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(02-08-2019 11:12 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Judge Kavanaugh deserved due process when allegations were made against him, and so does Lt Gov Fairfax. While the accusers in both cases are vastly different, PRINCIPLE, to me, demands more to completely ruin a person's career. Let's see where the investigations of these allegations lead and make an informed decision when more information is available.

Exactly. No rush to judgement is appropriate in either, or any, case.
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(02-08-2019 11:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 11:12 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Judge Kavanaugh deserved due process when allegations were made against him, and so does Lt Gov Fairfax. While the accusers in both cases are vastly different, PRINCIPLE, to me, demands more to completely ruin a person's career. Let's see where the investigations of these allegations lead and make an informed decision when more information is available.

Exactly. No rush to judgement is appropriate in either, or any, case.

That's getting the cart before the horse. The rush to judge is not by the members of this board, and even if it was it is insignificant. It's not even by the public. The rush to condemn (which is the more apt descriptor) is by the media who are now so accustomed to shaping public sentiment that they do feel that they are judge, jury and executioner. And the true victim already is due process.
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(02-08-2019 05:53 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  This sounds a ton to me like Brett Kavanaugh's deal.

Maybe if Fairfax can produce journals with SQUI's name in it, he has a chance to hang on to his job.

Nothing like it at all.
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(02-08-2019 10:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
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(02-08-2019 06:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think it's regrettable that this has happened with either Kavanaugh or Fairfax. At this point I do not find the allegations against Kavanaugh believable, and I have no idea whether those against Fairfax are true or not. So I'm going to wait for the evidence before jumping to any conclusions.

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(02-09-2019 12:02 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 10:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 09:58 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 09:18 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 06:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think it's regrettable that this has happened with either Kavanaugh or Fairfax. At this point I do not find the allegations against Kavanaugh believable, and I have no idea whether those against Fairfax are true or not. So I'm going to wait for the evidence before jumping to any conclusions.

say it for what is....

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(02-08-2019 05:53 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  This sounds a ton to me like Brett Kavanaugh's deal.

Maybe if Fairfax can produce journals with SQUI's name in it, he has a chance to hang on to his job.

Really?

Who else credibly accused Kavanaugh? No, stop. Who at all credibly accused Kavanaugh?

Don't we believe all womyn, now? Tell me, us, why would these two possibly lie about this? Both of them? Accuser 1 was a fellow attendee at the losers convention, no axe to grind there. Accuser #2 tells much the same story about going to his room to get "documents", then this. She also apparently has corroborating statements from friends contemporaneously and facebook posts to same.

And is seeking NOTHING. So, why?

What's possibly in it for them, if they're somehow R plants trying to wreck a Lt. Governor of Va.'s reputation. Shouldn't they be aiming a bit higher if putting all that out there? You only got one bullet and you use it on this?

Why would Blase-Ford rush out of a house full of potential rapists and not tell her best friend to GTFO, too? How did she walk home, late at night, 9 miles in the cold with NO shoes on, yet not remember that?

Why didn't her BFF call her the next morning, next day, next week or month to check on how she was doing? Nor have any recollection at all about any of this farce? Do you not believe HER?

Hunh. Odd, that. 07-coffee3
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(02-08-2019 10:26 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 10:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 09:58 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 09:18 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  say it for what is....

we're in 'accusation-aLL he77'....

this shite's not going away....

this isn't about right or wrong anymore....

It's about mob rule...

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(02-08-2019 06:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 05:53 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  This sounds a ton to me like Brett Kavanaugh's deal.

Maybe if Fairfax can produce journals with SQUI's name in it, he has a chance to hang on to his job.

I know where we both stand politically, but really there has to be statute of limitations on accusations as well as on crimes and the two should be the same.

Then if any news service picks up on an accusation that has past its statute of limitations that service should be liable.

Thankfully there is no limit on murder of which I am aware. I think the time frame on a rape needs to be rather lengthy, but if it isn't reported within a decade can there really be any forensic evidence?

At some point it is reasonable to question the motivations of extremely late accusations. If the guy is a threat to women then women need to report it immediately. After 19 years it seems more like an "I'll take you down" act of vengeance than an effort to seek justice or prevent further victims.

Its understandable if they don't go to the police. But if there's no contemporaneous corroboration, you can't give it credibility (to the extent of taking one's job), no matter how sincere they sound 10 or 20 or 30 years later.
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(02-09-2019 02:18 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 06:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 05:53 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  This sounds a ton to me like Brett Kavanaugh's deal.

Maybe if Fairfax can produce journals with SQUI's name in it, he has a chance to hang on to his job.

