(02-09-2019 01:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:26 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Remember...the mighty coach K went 11-14 in his first coaching job at Army and was only 17-13 in his first year at Duke.

That is the reason he was at army. He needed to learn and prove himself

By your logic, he won't become a good coach until he goes somewhere else...gotcha

(02-09-2019 08:50 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 08:26 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I’m not the least concerned about our coaching staff’s ability to get us there.
I am, however, afraid that our instant gratification fans might not give our coaches the time they legitimately need to get us there.
Good things take time.

Boom! Best post in many months. +3

They can shut this thread down now.

FACTS:

(02-09-2019 03:44 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 01:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:26 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Remember...the mighty coach K went 11-14 in his first coaching job at Army and was only 17-13 in his first year at Duke.

That is the reason he was at army. He needed to learn and prove himself

By your logic, he won't become a good coach until he goes somewhere else...gotcha

Lol...Where do you get that from what I wrote.

My point is if you need to learn you learn at a lesser job...The rookie deal is no excuse because he didn't take a rookie level job.

But lack of Talent is definitely a valid REASON for his performance this year and should be considered with any evaluation of his current time here. You cant expect a coach to take a team with 0 top 100 players and automatically turn them around.

For the Tubby defenders I know he didn't inherit great talent but he also was bringing in less talent than he inherited therefore if could be reasonably assumed that he wasn't going to improve greatly.

Wait a minute. We're now making excuses for Penny's coaching shortcomings by reminding everyone that he's a rookie college?

That was obvious when everyone was rushing to hire him. He is literally the least experience men's basketball coach at Memphis in at least 50 years.

(02-09-2019 08:39 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Wait a minute. We're now making excuses for Penny's coaching shortcomings by reminding everyone that he's a rookie college?

That was obvious when everyone was rushing to hire him. He is literally the least experience men's basketball coach at Memphis in at least 50 years.

Absurd. If you do drugs stop, if you don't start.

(02-09-2019 08:57 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 08:39 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Wait a minute. We're now making excuses for Penny's coaching shortcomings by reminding everyone that he's a rookie college?

That was obvious when everyone was rushing to hire him. He is literally the least experience men's basketball coach at Memphis in at least 50 years.

Absurd. If you do drugs stop, if you don't start.

Name a Memphis Tigers men's basketball head coach in the last 50 years who was hired with less experience than Penny.

I'll make it easy for you. The HC's during those years are as follows:

Moe Iba
Gene Bartow
Wayne Yates
Dana Kirk
Larry Finch
Tic Price
Johnny Jones
John Calipari
Josh Pastner
Tubby Smith
Penny Hardaway

(02-09-2019 08:57 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 08:39 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Wait a minute. We're now making excuses for Penny's coaching shortcomings by reminding everyone that he's a rookie college?

That was obvious when everyone was rushing to hire him. He is literally the least experience men's basketball coach at Memphis in at least 50 years.

Absurd. If you do drugs stop, if you don't start.

(02-09-2019 01:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:26 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Remember...the mighty coach K went 11-14 in his first coaching job at Army and was only 17-13 in his first year at Duke.

That is the reason he was at army. He needed to learn and prove himself

Memphis East would beat Army in basketball. just saying

(02-09-2019 10:53 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 01:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:26 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Remember...the mighty coach K went 11-14 in his first coaching job at Army and was only 17-13 in his first year at Duke.

That is the reason he was at army. He needed to learn and prove himself

Memphis East would beat Army in basketball. just saying

Likely true when Penny was there...

Having all that talent proves you can relate to, recruit and manage high level players.

But it also shielded Penny from how hard it is to compete when the talent level is equal.

(02-09-2019 09:16 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 05:25 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 04:45 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  Penny is a fantastic coach and has made less mistakes than any first year coach we have ever had.

What about Larry’s first season? Of course he had great talent on that team. Penny has a real good player (Martin) and several complimentary players, some of which are very good complimentary players. We don’t have any great players and certainly no superstars currently on the team.

We’ve been close to winning several games against good competition. When our talent level goes up, we will start winning big games. Our talent level is poor due to Pastner and certainly Tubby, and that’s why they aren’t here anymore.

Penny will succeed!

Finch's first team was in auto drive. They were so well coached by Kirk and staff that Finch didn't need to do much that season..but keep it going.

What???

So the Metro Conference just "gave" Larry the coach of the year award in 1987 over the likes of Denny Crum (defending national championship coach in 1986), MK Turk, Pat Kennedy, etc. etc.?

Keep it going? Keep what going? Scandal, probation, jail time, 0% graduation rate?

Larry had to completely change the culture (and did).

I am not knocking Dana Kirk. He was a winner. His methods could be questioned.

But don't sell Larry short. People are quick to point out his shortcomings but not give proper credit. Can't have it both ways.

