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(02-11-2019 09:28 AM)bullet Wrote:  I imagine Democrats are going to ramp up their book burning phase. Huck Finn was among the first. Next they go after yearbooks that Democrats are in!

Huck Finn guy was either a Teacher or Admin at my middle school when I went there. That's how long this stupidity has been going on.

that's a shame....I now have pops reading Twain....they're both heroes in my book....
I don’t have any empirical data for this. But it seems that about 1985-90, Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer became strictly off-limits for all required reading lists in American high schools and colleges. They were “optional” for a while, and now it seems they’re just totally gone. I’ve never heard of anybody born after 1972/73 who’s claimed to have read either book.
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(02-12-2019 10:23 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
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(02-11-2019 09:28 AM)bullet Wrote:  I imagine Democrats are going to ramp up their book burning phase. Huck Finn was among the first. Next they go after yearbooks that Democrats are in!

Huck Finn guy was either a Teacher or Admin at my middle school when I went there. That's how long this stupidity has been going on.

that's a shame....I now have pops reading Twain....they're both heroes in my book....
I don’t have any empirical data for this. But it seems that about 1985-90, Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer became strictly off-limits for all required reading lists in American high schools and colleges. They were “optional” for a while, and now it seems they’re just totally gone. I’ve never met anybody born after 1972/73 who’s read either book.

that's about right....

nuts zongo + born in '65 = both read by '72
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(02-12-2019 10:23 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 09:19 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
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(02-11-2019 09:28 AM)bullet Wrote:  I imagine Democrats are going to ramp up their book burning phase. Huck Finn was among the first. Next they go after yearbooks that Democrats are in!

Huck Finn guy was either a Teacher or Admin at my middle school when I went there. That's how long this stupidity has been going on.

that's a shame....I now have pops reading Twain....they're both heroes in my book....
I don’t have any empirical data for this. But it seems that about 1985-90, Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer became strictly off-limits for all required reading lists in American high schools and colleges. They were “optional” for a while, and now it seems they’re just totally gone. I’ve never heard of anybody born after 1972/73 who’s claimed to have read either book.

Huck Finn is still around in some districts- they just softened the language (N* Jim is just Jim and any utterance of the word has been erased).

To Kill a Mockingbird has undergone similar scrutiny.
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(02-12-2019 10:31 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
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(02-11-2019 09:28 AM)bullet Wrote:  I imagine Democrats are going to ramp up their book burning phase. Huck Finn was among the first. Next they go after yearbooks that Democrats are in!

Huck Finn guy was either a Teacher or Admin at my middle school when I went there. That's how long this stupidity has been going on.

that's a shame....I now have pops reading Twain....they're both heroes in my book....
I don’t have any empirical data for this. But it seems that about 1985-90, Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer became strictly off-limits for all required reading lists in American high schools and colleges. They were “optional” for a while, and now it seems they’re just totally gone. I’ve never heard of anybody born after 1972/73 who’s claimed to have read either book.

Huck Finn is still around in some districts- they just softened the language (N* Jim is just Jim and any utterance of the word has been erased).

To Kill a Mockingbird has undergone similar scrutiny.

Altering the language of Samuel Clemens or Harper Lee just alters the reality and impact of the truth they were trying to convey. Banning books that were against racism because they used racist language in the book is so absurd at many levels that it bolsters the irreality that modern America lives and struggles under.

When you can no longer tell the unvarnished truth you are a nation of lies. Twain is about as unvarnished as you can get. When his books are banned it is not the truth that has changed, it is us. And to take the language out of "To Kill a Mockingbird" is to miss the point of a cutting edge story that bolstered civil rights.

It's not the words that inflicted pain. It's the words that display the sentiment of the speakers who inflicted the pain. Bob Ewell was the manifestation of pain. He hated his place in society, he hated blacks because he knew his status was little better, he inflicted pain on his daughter, Tom Robinson, and by extension Atticus Finch and his family. And it was a white man even lower on the social rung who was shunned and feared that put an end to all of the evil of Bob Ewell. Boo Radley and Tom Robinson versus Bob Ewell showed that good versus evil was not a matter of skin color but a matter of Character, a sentiment echoed by Martin Luther King.