I know where we both stand politically, but really there has to be statute of limitations on accusations as well as on crimes and the two should be the same.

Then if any news service picks up on an accusation that has past its statute of limitations that service should be liable.

Thankfully there is no limit on murder of which I am aware. I think the time frame on a rape needs to be rather lengthy, but if it isn't reported within a decade can there really be any forensic evidence?

At some point it is reasonable to question the motivations of extremely late accusations. If the guy is a threat to women then women need to report it immediately. After 19 years it seems more like an "I'll take you down" act of vengeance than an effort to seek justice or prevent further victims.

Its understandable if they don't go to the police. But if there's no contemporaneous corroboration, you can't give it credibility (to the extent of taking one's job), no matter how sincere they sound 10 or 20 or 30 years later.

Dont disagree, as a stand alone. But two women? Never met each other? 4 years difference and 3000 miles apart, gonna cook this up together about a Lt Governor?!? Or are they both right wing political hit jobs? Well, the Cali Prof met this guy at the losers convention in '04. Both activists, both dedicated progs.

Not saying I simply buy this out of hand, but it begs the question- what on earth do either of these two women stand to gain from this?

AND, the Duke accuser says there are Facebook and conversations with friends that took place.

I think he's in far more jeopardy than either of the two blackface hoodies, but that's open for degree-ness. He's on the hook for a couple felony's or more.

And, no. I'm not celebrating this, I live here and Richmond has had a pretty terrible run of so called "public servants".
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The 2nd one claims to have contemporaneous corroboration.

But as far as multiple accusers, there is such a thing as piling on. Some people want publicity. I wouldn't be surprised if half of the people accusing Bill Cosby just made it up (still leaves 30 or 40). The one who was older than Kavanaugh and claimed she repeatedly went to high school "rape parties" when she was college age and hired the scumbag lawyer clearly wanted publicity and clearly was nuts.
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(02-09-2019 03:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  The 2nd one claims to have contemporaneous corroboration.

But as far as multiple accusers, there is such a thing as piling on. Some people want publicity. I wouldn't be surprised if half of the people accusing Bill Cosby just made it up (still leaves 30 or 40). The one who was older than Kavanaugh and claimed she repeatedly went to high school "rape parties" when she was college age and hired the scumbag lawyer clearly wanted publicity and clearly was nuts.

Agree, but they didn't just want publicity, they clearly had an agenda to start. Thinking if I'm the one to take down the Debil Kavanaugh, I'll be writing books and be toasted at parties from Malibu to the Hamptons.

What's in it for these two? The one, anyway, was a fellow traveler. They met at the losers convention afterall and were supposedly exchanging some docs before he forced her to, you know.

I just don't get the motivation here. He could well be as innocent as a new born baby (at least the ones Northam allows to live) and I'll wait and see. I just don't know what publicity either of these two are possibly seeking?
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(02-09-2019 03:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  The 2nd one claims to have contemporaneous corroboration.

But as far as multiple accusers, there is such a thing as piling on. Some people want publicity. I wouldn't be surprised if half of the people accusing Bill Cosby just made it up (still leaves 30 or 40). The one who was older than Kavanaugh and claimed she repeatedly went to high school "rape parties" when she was college age and hired the scumbag lawyer clearly wanted publicity and clearly was nuts.

Agree, but they didn't just want publicity, they clearly had an agenda to start. Thinking if I'm the one to take down the Debil Kavanaugh, I'll be writing books and be toasted at parties from Malibu to the Hamptons.

What's in it for these two? The one, anyway, was a fellow traveler. They met at the losers convention afterall and were supposedly exchanging some docs before he forced her to, you know.

I just don't get the motivation here. He could well be as innocent as a new born baby (at least the ones Northam allows to live) and I'll wait and see. I just don't know what publicity either of these two are possibly seeking?

I don't have any reason to think either of these want attention. I'm just saying there are people like that. And there have been women who were dumped who made stuff up for revenge. Not all of those were unemployed or hookers. Some people in professional jobs have mental issues. See the last 3 unsuccessful Democratic presidential candidates and about a dozen running in 2020.04-cheers
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(02-08-2019 11:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-08-2019 11:12 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Judge Kavanaugh deserved due process when allegations were made against him, and so does Lt Gov Fairfax. While the accusers in both cases are vastly different, PRINCIPLE, to me, demands more to completely ruin a person's career. Let's see where the investigations of these allegations lead and make an informed decision when more information is available.

Exactly. No rush to judgement is appropriate in either, or any, case.

