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(02-12-2019 08:15 AM)GoCats1994 Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 07:47 PM)levydl Wrote:  You guys are funny. Always complaining that the Enquirer doesn't cover UC. Then the lead columnist, whom tons of people read, does a weekend column that basically relays and then elaborates on Cronin's statements, and you gripe about that.

I'm not sure what this means, but I'll take it on face value and believe it to be a reference to weight. Being that you used the plural of the word, it implies there must be at least 2 tons of readers, or at least 4,000 pounds. Assuming that is readership is primarily male, and knowing the average US male now weighs 197.9 pounds - it tells me he has at least 20 readers.

Sounds about right.

Before I get blasted for this...yes, it was meant to be a joke.

Although I do not believe P-Doc to be nearly as influential as your comment about having tons of readers implies. I would suggest both Lance and Mo have bigger platforms in Cincy than P-Doc has.

(02-12-2019 08:37 AM)GoCats1994 Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 08:15 AM)GoCats1994 Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 07:47 PM)levydl Wrote:  You guys are funny. Always complaining that the Enquirer doesn't cover UC. Then the lead columnist, whom tons of people read, does a weekend column that basically relays and then elaborates on Cronin's statements, and you gripe about that.

I'm not sure what this means, but I'll take it on face value and believe it to be a reference to weight. Being that you used the plural of the word, it implies there must be at least 2 tons of readers, or at least 4,000 pounds. Assuming that is readership is primarily male, and knowing the average US male now weighs 197.9 pounds - it tells me he has at least 20 readers.

Sounds about right.

Before I get blasted for this...yes, it was meant to be a joke.

Although I do not believe P-Doc to be nearly as influential as your comment about having tons of readers implies. I would suggest both Lance and Mo have bigger platforms in Cincy than P-Doc has.

Most definitely-- PDoc writes what a couple articles a week? Lance and Mo are on everyday for several hours.

In addition to Lance and Mo, you have to include the likes of Scott Sloan, Willie, Eddie & Rocky, Ken Broo and Chick Ludwig. None of that second group give a rat's behind about UC (Sloan and Eddie & Rocky pretty much never mention UC--- Willie and Broo are hostile, Chick mentions UC but is an OSU blowhard, which perpetuates the myth this is an Ohio State town first and foremost).

I think Scott Springer has done a great job since taking over the UC beat for the Enquirer.

(02-12-2019 08:56 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  I think Scott Springer has done a great job since taking over the UC beat for the Enquirer.

Agree. Not to speak ill of the departed, but Tom Groeschen covered UC as an "impartial observer". Scott covers the Cats as a fan, which is a breath of fresh air in this town.

(02-12-2019 08:37 AM)GoCats1994 Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 08:15 AM)GoCats1994 Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 07:47 PM)levydl Wrote:  You guys are funny. Always complaining that the Enquirer doesn't cover UC. Then the lead columnist, whom tons of people read, does a weekend column that basically relays and then elaborates on Cronin's statements, and you gripe about that.

I'm not sure what this means, but I'll take it on face value and believe it to be a reference to weight. Being that you used the plural of the word, it implies there must be at least 2 tons of readers, or at least 4,000 pounds. Assuming that is readership is primarily male, and knowing the average US male now weighs 197.9 pounds - it tells me he has at least 20 readers.

Sounds about right.

Before I get blasted for this...yes, it was meant to be a joke.

Although I do not believe P-Doc to be nearly as influential as your comment about having tons of readers implies. I would suggest both Lance and Mo have bigger platforms in Cincy than P-Doc has.

I've seen it reported that Daugherty is responsible for some ridiculous percentage of the Enquirer's online views, like, upwards of 50%. He's influential in this town. I don't think Lance or certainly Mo come close.

In any case, I still don't get what people are complaining about here. Daugherty essentially turned Mick's statements into a column.