(02-11-2019 09:47 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 09:16 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 05:25 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 04:45 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  Penny is a fantastic coach and has made less mistakes than any first year coach we have ever had.

What about Larry’s first season? Of course he had great talent on that team. Penny has a real good player (Martin) and several complimentary players, some of which are very good complimentary players. We don’t have any great players and certainly no superstars currently on the team.

We’ve been close to winning several games against good competition. When our talent level goes up, we will start winning big games. Our talent level is poor due to Pastner and certainly Tubby, and that’s why they aren’t here anymore.

Penny will succeed!

Finch's first team was in auto drive. They were so well coached by Kirk and staff that Finch didn't need to do much that season..but keep it going.

What???

So the Metro Conference just "gave" Larry the coach of the year award in 1987 over the likes of Denny Crum (defending national championship coach in 1986), MK Turk, Pat Kennedy, etc. etc.?

Keep it going? Keep what going? Scandal, probation, jail time, 0% graduation rate?

Larry had to completely change the culture (and did).

I am not knocking Dana Kirk. He was a winner. His methods could be questioned.

But don't sell Larry short. People are quick to point out his shortcomings but not give proper credit. Can't have it both ways.

Not that I am disputing or agreeing with anything you are saying but...

throw that coach of the year crap right out of the window, that means absolutely nothing....

the year before we hired the Tub----- coach of the year
the year after we fired Pastner---- coach of the year in the ACC.

carry on.

(02-09-2019 09:05 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 08:57 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 08:39 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Wait a minute. We're now making excuses for Penny's coaching shortcomings by reminding everyone that he's a rookie college?

That was obvious when everyone was rushing to hire him. He is literally the least experience men's basketball coach at Memphis in at least 50 years.

Absurd. If you do drugs stop, if you don't start.

Name a Memphis Tigers men's basketball head coach in the last 50 years who was hired with less experience than Penny.

I'll make it easy for you. The HC's during those years are as follows:

Moe Iba
Gene Bartow
Wayne Yates
Dana Kirk
Larry Finch
Tic Price
Johnny Jones
John Calipari
Josh Pastner
Tubby Smith
Penny Hardaway

that did make it much easier thank you. Josh Pastner

(02-11-2019 01:14 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 09:05 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 08:57 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 08:39 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Wait a minute. We're now making excuses for Penny's coaching shortcomings by reminding everyone that he's a rookie college?

That was obvious when everyone was rushing to hire him. He is literally the least experience men's basketball coach at Memphis in at least 50 years.

Absurd. If you do drugs stop, if you don't start.

Name a Memphis Tigers men's basketball head coach in the last 50 years who was hired with less experience than Penny.

I'll make it easy for you. The HC's during those years are as follows:

Moe Iba
Gene Bartow
Wayne Yates
Dana Kirk
Larry Finch
Tic Price
Johnny Jones
John Calipari
Josh Pastner
Tubby Smith
Penny Hardaway

that did make it much easier thank you. Josh Pastner

Josh Pastner had 9 years assistant coaching experience at the collegiate level under Lute Olson and John Calipari.

Penny had zero games as an assistant coach at the collegiate level.

Penny is the least experienced head coach in Memphis Tigers men's basketball history.

(02-11-2019 08:04 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 01:14 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 09:05 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 08:57 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 08:39 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Wait a minute. We're now making excuses for Penny's coaching shortcomings by reminding everyone that he's a rookie college?

That was obvious when everyone was rushing to hire him. He is literally the least experience men's basketball coach at Memphis in at least 50 years.

Absurd. If you do drugs stop, if you don't start.

Name a Memphis Tigers men's basketball head coach in the last 50 years who was hired with less experience than Penny.

I'll make it easy for you. The HC's during those years are as follows:

Moe Iba
Gene Bartow
Wayne Yates
Dana Kirk
Larry Finch
Tic Price
Johnny Jones
John Calipari
Josh Pastner
Tubby Smith
Penny Hardaway

that did make it much easier thank you. Josh Pastner

Josh Pastner had 9 years assistant coaching experience at the collegiate level under Lute Olson and John Calipari.

Penny had zero games as an assistant coach at the collegiate level.

Penny is the least experienced head coach in Memphis Tigers men's basketball history.

Or you can say he has more head coaching experience than several of the other Tiger coaches.

(02-11-2019 08:04 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 01:14 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 09:05 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 08:57 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 08:39 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Wait a minute. We're now making excuses for Penny's coaching shortcomings by reminding everyone that he's a rookie college?

That was obvious when everyone was rushing to hire him. He is literally the least experience men's basketball coach at Memphis in at least 50 years.

Absurd. If you do drugs stop, if you don't start.

Name a Memphis Tigers men's basketball head coach in the last 50 years who was hired with less experience than Penny.