If Huckleberry Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird can't be taught because of the truth of the language, it is because we have teachers too stupid to put them into context for their students and not because of the language which in those books is the essence of the social context.

The rapidity with which we are erasing the tension and truth in our society is staggering and if there is one glaring and blaring alarm that our country is rapidly falling into darkness it is because it artificially sanitizes everything that provides the real tension for change into a convenient lie, and it foists changes based upon irreality upon us.

All tension calls for change whether individually or societally. Tension forces resolution and therefore is one of the healthiest experiences than any person or society can face. To try to remove tension by denial has led to violence in every society where it has been practiced and for no other reason than unresolved tension builds, then erupts. It is precisely because we had unvarnished freedom of speech that the United States has worked through some whoppers of problems without destroying itself. For our education system to be in the book banning and language altering mode is indicative of eventual violence. And the fact that our teachers are not prepared to speak of past sins by placing them honestly into context is an offense to a free society so reprehensible that all of us should be demanding a total overhaul of education. Such censorship and such denial has never been the part of a free society and speaks to the overreaching power of Federal Bureaucratic Government.
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(02-12-2019 11:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Altering the language of Samuel Clemens or Harper Lee just alters the reality and impact of the truth they were trying to convey.
Well, yes. In America we now have multiple generations that — in Aaron Sorkin’s phrase — “can’t handle the truth”. So, the truth must be somehow “altered”. Twisted beyond recognition into something more palatable to modern tastes.
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(02-12-2019 11:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Altering the language of Samuel Clemens or Harper Lee just alters the reality and impact of the truth they were trying to convey.
Well, yes. In America we now have multiple generations that — in Aaron Sorkin’s phrase — “can’t handle the truth”. So, the truth must be somehow “altered”. Twisted beyond recognition into something more palatable to (modern tastes).

"Modern tastes?" Whose modern tastes? It is part of the corporate/governmental rewrite of all things that can create tension. They believe profits run higher when there is no tension. Therefore anyone who causes tension is a problem whether that is an author from the past or a 74 year old woman in Great Britain questioning the sanctioning of something she was raised to believe immoral.

Rodney King's "can't we all just get along" had this tagged to the end of it "for the sake of the quarterly statement?"

I state again that tension is healthy. The whole process of wrestling with tension is what leads to growth. The denial of it leads to violent change rather than synergistic and natural change. Issues that create tension are the social faults and just as surely as natural faults in the crust of the earth can shift frequently while the structural edifices endure their slow and constant change, issues that create greater tension and which are kept under pressure rupture suddenly and violently.

Governments of the people have built in stress releases intentionally. As long as those governments are answerable to the people and funded by them they function normally. But corporate influence and their amoral social hegemony have corroded the natural governmental safety valves for change. They force on us their world view because they find that best for international business. They see our government as an impediment like a family member whose views interfere with their own agenda. So they buy its influence and voice and impose their values upon it in an effort to further their self interests, interests which are alien to those of the citizens.

With their voices and impact marginalized the citizens's tension builds. Their morality is threatened. Their world view is threatened. But most importantly having a responsive government who looks after their needs first is lost.

What is best for American corporations is not always best for the country or its defense.

The FCC once pursued and brought to justice phone scammers. Yet today international crooks can operate a phone bank in Mumbai and scam our elderly here in the states and neither the FCC, nor AT&T do a damn thing about it! Why? Because the group that profits from the charges of that phone bank in Mumbai is probably a subsidiary of AT&T and they lobby the government to pull the teeth of the FCC. After all as long as the American investor's blue chip stock value is protected they've done their bit for the USA.

It's out of control Native Georgian and it doesn't have a damned thing to do with "Modern Tastes". It has everything to do with trying to appease as many consumers as possible, not only here but abroad, and in so doing distorting the mission of a government to its people. Why no wall? Because illegals funded from the dole by the American Taxpayer are still consumers and the corporations here profit from every dollar they spend whether or not that dollar was earned or given to them courtesy of the taxpayers of the U.S..

