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RE: Should the Sun Belt & C-USA form an alliance or partnership to help both leagues?
There are always 2 things that are major obstacles to push any "alliance or reorganization" forward.
1. UTA
2. UALR

Any thread about a big reorganization always focuses on football but don't take in the fact there are 2 non-fb schools in the Sunbelt.

If anything, Texas St is really the only school in the Sunbelt that would like to be in CUSA. But not sure if any CUSA member would want to replace Texas St. ODU writers tend to complain a lot so maybe they would.
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(02-09-2019 11:16 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  There are always 2 things that are major obstacles to push any "alliance or reorganization" forward.
1. UTA
2. UALR

Any thread about a big reorganization always focuses on football but don't take in the fact there are 2 non-fb schools in the Sunbelt.

If anything, Texas St is really the only school in the Sunbelt that would like to be in CUSA. But not sure if any CUSA member would want to replace Texas St. ODU writers tend to complain a lot so maybe they would.

I would argue that they aren't alone. ULL and Ark St would prefer C-USA West to SBC West.

The path to overcoming the UTA and UALR issue is that after you agree in principle to the reorganization with C-USA the SBC calls a vote that either expels them outright or requires them to play FBS football. Once they are out of the picture C-USA invites the schools that are shifting to their banner and the SBC invites the schools that will be under theirs. Problem solved.
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RE: Should the Sun Belt & C-USA form an alliance or partnership to help both leagues?
That last comment by Muskie:

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(02-09-2019 10:48 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Well, people keep forgetting that their are FCS schools in the area that could help boast men's basketball and.football.

Missouri State, Jacksonville State, Chattanooga, East Tennessee State, Northern Iowa, UCA, Sam Houston State, SFAU, James Madison, Murray State, Kennesaw State, Stony Brook and some others. Adding any of them could boast product for tv on how they played on the court and football fields. Streaming online would also add more money.

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(02-09-2019 10:45 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I honestly think CUSA is fine as well. They do complain about their conference a lot, but mainly I think it's due to the fact that they want it to be as prestigious and good as CUSA2.0, which if it happens will take a lot of time.

2.0 wasn’t that prestigious either. Football was mediocre at best and it was Memphis and the 11 dwarfs in basketball. 1.0 was the prestigious version especially in basketball.
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RE: Should the Sun Belt & C-USA form an alliance or partnership to help both leagues?
If anything, the Top 8-10 schools need to find a conference of convenience (WAC, Atlantic Sun, whatever) to make a new “best of” league, then let the SBC and C-USA do what they need to do to continue operations:

“League One”:
UAB, Southern Miss, MTSU, Louisiana Tech, North Texas, Rice, Arkansas State, App State, Troy

C-USA
Old Dominion, Charlotte, Marshall, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Coastal Carolina, FAU, FIU

SBC
WKU, South Alabama, UTEP, NMSU, UTSA, Texas State, Louisiana, ULM
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RE: Should the Sun Belt & C-USA form an alliance or partnership to help both leagues?
Quote:“League One”:
UAB, Southern Miss, MTSU, Louisiana Tech, North Texas, Rice, Arkansas State, App State, Troy


I just don't see the point in that conference. Travel isn't reduced and the undefeated champ would still not be in the access bowl over an undefeated AAC team.

The whole point of realigning SBC/CUSA is to reduce travel costs and build up rivalries. App and Troy would lose their biggest rivals and no travel costs would be cut.
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(02-09-2019 02:11 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If anything, the Top 8-10 schools need to find a conference of convenience (WAC, Atlantic Sun, whatever) to make a new “best of” league, then let the SBC and C-USA do what they need to do to continue operations:

“League One”:
UAB, Southern Miss, MTSU, Louisiana Tech, North Texas, Rice, Arkansas State, App State, Troy

C-USA
Old Dominion, Charlotte, Marshall, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Coastal Carolina, FAU, FIU

SBC
WKU, South Alabama, UTEP, NMSU, UTSA, Texas State, Louisiana, ULM

The problem with those scenarios is that you go back to square one. The issues remain the same. Nothing is getting fixed short term. Some of those schools would rather be somewhere else like UTEP in the MWC and Rice with their peers in the AAC. Different agendas, different missions. It won’t work.

C-USA made the mistake in going to 14 too fast. It’s done. We can’t expel members because the conference overreacted. Football and basketball are improving but it’ll probably be 3-5 more years (it’d be 10 years of the current configuration) until you see the full potential of the conference.
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This SBC/CUSA topic seems to appear a few times a year. The basic advantage is lower traveling costs and creating regional rivalries for both conferences. The Sports Business Journal published an article about the subject a few years ago. It is called "A common-sense solution for conference realignment." The article includes NMSU and Idaho right before they left the SBC.

