.

(02-12-2019 09:16 AM)klake87 Wrote:  After this season, the bottom drops out. This is a senior laden team. Next year will be a very down year.

If you extrapolate the rebuilds for both football and basketball next season, this could be the combined worst season we have ever seen for NIU basketball and football when considered together. At least when NIU was rebuilding in football in the mid 1990s, basketball had spurts of success and when basketball tanked post 2003, NIU football took off. Looks like both will be hitting a trough next season.

(02-12-2019 09:49 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 09:16 AM)klake87 Wrote:  After this season, the bottom drops out. This is a senior laden team. Next year will be a very down year.

If you extrapolate the rebuilds for both football and basketball next season, this could be the combined worst season we have ever seen for NIU basketball and football when considered together. At least when NIU was rebuilding in football in the mid 1990s, basketball had spurts of success and when basketball tanked post 2003, NIU football took off. Looks like both will be hitting a trough next season.

I think it's a little early to predict a "trough" for football, especially with the way THammock and his new staff have generated interest and excitement, as well as the late signees they're bringing in. Of course there will be changes, but Hammock is already familiar with TheHardWay, unlike a new-new coach. I prefer "cautious optimism." As for mbb, any word on recruits? May be a bit early for that too.

So, show of hands....Anybody think the "egg-thrower/shoulda called Uber" guy plays in K-Zoo tonight?

Down year in football? Good lord. This year's team has as good a chance to win the MAC as anyone and I'll be disappointed if they don't.

(02-12-2019 10:06 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Down year in football? Good lord. This year's team has as good a chance to win the MAC as anyone and I'll be disappointed if they don't.

Ignore him. He is comparing Apples and Oranges. I think the top 7 guys in the rotation for basketball are done with eligibility. In football we are coming off a MAC Championship and returning many good players. Can not compare the two.

(02-12-2019 10:31 AM)klake87 Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 10:06 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Down year in football? Good lord. This year's team has as good a chance to win the MAC as anyone and I'll be disappointed if they don't.

Ignore him. He is comparing Apples and Oranges. I think the top 7 guys in the rotation for basketball are done with eligibility. In football we are coming off a MAC Championship and returning many good players. Can not compare the two.

Only Bradley and Thorpe have no more eligibility. Who knows about Geno but James and Key told someone on this board that they plan to return.

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