Teddy Roosevelt is spinning in his grave, and the modern citizen is too fearful of job loss for themselves or their children to stand up to the pieced together unholy unnatural evil that is corporate America. And they weren't always evil. When constrained they were some of the most innovative and brilliant industries in the world. But when they were "Too Big to Fail" then they became bloated whales past their prime who were profiting not by better product and innovation but by planned obsolescence, faked quarterly statements to drive stock values, and by lobbying for even more power.

It is government which is to blame. Anti-trust and lobbying laws can restore the tension that was healthy for American business when it made them compete to survive and failure was a legitimate possibility. Tension was healthy for our citizens because it was an accommodative process which brought healthy social change and consensus and didn't result in the screaming assaults by two polarized parties.

But it is not a chicken or the egg issue. Curtail the scope and reach of modern corporate conglomerates and you'll restore their vitality because you will restore their tension. Get them out of deciding what is best for the country and their money out of the pockets of our representatives and the people will find their voice and compromise and consensus will return.

But, if we do not a massively violent rupture of our society will occur.

We did not change those words to suit modern tastes. We changed them to fit a failing philosophy that suits the ease of life by bypassing natural tension through the purchase of favor. And that bloated sloppy whale gets hacked for its innovation, and its ties to government contracts allows those hackers to see our defense projects. The safety nets of having big government projects under the wraps of military bases has long ago been lobbied away and with it part of our security.

Business needs to be malleable and face tension to remain healthy. Government can't serve two masters one corporate and the other the people because it will bow to easy money for influence every time and enslave those it was meant to serve.

Healthy business, healthy citizens, healthy societies and a safe world cannot be ensured unless each is kept free of the coercive force of the other. Government shouldn't interfere with the conduct of trade unless in time of war. Business done with government needs to be wholly under the vigilant security of our armed forces, and the representatives should only get paid by the people.

Were we ever that pristine? No. But we've never been more corrupted by money than today.
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(02-12-2019 01:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 01:02 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 11:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Altering the language of Samuel Clemens or Harper Lee just alters the reality and impact of the truth they were trying to convey.
Well, yes. In America we now have multiple generations that — in Aaron Sorkin’s phrase — “can’t handle the truth”. So, the truth must be somehow “altered”. Twisted beyond recognition into something more palatable to (modern tastes).

"Modern tastes?" Whose modern tastes? It is part of the corporate/governmental rewrite of all things that can create tension. They believe profits run higher when there is no tension. Therefore anyone who causes tension is a problem whether that is an author from the past or a 74 year old woman in Great Britain questioning the sanctioning of something she was raised to believe immoral.

Rodney King's "can't we all just get along" had this tagged to the end of it "for the sake of the quarterly statement?"

I state again that tension is healthy. The whole process of wrestling with tension is what leads to growth. The denial of it leads to violent change rather than synergistic and natural change. Issues that create tension are the social faults and just as surely as natural faults in the crust of the earth can shift frequently while the structural edifices endure their slow and constant change, issues that create greater tension and which are kept under pressure rupture suddenly and violently.

Governments of the people have built in stress releases intentionally. As long as those governments are answerable to the people and funded by them they function normally. But corporate influence and their amoral social hegemony have corroded the natural governmental safety valves for change. They force on us their world view because they find that best for international business. They see our government as an impediment like a family member whose views interfere with their own agenda. So they buy its influence and voice and impose their values upon it in an effort to further their self interests, interests which are alien to those of the citizens.

With their voices and impact marginalized the citizens's tension builds. Their morality is threatened. Their world view is threatened. But most importantly having a responsive government who looks after their needs first is lost.

What is best for American corporations is not always best for the country or its defense.

The FCC once pursued and brought to justice phone scammers. Yet today international crooks can operate a phone bank in Mumbai and scam our elderly here in the states and neither the FCC, nor AT&T do a damn thing about it! Why? Because the group that profits from the charges of that phone bank in Mumbai is probably a subsidiary of AT&T and they lobby the government to pull the teeth of the FCC. After all as long as the American investor's blue chip stock value is protected they've done their bit for the USA.