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[Image: pg-27-InDepth-Realignment1.ashx?la=en&am...712B15DB3D]

Even split map.

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RE: Should the Sun Belt & C-USA form an alliance or partnership to help both leagues?
Quote:This SBC/CUSA topic seems to appear a few times a year.

Couple times per quarter, maybe even month.

But to do that allignment you'd have to ignore some hard feelings in LaTech/ULM and from what I gathered ArkSt looks more eastward with recruiting. Troy and USA would lose their rivalry and UTSA/TxSt are sitting on top of one another. Then you have the Florida Twins which throws another kink into the mix.
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Find a way to put Missouri State in somewhere. Both C-USA West and SBC West schools wanted them in. Lets say UTEP and UTSA gets invited to MWC in the future? Right now, UTEP would block New Mexico State from joining. There would be more votes for Missouri State instead of New Mexico State.

West - Little Rock and UTA who goes to the WAC.
UTEP
UTSA
Texas State
North Texas
Rice
Missouri State
Arkansas State
La. Tech
La.-Lafayette
Southern Mississippi
Middle Tennessee State
Western Kentucky

East:
Marshall
James Madison
ODU
Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
South Alabama
UAB
Troy
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
FAU
FIU
Charlotte

La.-Monroe gets left out. Missouri State takes their place.
James Madison U. does help Marshall out even more on the east.
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If. And I say IF the NCAA would increase the payout of $1 million per school up to 12 schools then I'd see Missouri State being welcomed into the Sun Belt but that'd be a 3rd or 4th option for the Belt behind trying to snag schools already in the FBS.

No one will be added (unless they're a home run) with the payout capped at 10 teams.
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(02-09-2019 11:00 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 10:48 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Well, people keep forgetting that their are FCS schools in the area that could help boast men's basketball and.football.

Missouri State, Jacksonville State, Chattanooga, East Tennessee State, Northern Iowa, UCA, Sam Houston State, SFAU, James Madison, Murray State, Kennesaw State, Stony Brook and some others. Adding any of them could boast product for tv on how they played on the court and football fields. Streaming online would also add more money.

And while they're at it the Sun Belt could also add Lenoir Rhyne, Johnson C. Smith, Lees-McRae, Tusculum, Valdosta State, Albany State, Savannah State, West Alabama, Florida Tech, and West Florida. D2 and NAIA schools need some love too.
Where’s Montevallo, AUM, and UAH??
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(02-09-2019 04:48 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 11:00 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 10:48 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Well, people keep forgetting that their are FCS schools in the area that could help boast men's basketball and.football.

Missouri State, Jacksonville State, Chattanooga, East Tennessee State, Northern Iowa, UCA, Sam Houston State, SFAU, James Madison, Murray State, Kennesaw State, Stony Brook and some others. Adding any of them could boast product for tv on how they played on the court and football fields. Streaming online would also add more money.

And while they're at it the Sun Belt could also add Lenoir Rhyne, Johnson C. Smith, Lees-McRae, Tusculum, Valdosta State, Albany State, Savannah State, West Alabama, Florida Tech, and West Florida. D2 and NAIA schools need some love too.
Where’s Montevallo, AUM, and UAH??

I give credit to DavidSt. I learn about schools that I’ve never heard before.
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(02-09-2019 04:50 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 04:48 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 11:00 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 10:48 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Well, people keep forgetting that their are FCS schools in the area that could help boast men's basketball and.football.

Missouri State, Jacksonville State, Chattanooga, East Tennessee State, Northern Iowa, UCA, Sam Houston State, SFAU, James Madison, Murray State, Kennesaw State, Stony Brook and some others. Adding any of them could boast product for tv on how they played on the court and football fields. Streaming online would also add more money.

And while they're at it the Sun Belt could also add Lenoir Rhyne, Johnson C. Smith, Lees-McRae, Tusculum, Valdosta State, Albany State, Savannah State, West Alabama, Florida Tech, and West Florida. D2 and NAIA schools need some love too.
Where’s Montevallo, AUM, and UAH??

I give credit to DavidSt. I learn about schools that I’ve never heard before.

<——not DavidSt. Montevallo is my alma mater and West Alabama is one of our biggest rivals. AUM & UAH are rivals also.
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(02-09-2019 04:56 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 04:50 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 04:48 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 11:00 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 10:48 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Well, people keep forgetting that their are FCS schools in the area that could help boast men's basketball and.football.