I choose this door, Monte........and I don’t like this notion of waiting 15/20/25/30 years to have been so violated, yet keeping quiet until now.
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The similarities (I'm just focusing on Kavanaugh's 1st two accusers because as others have said, the ones after that were completely bogus in my mind).

First, both initial accusers are now California professors (Dr. Ford at Stanford, Dr. Tyson at Scripps College). Aren't they also being represented by the same legal teams?

The second accusations both allegedly happened in college - and kind of elite academic institutions at that (Yale and Duke, respectively). And while the Yale accusation didn't get the same attention as Ford, I always felt it was highly credible. There was clearly evidence that Kavanaugh and Ramirez were more than casual acquaintances (they were in the same wedding party a few years after college and had to be physically restrained from each other because they wouldn't talk to each other - I had documented that in one of the Kavanaugh threads a few months back).

Third, while I agree that you need to investigate and not come to conclusions too quickly, both of the men being accused appear to be similar to me in that personalities - aggressive in their denials and rather profane in their public statements too (someone mentioned bleep the ***** by Fairfax, well Kavanaugh was pretty clearly filmed to mouth the word ***** about Hillary when he was part of the legal team trying to impeach (or indict?) President Bill Clinton. Both gentlemen seem misogynistic to me. At the very least, they aren't afraid to say what they want.

The big difference is that I believe ultimately, Fairfax will resign his current position as he doesn't have his political party behind him protecting his reputation. Wortham is probably in danger of losing his job as well. The Herring guy is safe - he's the one of the 3 who has shown true remorse and seems to have a much greater group of people behind him who are willing to keep him on the job.

Actually another big difference between Kavanaugh and Fairfax is that the 2nd allegation is much more serious for Fairfax. Rape vs I guess exposing himself in front of some college women when you're pretty wasted (and most everyone there is as well)? The second accuser for Fairfax is now also saying she was raped by a Duke basketball player.
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(02-09-2019 07:32 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The similarities (I'm just focusing on Kavanaugh's 1st two accusers because as others have said, the ones after that were completely bogus in my mind).

First, both initial accusers are now California professors (Dr. Ford at Stanford, Dr. Tyson at Scripps College). Aren't they also being represented by the same legal teams?
Ford is actually at Palo Alto College in a program that has a collaboration with Stanford.

The second accusations both allegedly happened in college - and kind of elite academic institutions at that (Yale and Duke, respectively). And while the Yale accusation didn't get the same attention as Ford, I always felt it was highly credible. There was clearly evidence that Kavanaugh and Ramirez were more than casual acquaintances (they were in the same wedding party a few years after college and had to be physically restrained from each other because they wouldn't talk to each other - I had documented that in one of the Kavanaugh threads a few months back).

This is either random twitter speculation or your own speculation. They were at the same wedding and she may have avoided him. That's all that's in the articles I've seen, including Vanity Fair, which would have said anything inflammatory. Ramirez had to call around all her friends to try to get corroboration and nobody else remembered it. After a week with a Democratic lawyer (offering protection against libel?) she decided it was Kavanaugh. Reality is that she wasn't even sure it was real as she was actually blacked out. Unlike Ford, she didn't make the mistake of naming people at the party so she could be proven a liar. Both of the accusations against the Lt Gov are very specific, not fuzzy.


Third, while I agree that you need to investigate and not come to conclusions too quickly, both of the men being accused appear to be similar to me in that personalities - aggressive in their denials and rather profane in their public statements too (someone mentioned bleep the ***** by Fairfax, well Kavanaugh was pretty clearly filmed to mouth the word ***** about Hillary when he was part of the legal team trying to impeach (or indict?) President Bill Clinton. Both gentlemen seem misogynistic to me. At the very least, they aren't afraid to say what they want.
I don't think there is any evidence of that of either of them outside of the accusations and the one comment by the VA Lt. Gov.


The big difference is that I believe ultimately, Fairfax will resign his current position as he doesn't have his political party behind him protecting his reputation. Wortham is probably in danger of losing his job as well. The Herring guy is safe - he's the one of the 3 who has shown true remorse and seems to have a much greater group of people behind him who are willing to keep him on the job.

Actually another big difference between Kavanaugh and Fairfax is that the 2nd allegation is much more serious for Fairfax. Rape vs I guess exposing himself in front of some college women when you're pretty wasted (and most everyone there is as well)? The second accuser for Fairfax is now also saying she was raped by a Duke basketball player.

We'll see if the 2nd accuser really has backup and keeps her story consistent, unlike Ford's which constantly changed.
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(02-09-2019 07:32 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The similarities (I'm just focusing on Kavanaugh's 1st two accusers because as others have said, the ones after that were completely bogus in my mind).