It's out of control Native Georgian and it doesn't have a damned thing to do with "Modern Tastes". It has everything to do with trying to appease as many consumers as possible, not only here but abroad, and in so doing distorting the mission of a government to its people. Why no wall? Because illegals funded from the dole by the American Taxpayer are still consumers and the corporations here profit from every dollar they spend whether or not that dollar was earned or given to them courtesy of the taxpayers of the U.S..

Teddy Roosevelt is spinning in his grave, and the modern citizen is too fearful of job loss for themselves or their children to stand up to the pieced together unholy unnatural evil that is corporate America. And they weren't always evil. When constrained they were some of the most innovative and brilliant industries in the world. But when they were "Too Big to Fail" then they became bloated whales past their prime who were profiting not by better product and innovation but by planned obsolescence, faked quarterly statements to drive stock values, and by lobbying for even more power.

It is government which is to blame. Anti-trust and lobbying laws can restore the tension that was healthy for American business when it made them compete to survive and failure was a legitimate possibility. Tension was healthy for our citizens because it was an accommodative process which brought healthy social change and consensus and didn't result in the screaming assaults by two polarized parties.

But it is not a chicken or the egg issue. Curtail the scope and reach of modern corporate conglomerates and you'll restore their vitality because you will restore their tension. Get them out of deciding what is best for the country and their money out of the pockets of our representatives and the people will find their voice and compromise and consensus will return.

But, if we do not a massively violent rupture of our society will occur.

We did not change those words to suit modern tastes. We changed them to fit a failing philosophy that suits the ease of life by bypassing natural tension through the purchase of favor. And that bloated sloppy whale gets hacked for its innovation, and its ties to government contracts allows those hackers to see our defense projects. The safety nets of having big government projects under the wraps of military bases has long ago been lobbied away and with it part of our security.

Business needs to be malleable and face tension to remain healthy. Government can't serve two masters one corporate and the other the people because it will bow to easy money for influence every time and enslave those it was meant to serve.

Healthy business, healthy citizens, healthy societies and a safe world cannot be ensured unless each is kept free of the coercive force of the other. Government shouldn't interfere with the conduct of trade unless in time of war. Business done with government needs to be wholly under the vigilant security of our armed forces, and the representatives should only get paid by the people.

Were we ever that pristine? No. But we've never been more corrupted by money than today.

another excellent synopsis and summation provided pro bono....
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(02-11-2019 09:07 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 04:16 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Yea, so
Another shoe likely drops on Herring. Soon. Chronic blackface I guess (?).
I mean, who wasn’t a fan of rapper Kurtis Blow in 1980?!?
Accuser #2 on alleged rapist Fairfax that came forward apparently wasn’t expected accuser #2. So now we’re up to three. Nothing to see here.
This is only going to get much deeper. The frenzy that it’s already started has only started.
Restocked the pop secret today.

And I have one question:

WTF were the republican opposition research people doing instead of finding this all out before the election? Dropping this information in October before the election, as opposed to January over a year later, would almost certainly have changed the results.

These figured to be close elections in a major swing state, and as such should have gotten their full attention. Are they idiots, or merely incompetent? The revelations regarding the Northam yearbook supposedly came from med school classmates who were anti-abortion and reacted to his statements regarding late (very late) term abortions. Well, let's see, I'm guessing they were anti-abortion before the election, and I'm guessing Northam was pretty clearly pro-abortion before the election. So why in the world did this not come to light then.

Republicans were asleep at the wheel. Once again, they show their inability to play politics. And when they're the only thing protecting me from the democrats who are becoming increasingly socialistic, I am not willing to accept that level of incompetence.

It's bubble think Stink! They don't listen to the public. They don't brainstorm the angles the opposition will attack. They just look for the next members of the club who are due their shot. I've seen this in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee, so toss in Virginia. The more a group thinks they are right the more likely it is to occur. So why not Virginia?

What's more these people haven't caught on that investigators and dirty tricks people from the national parties will do their due diligence to talk to old classmates, former coworkers, and neighbors to get the dirt on anyone, and if not dirt certainly something they can spin or allude to at the last moment so that truth is not an obstacle.