Missouri State, Jacksonville State, Chattanooga, East Tennessee State, Northern Iowa, UCA, Sam Houston State, SFAU, James Madison, Murray State, Kennesaw State, Stony Brook and some others. Adding any of them could boast product for tv on how they played on the court and football fields. Streaming online would also add more money.

And while they're at it the Sun Belt could also add Lenoir Rhyne, Johnson C. Smith, Lees-McRae, Tusculum, Valdosta State, Albany State, Savannah State, West Alabama, Florida Tech, and West Florida. D2 and NAIA schools need some love too.
Where’s Montevallo, AUM, and UAH??

I give credit to DavidSt. I learn about schools that I’ve never heard before.

<——not DavidSt. Montevallo is my alma mater and West Alabama is one of our biggest rivals. AUM & UAH are rivals also.

I don’t want to offend you because it’s not my intention but this is the first time I hear about Montevallo. I heard of Huntsville but not of AUM.
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(02-09-2019 04:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Find a way to put Missouri State in somewhere. Both C-USA West and SBC West schools wanted them in. Lets say UTEP and UTSA gets invited to MWC in the future? Right now, UTEP would block New Mexico State from joining. There would be more votes for Missouri State instead of New Mexico State.

West - Little Rock and UTA who goes to the WAC.
UTEP
UTSA
Texas State
North Texas
Rice
Missouri State
Arkansas State
La. Tech
La.-Lafayette
Southern Mississippi
Middle Tennessee State
Western Kentucky

East:
Marshall
James Madison
ODU
Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
South Alabama
UAB
Troy
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
FAU
FIU
Charlotte

La.-Monroe gets left out. Missouri State takes their place.
James Madison U. does help Marshall out even more on the east.

Missouri State replacing ULM, are you ******* kidding me
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(02-09-2019 03:23 PM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  This SBC/CUSA topic seems to appear a few times a year. The basic advantage is lower traveling costs and creating regional rivalries for both conferences. The Sports Business Journal published an article about the subject a few years ago. It is called "A common-sense solution for conference realignment." The article includes NMSU and Idaho right before they left the SBC.

[Image: pg-26-InDepth-Current-alignment.ashx?la=...A7A6A65F62]

[Image: pg-27-InDepth-Realignment1.ashx?la=en&am...712B15DB3D]

Even split map.

[Image: EOVNnmX.jpg]

Take out JMU, move StAte to the eastern conference, and put ULM in the west and it looks good. We’re not going anywhere no matter how much certain people seem to want us to.
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(02-09-2019 04:04 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Should the Sun Belt Conference & Conference USA form a partnership to help both leagues with travel and more regional rivalries? I think both leagues are far off from where the AAC or even MWC is in terms of strength in basketball and football. Would this sort of alliance help both leagues?

Southwestern Conference (10 Teams) formerly Sun Belt Conference
UTEP
UTSA
Texas State
Rice
North Texas
Arkansas State
Louisiana Tech
UL-Monroe
Louisiana
New Mexico State
UT-Arlington (basketball/other sports)
Little Rock (basketball/other sports)

Football Championship Game played at Toyota Stadium in Frisco, Alamodome in San Antonio, or Superdome in New Orleans. Basketball Tournament played Ford Center at the Star in Dallas, HEB Center at Cedar Park, AT&T Center in San Antonio, or Lakefront Arena in New Orleans.

Conference USA (16 teams)
Sun Belt Division - 8 teams
Southern Miss.
South Alabama
UAB
Troy
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
FAU
FIU
Appalachian Division - 8 teams
Middle Tennessee State
Western Kentucky
Coastal Carolina
Charlotte
Appalachian State
Marshall
Liberty
Old Dominion

Conference USA stays at 8 games with a 8 team divisional setup, the highest seed is rewarded with the championship game instead of a neutral site. Basketball Tournament could be played at Legacy Arena in Birmingham, Bojangles' Coliseum in Charlotte, or a neutral site in Florida could be options.

NO!
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(02-09-2019 06:34 PM)debragga Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 04:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Find a way to put Missouri State in somewhere. Both C-USA West and SBC West schools wanted them in. Lets say UTEP and UTSA gets invited to MWC in the future? Right now, UTEP would block New Mexico State from joining. There would be more votes for Missouri State instead of New Mexico State.

...

La.-Monroe gets left out. Missouri State takes their place.
James Madison U. does help Marshall out even more on the east.

Missouri State replacing ULM, are you ******* kidding me

Sadly he's not. As Panama said, he's just playing The SIMS NCAA.
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