And I must have the opposite experience of most on here when I meet people not from Cincinnati and they talk about UC. They almost all bring up the thug image. Those Huggs days, plus the fight, and people even think Kenyon was a thug because he played rough and had a bunch of tats and stuff. I have no clue how it is on the recruiting trail, but it rings true to me that some parents would have that image of UC.

kinda hard to complain about doc on this one. i never really have. he was just relaying what mick told him and he seemed a bit reluctant to do so

(02-11-2019 03:19 PM)ucbandguy Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 10:45 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 10:38 AM)ucbandguy Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 07:23 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  UC has a very good reputation outside of the 275 loop. Inside of 275 entities, such as the Enquirer, paint the university in a negative light. This piece reeks of Cronin giving us his yearly reason why he cannot land major recruits and PDouche doing his usual slam UC column.

It is hard to be a hero in your hometown.
It is a little bit harder when you have true local rivalries salting the discussion.
Xavier is a real BB rivalry. And I still remember when the UC-X football game was a big deal.
Miami was a real FB rivalry until recently.
This all tends to "salt" the discussion of UC here at home.

Note that some other schools we like to talk about don't have this local rivalry issue. O$U, UM, and UKy have rivals, but the closest of those is UK-Louisville at about 50 miles. Not the same media/fan situation (large hometown blocks rooting for the other guy). And frankly, UC's sports history in the 70's and 80's didn't help our long term perception much. We are not always being judged on the last 10 or 20 years.

And finally - I agree, Doc can be a real idiot.

Don't forget the UK and OSU contingent within the metro area as well.

I did not mention the Pro Sports competition that UC gets for media attention. I think that affects PDoc's views also.

This is what hurts UC locally more than anything, by far. Generally, this is all the local media cares about and talks about.

(02-12-2019 02:57 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 03:19 PM)ucbandguy Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 10:45 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 10:38 AM)ucbandguy Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 07:23 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  UC has a very good reputation outside of the 275 loop. Inside of 275 entities, such as the Enquirer, paint the university in a negative light. This piece reeks of Cronin giving us his yearly reason why he cannot land major recruits and PDouche doing his usual slam UC column.

It is hard to be a hero in your hometown.
It is a little bit harder when you have true local rivalries salting the discussion.
Xavier is a real BB rivalry. And I still remember when the UC-X football game was a big deal.
Miami was a real FB rivalry until recently.
This all tends to "salt" the discussion of UC here at home.

Note that some other schools we like to talk about don't have this local rivalry issue. O$U, UM, and UKy have rivals, but the closest of those is UK-Louisville at about 50 miles. Not the same media/fan situation (large hometown blocks rooting for the other guy). And frankly, UC's sports history in the 70's and 80's didn't help our long term perception much. We are not always being judged on the last 10 or 20 years.

And finally - I agree, Doc can be a real idiot.

Don't forget the UK and OSU contingent within the metro area as well.

I did not mention the Pro Sports competition that UC gets for media attention. I think that affects PDoc's views also.

This is what hurts UC locally more than anything, by far. Generally, this is all the local media cares about and talks about.

What fixes that is to win big..that pulls media attention and increases attendance.

(02-12-2019 06:07 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 02:57 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 03:19 PM)ucbandguy Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 10:45 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 10:38 AM)ucbandguy Wrote:  It is hard to be a hero in your hometown.
It is a little bit harder when you have true local rivalries salting the discussion.
Xavier is a real BB rivalry. And I still remember when the UC-X football game was a big deal.
Miami was a real FB rivalry until recently.
This all tends to "salt" the discussion of UC here at home.

Note that some other schools we like to talk about don't have this local rivalry issue. O$U, UM, and UKy have rivals, but the closest of those is UK-Louisville at about 50 miles. Not the same media/fan situation (large hometown blocks rooting for the other guy). And frankly, UC's sports history in the 70's and 80's didn't help our long term perception much. We are not always being judged on the last 10 or 20 years.

And finally - I agree, Doc can be a real idiot.

Don't forget the UK and OSU contingent within the metro area as well.

I did not mention the Pro Sports competition that UC gets for media attention. I think that affects PDoc's views also.

This is what hurts UC locally more than anything, by far. Generally, this is all the local media cares about and talks about.

What fixes that is to win big..that pulls media attention and increases attendance.

Agreed.

UC has the national exposure (14 games ESPN, ESPN2, CBS)...being UC in the AAC, we get the lion share of national games. Esp. with UCONN being down.
UC has the arena.

UC just needs some NCAA runs to seal it. If Mick can do that, he can start pulling top 75 guys...even in the AAC.