I'll make it easy for you. The HC's during those years are as follows:

Moe Iba
Gene Bartow
Wayne Yates
Dana Kirk
Larry Finch
Tic Price
Johnny Jones
John Calipari
Josh Pastner
Tubby Smith
Penny Hardaway

that did make it much easier thank you. Josh Pastner

Josh Pastner had 9 years assistant coaching experience at the collegiate level under Lute Olson and John Calipari.

Penny had zero games as an assistant coach at the collegiate level.

Penny is the least experienced head coach in Memphis Tigers men's basketball history.

And probably gonna be the best by time his finished.

I would like to point out that I saw that not only did Penny only play Lomax for 7 minutes in the UConn game, he did not play him in crunch time when we were fighting to maintain the lead. For that, I will say that I was wrong about him playing favorites. Just took some time to see where Lomax was.

(02-11-2019 08:45 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 08:04 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 01:14 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 09:05 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 08:57 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  Absurd. If you do drugs stop, if you don't start.

Name a Memphis Tigers men's basketball head coach in the last 50 years who was hired with less experience than Penny.

I'll make it easy for you. The HC's during those years are as follows:

Moe Iba
Gene Bartow
Wayne Yates
Dana Kirk
Larry Finch
Tic Price
Johnny Jones
John Calipari
Josh Pastner
Tubby Smith
Penny Hardaway

that did make it much easier thank you. Josh Pastner

Josh Pastner had 9 years assistant coaching experience at the collegiate level under Lute Olson and John Calipari.

Penny had zero games as an assistant coach at the collegiate level.

Penny is the least experienced head coach in Memphis Tigers men's basketball history.

Or you can say he has more head coaching experience than several of the other Tiger coaches.

If you're going to compare AAU, middle school, and high school to D1 college ball, then you need to stop posting immediately. That is a completely ignorant stance.

(02-11-2019 09:19 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 08:04 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 01:14 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 09:05 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 08:57 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  Absurd. If you do drugs stop, if you don't start.

Name a Memphis Tigers men's basketball head coach in the last 50 years who was hired with less experience than Penny.

I'll make it easy for you. The HC's during those years are as follows:

Moe Iba
Gene Bartow
Wayne Yates
Dana Kirk
Larry Finch
Tic Price
Johnny Jones
John Calipari
Josh Pastner
Tubby Smith
Penny Hardaway

that did make it much easier thank you. Josh Pastner

Josh Pastner had 9 years assistant coaching experience at the collegiate level under Lute Olson and John Calipari.

Penny had zero games as an assistant coach at the collegiate level.

Penny is the least experienced head coach in Memphis Tigers men's basketball history.

And probably gonna be the best by time his finished.

Based on early results, I'd be surprised if he was Pastner good.

(02-12-2019 08:59 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 09:19 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 08:04 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 01:14 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 09:05 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Name a Memphis Tigers men's basketball head coach in the last 50 years who was hired with less experience than Penny.

I'll make it easy for you. The HC's during those years are as follows:

Moe Iba
Gene Bartow
Wayne Yates
Dana Kirk
Larry Finch
Tic Price
Johnny Jones
John Calipari
Josh Pastner
Tubby Smith
Penny Hardaway

that did make it much easier thank you. Josh Pastner

Josh Pastner had 9 years assistant coaching experience at the collegiate level under Lute Olson and John Calipari.

Penny had zero games as an assistant coach at the collegiate level.

Penny is the least experienced head coach in Memphis Tigers men's basketball history.

And probably gonna be the best by time his finished.

Based on early results, I'd be surprised if he was Pastner good.

Do you actually watch the games?
Penny has made more changes in order to win right now than Pastner ever did. Pastner was the most insecure HC in Tiger history. Penny is willing to delegate and learn. The players will respect and listen to Penny instead of rolling their eyes at Pastner. The way Pasnter talked to the players made my stomach turn.
Just remember the season is not over and I'd be surprised to see you post again.

(02-12-2019 08:59 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 09:19 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 08:04 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 01:14 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 09:05 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Name a Memphis Tigers men's basketball head coach in the last 50 years who was hired with less experience than Penny.

I'll make it easy for you. The HC's during those years are as follows:

Moe Iba
Gene Bartow
Wayne Yates
Dana Kirk
Larry Finch
Tic Price
Johnny Jones
John Calipari
Josh Pastner
Tubby Smith
Penny Hardaway

that did make it much easier thank you. Josh Pastner

Josh Pastner had 9 years assistant coaching experience at the collegiate level under Lute Olson and John Calipari.

Penny had zero games as an assistant coach at the collegiate level.

Penny is the least experienced head coach in Memphis Tigers men's basketball history.

And probably gonna be the best by time his finished.

Based on early results, I'd be surprised if he was Pastner good.

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