It's an all out propaganda war and those who think Joe Blow and Billy Bob Goodfellow are going to be able to hold their shotgun over their shoulder in front of a church and oh shucks it for the rubes and win are just plain damn stupid! Every damn one of them is a lawyer and if there is any group of people on the face of the earth that are going to have former friends, neighbors, or clients that hate them it's a lawyer.

Add sanctimonious commercials to the mix and the hypocrisy is enough to bring out the detractors and provide a negative narrative.

High school and college is what they stoop to when everything else came up dry. Al Gore locked his college roommate up until his election was all chadded out. They supposedly smoked a bong together in their college days. But hey, I hand it to Al his campaign had the good sense to avoid a potential negative.
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(02-12-2019 10:23 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 09:19 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 06:37 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(02-11-2019 09:28 AM)bullet Wrote:  I imagine Democrats are going to ramp up their book burning phase. Huck Finn was among the first. Next they go after yearbooks that Democrats are in!

Huck Finn guy was either a Teacher or Admin at my middle school when I went there. That's how long this stupidity has been going on.

that's a shame....I now have pops reading Twain....they're both heroes in my book....
I don’t have any empirical data for this. But it seems that about 1985-90, Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer became strictly off-limits for all required reading lists in American high schools and colleges. They were “optional” for a while, and now it seems they’re just totally gone. I’ve never heard of anybody born after 1972/73 who’s claimed to have read either book.


I remember the first book burner at, interestingly, Mark Twain middle school in what would have been around ‘79-80 or so.

Big news really, was all over the local rag, the comPost and coke head Jim Vance REPORTING!

Only one to outshine that stupidity was our very own crackhead Marion Barry. What a great time to be a kid growing up. Lol

Role models and all...
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vanessa-tys...019-02-12/
Having Blasey-Ford's lawyer and being in this field doesn't exactly lend credence to her claims.

"Vanessa Tyson, the first woman to accuse Virginia Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax of sexual assault, spoke at a Stanford University symposium called Tuesday night, her first public appearance since coming forward with the allegations. While she did not address the allegations directly, she said that when reporting sexual assault "sometimes you have lead by example, no matter how hard it is...."
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Hunh.

“Leading by example” 15 yrs later.

One wonders why these people are often not taken seriously...

But, again. I have no idea what kind of axe to grind here if this is some kind of made up “hit”.

And accuser #2 marks some kind of a pattern, though she’s raped by a high profile athlete at Duke and not only doesn’t pursue it past making a complaint to some school office but remains at the school only to be raped again?!?

This can only spell “good governance” for Virginia moving forward.

Blackface and rape. Welcome to Virginia is for lovers... lol
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(02-13-2019 09:52 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Hunh.

“Leading by example” 15 yrs later.

One wonders why these people are often not taken seriously...

But, again. I have no idea what kind of axe to grind here if this is some kind of made up “hit”.

And accuser #2 marks some kind of a pattern, though she’s raped by a high profile athlete at Duke and not only doesn’t pursue it past making a complaint to some school office but remains at the school only to be raped again?!?

This can only spell “good governance” for Virginia moving forward.

Blackface and rape. Welcome to Virginia is for lovers... lol

Since she's researching "the political discourse surrounding sexual assault," this does create some material to research.

She's sounds credible, but this other stuff starts to make her look flaky.
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Fairfax found some dirt on one of his accusers:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/1...ia-1166298

"A woman who alleged Virginia Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax raped her in college was accused of harassing and threatening a man she had a relationship with, according to Maryland court records....

<but there is this later in the story>

After the story was published a lawyer for Watson, Nancy Erika Smith, said the order granted was a seven-day court order and that Watson “was not in the Courtroom and did not know about the proceedings or have an opportunity to be heard” when it was issued. The man “abandoned the effort after hearing from Ms. Watson’s lawyer,” Smith said.

The dispute between the two centered around $2,000 that was owed to Watson and was resolved, Smith said, with the man agreeing to pay Watson. The man who filed the request for the order did not respond to a request for comment for this story, nor did Fairfax through his office...."
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