Thinking about it, Mick should get some of the blame for the perception of being "defense only, no offense" with the comments he has made in the media such as "offense is for family and friends" and "scoring doesn't matter, but deflections do". I get what he is trying to say, but I think it just sends the wrong message to fans and recruits.

(02-13-2019 02:25 PM)jarr Wrote:  Thinking about it, Mick should get some of the blame for the perception of being "defense only, no offense" with the comments he has made in the media such as "offense is for family and friends" and "scoring doesn't matter, but deflections do". I get what he is trying to say, but I think it just sends the wrong message to fans and recruits.

No doubt it hurts the perception. I also get the point he is trying to make with some of those comments, but you also just have to shake your head with some of the things he says (especially the downplaying off scoring and offense) because it is going to be used against him like crazy in recruiting and likely very effectively too.

I scraped some hard data on Cincinnati's recruiting prowess from 247sports.com using their composite ranking starting with Mick's first real recruiting class in 2007 continuing to 2018. I also uploaded Xavier's over the same time range just for giggles.



It's kind of crazy how consistently they have managed to out recruit us over the past decade. There really isn't much of an excuse.

(02-13-2019 07:11 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  I scraped some hard data on Cincinnati's recruiting prowess from 247sports.com using their composite ranking starting with Mick's first real recruiting class in 2007 continuing to 2018. I also uploaded Xavier's over the same time range just for giggles.



It's kind of crazy how consistently they have managed to out recruit us over the past decade. There really isn't much of an excuse.

pathetic

(02-13-2019 07:11 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  I scraped some hard data on Cincinnati's recruiting prowess from 247sports.com using their composite ranking starting with Mick's first real recruiting class in 2007 continuing to 2018. I also uploaded Xavier's over the same time range just for giggles.



It's kind of crazy how consistently they have managed to out recruit us over the past decade. There really isn't much of an excuse.

Sumbuddy just kicked a hornets nest

Who's gonna weigh in to defend Mick?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Bueller?

(02-13-2019 07:11 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  I scraped some hard data on Cincinnati's recruiting prowess from 247sports.com using their composite ranking starting with Mick's first real recruiting class in 2007 continuing to 2018. I also uploaded Xavier's over the same time range just for giggles.



It's kind of crazy how consistently they have managed to out recruit us over the past decade. There really isn't much of an excuse.

Validated by the series win/loss results over that same period.

(02-13-2019 09:27 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 07:11 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  I scraped some hard data on Cincinnati's recruiting prowess from 247sports.com using their composite ranking starting with Mick's first real recruiting class in 2007 continuing to 2018. I also uploaded Xavier's over the same time range just for giggles.



It's kind of crazy how consistently they have managed to out recruit us over the past decade. There really isn't much of an excuse.

Sumbuddy just kicked a hornets nest

Who's gonna weigh in to defend Mick?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Recruiting is "for the fans". Just like post-season success.

(02-13-2019 09:27 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 07:11 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  I scraped some hard data on Cincinnati's recruiting prowess from 247sports.com using their composite ranking starting with Mick's first real recruiting class in 2007 continuing to 2018. I also uploaded Xavier's over the same time range just for giggles.



It's kind of crazy how consistently they have managed to out recruit us over the past decade. There really isn't much of an excuse.

Sumbuddy just kicked a hornets nest

Who's gonna weigh in to defend Mick?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Bueller?

It's hilarious that you hate your favorite team and root for them to lose.

(02-14-2019 08:59 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 09:27 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(02-13-2019 07:11 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  I scraped some hard data on Cincinnati's recruiting prowess from 247sports.com using their composite ranking starting with Mick's first real recruiting class in 2007 continuing to 2018. I also uploaded Xavier's over the same time range just for giggles.



It's kind of crazy how consistently they have managed to out recruit us over the past decade. There really isn't much of an excuse.

Sumbuddy just kicked a hornets nest

Who's gonna weigh in to defend Mick?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Bueller?

It's hilarious that you hate your favorite team and root for them to lose.

It's even more hilarious that you love your mediocre coach even more than your favorite (?) team and don't mind losing as long as he's still the coach.

define losing