First, both initial accusers are now California professors (Dr. Ford at Stanford, Dr. Tyson at Scripps College). Aren't they also being represented by the same legal teams?

The second accusations both allegedly happened in college - and kind of elite academic institutions at that (Yale and Duke, respectively). And while the Yale accusation didn't get the same attention as Ford, I always felt it was highly credible. There was clearly evidence that Kavanaugh and Ramirez were more than casual acquaintances (they were in the same wedding party a few years after college and had to be physically restrained from each other because they wouldn't talk to each other - I had documented that in one of the Kavanaugh threads a few months back).

Third, while I agree that you need to investigate and not come to conclusions too quickly, both of the men being accused appear to be similar to me in that personalities - aggressive in their denials and rather profane in their public statements too (someone mentioned bleep the ***** by Fairfax, well Kavanaugh was pretty clearly filmed to mouth the word ***** about Hillary when he was part of the legal team trying to impeach (or indict?) President Bill Clinton. Both gentlemen seem misogynistic to me. At the very least, they aren't afraid to say what they want.

The big difference is that I believe ultimately, Fairfax will resign his current position as he doesn't have his political party behind him protecting his reputation. Wortham is probably in danger of losing his job as well. The Herring guy is safe - he's the one of the 3 who has shown true remorse and seems to have a much greater group of people behind him who are willing to keep him on the job.

Actually another big difference between Kavanaugh and Fairfax is that the 2nd allegation is much more serious for Fairfax. Rape vs I guess exposing himself in front of some college women when you're pretty wasted (and most everyone there is as well)? The second accuser for Fairfax is now also saying she was raped by a Duke basketball player.


Uhhhh, so they are credible because they’re college professors? That’s it?


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There are no similarities between Kavanaugh and this Fairfax prick.

First, Kavanaugh was denied due process, while democrats abused process by holding a story and only releasing when they were going to lose as a last ditch effort to blow up the nomination. There was NOTHING about this assault that Ford documented prior to the Kavanaugh nomination. Also, Ford and her minions of idiots, were all of the opposite party and therefore had a vested interest in derailing the nomination, a valid motive for a false accusation. We also know now, after the investigations, that she was full of sh*t. As for Resnic and her prick attorney, same deal, except they have been referred to DOJ for lying.

On the other hand, the Fairfax accusers, as well as that of Keith Ellison, have been well documented PRIOR to any of this happening. Their accusers have been denied due process. Fairfax hasnt been denied due process, his supporters simply swept it under the rug. Same for Ellison.
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(02-09-2019 07:32 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The similarities (I'm just focusing on Kavanaugh's 1st two accusers because as others have said, the ones after that were completely bogus in my mind).

First, both initial accusers are now California professors (Dr. Ford at Stanford, Dr. Tyson at Scripps College). Aren't they also being represented by the same legal teams?

The second accusations both allegedly happened in college - and kind of elite academic institutions at that (Yale and Duke, respectively). And while the Yale accusation didn't get the same attention as Ford, I always felt it was highly credible. There was clearly evidence that Kavanaugh and Ramirez were more than casual acquaintances (they were in the same wedding party a few years after college and had to be physically restrained from each other because they wouldn't talk to each other - I had documented that in one of the Kavanaugh threads a few months back).

Third, while I agree that you need to investigate and not come to conclusions too quickly, both of the men being accused appear to be similar to me in that personalities - aggressive in their denials and rather profane in their public statements too (someone mentioned bleep the ***** by Fairfax, well Kavanaugh was pretty clearly filmed to mouth the word ***** about Hillary when he was part of the legal team trying to impeach (or indict?) President Bill Clinton. Both gentlemen seem misogynistic to me. At the very least, they aren't afraid to say what they want.

The big difference is that I believe ultimately, Fairfax will resign his current position as he doesn't have his political party behind him protecting his reputation. Wortham is probably in danger of losing his job as well. The Herring guy is safe - he's the one of the 3 who has shown true remorse and seems to have a much greater group of people behind him who are willing to keep him on the job.

Actually another big difference between Kavanaugh and Fairfax is that the 2nd allegation is much more serious for Fairfax. Rape vs I guess exposing himself in front of some college women when you're pretty wasted (and most everyone there is as well)? The second accuser for Fairfax is now also saying she was raped by a Duke basketball player.


Ford lied about many things, her fear of flying and why she had 2 front doors for starters. If she isn’t credible on small things, she probably isn’t on others, also all 4 of her witnesses bailed on her.


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Why is it that the two men who wore blackface can keep their jobs, but the man whose face is black had to go.

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